XOTIC PC prices are insane!

I was taking a look at XOTIC PC prices for certain components when configuring a system and a few things I noticed.....

1) They are using yesterware hardware like the 800GB Intel Fultondale 10 DC P3700 instead of offering the Intel 730 PCIe SSD which most other custom PC builders are offering

2) They are charging $2499 for the 800GB Intel Fultondale 10 DC P3700 when Amazon is selling it for $1817

3) Rather than offering the best SSDs in the storage options, they are only offering the crappy 840 EVOs which are known to have slow down issues and yet, charging 30% more than what they sell for.

I understand they need to make money as a company, but this is like raping the customers

I like the flexibility and options they have when it comes to overclocking the systems and stability tests and OS choices but this has been stopping me to ever think of buying a desktop or laptop from them.

The SSD I mentioned in point 2 is just one example but every single component with the exception of graphics card is super over priced.

@Hutsady@XoticPC

 

And that's why you build a PC yourself. More part options and cheaper.

 

Another vote for building desktop yourself

 

You're slamming XOTIC when you have an Alienware logo for your avatar?

While I agree its expensive, they're a boutique shop and I haven't known any of those builders to be cheap... Falcon Northwest comes to mind...

 

We do try to stay as competitive as we can with pricing. Unfortunately due to forum rules we can not talk about pricing but.
Samsung 850 Evo's should be available, I will ask our web developers to get them added to the desktop builds.

If you do have concerns about certain upgrades options and pricing, feel free to PM me.

 

LOL, you have a point there

 

1. Build desktop yourself
2. ???
3. Profit!

 

They are a business. If they sold you components at cost, there would be no money to be made. If the amount of money is too much for you, just buy the component yourself and install it yourself. Everybody stays happy.

 

Don't they buy directly from supplier? I don't think they buy parts like "ordinary" people, a.k.a. through shops.

 

It's hard to be a PC boutique nowadays. They have to make a profit somewhere somehow to pay others, keep inventory and pay bills. Any "enthusiast" know this and builds their own PC anyway. I can't tell you the last time I've looked at a boutiques website for desktops. The only reason I've seen xoticpcs or Alienware website in the last 5 years for a laptop.

 

Boutique builders don't have much volume. Some of the rare options would actually have to be brought through retail channels and even with the common ones there isn't enough quantity to keep the price down.

 

Several employees and overhead. You'd have to sell thousands of pc's a month to get any sort of profit especially with end users looking at newegg and Amazon for prices. Any enthusiasts isn't going to buy a $75 basic board for a highness PC. Look at Alienware desktops, very basic no thrills motherboards, generally the cheapest to middle of the road components at best the slap a killer case around it to hide the mediocre components. Then now you have a profit margin to work with. That and selling to general public that knows nothing about a $50 motherboard or a $300 motherboard...

 

Yep and unfortunately the stigma from Alienware desktops spillover to the laptop side.

 

The stigma is well-deserved with the current generation of AW laptops

 

Current gen yes, but AW has always had a bit of a rep even before the current BGA jokebooks.

 

BGA Jokebooks???! LOL Class! rep added

 

I think I may have plagiarized Mr. Fox on that one

Or did he coin the term junkbook LOL

 

both terms can very nicely describe the new alienwares. Even more sad was that i was considering to get an alienware until i discovered it was all bga locked-down and then there were no older 17 or 18s being sold and i had to buy the msi gt72. The gt72 seems to be the spiritual successor to the well known m17x's with a lot of design homages to the m17x's

 

Since XOTIC PC still didn't add the Intel 750 PCIe SSD to their configuration and are charging an arm and a leg for an ancient PCIe SSD. I went ahead and ordered an Origin PC for 9000 USD. That's the business you lost XOTIC PC for your laziness.

@Hutsady@XoticPC

 

Ouch, that's harsh.

Not as harsh as the hole in your wallet though.

 

It's a birthday gift bro.

As for XOTIC PC, you know what they say, you snooze, you lose.....I created this thread a while back and was promised that they will inform the web team to update their invetory.....every boutique PC manufacturer has the Intel 750 PCIe SSD including HIDevolution, Origin PC, Digital Storm, etc.

But it seems like XOTIC PC is trying to get rid of their old stock that's why they didn't change their component inventory yet as we still see the ancient 840 EVO rather than the 850 EVO and that dinosaur PCIe SSD they are selling for triple its online retail price! heh

 

A birthday gift fit for a Sheikh...

I'm guessing whoever bought you this doesn't know much about computers.

 

no it's my wife, she wanted me to have my dream machine so there it is

 

For 10 grand nothing less than a 5960X and quad-SLI 980 Ti would've satisfied me.

Replace "Xotic" in thread title with "Origin".

 

Dude Origin is a lot more overpriced than XoticPC is. Just eyeballing the specs in your sig, if you built that yourself it would probably cost around $6000 if even that. Unless it comes with an awesome liquid cooling system I still don't see how the $9000 price tag is justified.

 

Thats a great looking rig in your sig, congrats! Definately let us know how it is once you get it. I'll mention this to our web guys.

Edit: We did get the 850's up there as you OP pointed out. Working on updating the PCIe SSD options.

 

Which as I pointed out makes the thread title so ironic

Way to stay classy, man

 

Not if you include the extra bells and whistles that are not in my sig.

