Anyone tried the Mobile Athlon 64 4000+

I was wondering if anyone has tried the new mobile athlon 64 4000+ on any of the M68xx series. I know its based on 90 nm production and has a lover voltage requirement but I haven't been able to find the right info on the actual amps or wattage it uses and I don't know if the mobo will handle the 2.6 Ghz clock speed, so I was wondering if anyone has tried it yet.

 

The wattage specs for the 64 4000+ is (62w)
The wattage specs for the 64 3200+, 3400+, and 3700+ DTR chips is (89w).
You will have a cooler running chip but you might run into problems with the voltage requirement that would probably fry the 4000+. Your real problem is going to be the bios as I don't think the latest revision isn't for anything beyond the 64 3700+ DTR chip.



Mobile Athlon 64 4000+ specs
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_10220_10221^10269,00.html

 

Ok, I've been searching for some more info on this also and I read on another forum a guy tried it but the computer didn't boot. But I also found that the Gateway MX7515 has the athlon 64 4000+ but has a ATI X600 with 128mb instead of the raedon 9600 64mb and was wondering if I coud get ahold of the bios for that board and flash my m6805 to that so a 4000+ would work?

 

for bios to work it must be compatible with the mb you are flashing otherwise you would completely ruin your machine. if you know the chipset of your notebook's mb, specifically noting its cpu socket type, fsb, L1/L2 cache capacity, cpu volt capacity, type of ram socket, and its maximum ram capacity youcould theoretically upgrade to the maximum level possible without any need for a bios upgrade. i say theoretically, because there may be other factors that may prevent a machine from booting properly notwitstanding that the upgrade is within the acceptable limits. one of the major factors is heat generation. the athlon 64 though a real powerhouse is known as also an immense kinetic energy (heat) producer. that is why it never really caught fire among laptop manufacturers. the turion 64 is the real AMD answer to serious notebook power use.

try to download the free bios agent at http://www.unicore.com/biosagent/

this small utility will help identify your motherboard, its theoretical max. cpu and ram capacity. you can then send the info to them and they'll give you a call or send you an email if they have a bios update for your mb. you can also clear out certain questions and clarify things before you do a purchase.

 

i have tried the 4000+ (in two 68xx machines). it will not boot with the emachines BIOS, but it WILL boot with the gateway bios, the ns0005 version.

http://emachines.fizi.ca/bios.php

however, that bios and the cpu are problematic. there is a bug in the ns series bios' that does not allow the battery to be monitored correctly. also, the 4000+ cpu has some type of hardware interrupt issue as the system process sits at about 50% constantly. if i leave the machine exactly the same and put the 3000+ back in, it is fine...

i have contacted these folks (as noted above):

http://www.esupport.com/biosupgrades/

to see if they can upgrade the emachines bios to support the faster cpu. if so, i will post what i find here.

 

hi, I want to install 4000+ on another machine (acer aspire 1501lmi) and I want to ask you something:
Wich chipset do the motherboard of your notebook have?
Did you flashed a bios from another machine to your one? Do they have the same mobo and components?
wich bios do you have? (mine is phoenix)

I'd want to extract from one bios that supports the 4000+ the part regarding cpu support and import it in my bios...(phoenix has an editor to make modifications of the bios modules...)

thanks,
regards

 

hlfritz,
Very interested in your findings. I should have checked here first before I bought my 4000+. I too tried it on my M6809 and it won't boot.
Any one want to buy a cheap practically new 4000+ chip to build a fast and highly overclockable desktop machine?

 

bvinh,
I want to take up your offer on that Mobile 4000+

 

i got this working!

i have a business relationship with Arima via my work...and cajoled enough to get an updated bios from them. this laptop i am typing from right now has the 4000+ installed with the new version of the bios. works great! cpu at idle shows as it should...whole thing works great so far. it does disply the cpu as 2400MHz in the splash screen, but windows shows it as 2.61GHz and cpuspeed and sandra show it at 2583 MHz and 2.61 GHz respectively. It properly drops to 800 MHz when off battery.

i will contact the guy that has the eMachines resource portal and send him the bios. of course you need to flash the bios before you upgrade the cpu...

bvinh - don't sell your chip!

 

hlfritz,
Great news! I PM'd you for the BIOS as well. I can't wait to try this out.
jzacki, sorry I have to at least give this a try before I let it go. I'll let you know.
Thanks for this great forum.

 

Thanks to hlfritz,
My eMachine is now running the 4000+ chip.
I can't tell you all how thankful I'm for hlfritz and this forum.
Take care,

 

Sweet, I'm glad to hear that. So you got the bios, because I know emachines no longer even shows notebooks on their site, how can I get the updated ones.

 

would u be kind enough to state exactly what this bios version does besides allowing the m68xx to support larger CPU? does it support replacing the Athlon A64 with a Turion? appreciate ur feedback

cheers ...

 

as far as i know, the only change is allowing the 4000+.

could absolutely not tell you if the notebook could run a Turion. i think the 4000+ is faster than any Turion's anyway? also you would need to see if the core voltage is the same between the athlon 64 mobile cpus and Turions.

the bios is posted at emachines resource portal. you may want to hold off a couple of days - i got a 0F08P02E version that will report the cpu speed correctly (it showed wrong in post - ran at right speed though).

http://emachines.fizi.ca/index.php

 

agreed!

wow, already a new one? i currently use 0F0 9.P00 from Actebis on my m6805. It has totally improved 3D apps and in combination with AMD1.3.1 processor driver, i can pull full throttle even on battery w/o messing with power scheme.

thx for the feedback

cheers ...

 

I ve got a targa Visionary 811A with the last arima bios 0F08.P02E
and I tried to update my athlon mobile 3000+ proc by an athlon mobile 4000 (newark amn4000BKX5BU) without success.
Nothing on screen and a strange sound (sort of scrath) on boot. Roll back with the old cpu works.
Any idea ?

 

check it out, runs wonderfully...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=190079

13x215.6 with clockgen, will do more....

laterzzzz....LOL

 

Who sells the mobile 4000+ at this late of date? Is there another upgrade chip I can plug into my m6805? What socket does the M6805 use?

 

here ya go,

http://cgi.ebay.com/MOBILE-AMD-ATHL...ageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m118

i paid about the same a few months back, they are getting very hard to find.

great processor, end of the line, most do 3gig+ in a desktop, rippin' 754 processor. just about as good as any 939 or AM2 single core, trust me.

go for it.

laterz......