1) The case has a modular hot swap bay where it has 5 drawers, you can slide one drawer and insert an HDD or SSD in there and have it attached to the system on the fly so this expands the storage capability beyond the normal ports availale on the motherboard.

2) I ordered the 1.5 Kilowatt Corsair AX1500i + 3D Wireless nVIDIA Glasses + Controlled Multi-Colored LED + ORIGIN High-Performance Ultra Silent Fans - Black + ORIGIN FROSTBYTE 360 Sealed Liquid Cooling System for 2011 Socket+ GELID GC-Extreme CPU Application + 2x 16X Blu-ray Burner + 40-in-1 Media Card Reader + ASUS USB-AC56 Dual-band Wireless-AC1300 USB 3.0 + Logitech C920 HD Pro WebCam

So maybe this is what added a lot more to the price, but comparing to XOTIC PC, the prices were actually a bit more expensive on XOTIC PC as they charge more for RAM upgrades, HDD/SSDs than Origin does

 

1) The 5960X in games barely beats the 5930K as the clock speed per core is lower unless you get lucky to get a crazy overclocker so the 5930K gives me a better bang for the buck and also has 40 PCIe lanes

2) Scaling with more than Dual SLI makes them not worth the money, secondly, because I chose the Intel 750 PCIe SSD, it doesn't allow you to a add a 3rd Graphics card, I think because the Intel 750 PCIe also requires one of those fast PCIe ports so I had to make a compromise, I wanted that SSD so much that's actually one of the reasons I am changing from laptops to desktops to have all the latest and greatest SSDs, VGA cards, without having to change the whole system

 

Well then you your wife overspent by a huge amount, as that PC is worth much less than $9000 as @n=1 alluded to

 

I know, it's like buying a Ferrari when you can get a Skyline for 40% less that can even smoke it but hey, that's what we Alienware owners are all about, bling bling, why do you think I own an Alienware? not for the specs, it's for having that great Alienhead that now Dell has converted into a small Mouse. So Origin PC is the next Alienware.

Now to be really really really honest? the number 1 reason I went with them is their award winning case and cable management. I searched a lot but couldn't find an alternative that's exactly the same. This is my little toy and it has to look good.

 

Well it's your money. Whatever makes you happy, I guess...

 

Those aren't really what I'd call bells and whistles lol.

1. Ok so I checked out Origin's in-house designed case. The front is reminiscent of NZXT's Phantom 820, but the internals are different. The "server grade steel chassis" just seems like marketing spin, as any half-decent full tower on the market should be full steel. Aluminum is what premium cases typically use.

2. All of that together shouldn't exceed $800 if you bought them yourself. Sealed liquid cooling means they're using an AIO, but probably for the best.

Btw you should've at least bought the 750 SSD on Amazon yourself and saved $110 from Origin's upgrade price. And it's not that 5960X isn't worth it over 5930K, it's more that for a $9000 system, not even having a 5960X just doesn't feel right at all.

We're not criticizing btw, just saying that for that kind of money, you probably could've built a 5960X + 4x 980Ti system with 2x 750, and still had spare change to design your own custom waterlooping loop, had you built the system yourself.

 

Please explain to me how are you supposed to fir two Intel 750 PCIe SSDs + 4x980Tis????

And why is it that on their configurtation, once I selected the Intel 750 PCIe SSD, it only allows me to add two GPUs and not 3 or more, there must be a reason behind that, it's not like they don't want to sell your GPUs I'm sure its probably because the other PCIe ports are the ones with lower speed/bandwidth? what do you say about this?

and BTW I have seen that NZXT's Phantom 820 case they even sell it here locally in Dubai it's just not the same man. Their case is like perfection, a work of art!

They had a promotion last year or 2 ago where they were selling bare bone cases only but they stopped that

 

Why can't you? There's 40 PCIe lanes total, 32 for the 4 GPUs and 8 for the 2 SSDs.

Probably motherboard restrictions. Which you don't have to put up with if you build your own PC.

 

BTW, it's not too late to add the 5960X if I wanted they didn't start building the system yet, but is it really worth it? a tutle ass base clock speed @ 3.0 GHz and whether you get lucky with a good overclocker or not is a diff. matter. that's one of the main reasons I didn't shell out a bit more to go for it

 

I'll call their tech support soon and ask them this, if I can add more GPUs I would.

 

Which form factor are you getting the 750 SSDs in? If you're getting the PCIe add-in card version, I can see you running out of PCIe slots with too many GPUs. But that's why you get the 2.5" version and use a Hyper Kit to connect it to the M.2 slots instead.

 

PCIe lanes isn't the problem, and even if it was you can get the Asus X99-E WS board with 64 PCIe lanes. Like octiceps said it's the slot spacing restriction, since 4 way SLI with air-cooled GPUs means no more space to fit any other PCIe devices. Which of course won't be a problem if everything was watercooled, because the GPUs then become single slot cards.

Please don't lol. The 5960X comment was purely in the context of "if you had a $9000 budget, this is what you could have gotten had you chose to build it yourself"

 

ahhh that's probably why I wasn't able to select more GPUs it is the PCIe version

 

Basically this. If you're spending over 9000, everything in your PC better be Super Saiyan.

 

According to this article, the cyberpower is cheaper than retail total cost

http://www.maximumpc.com/cyberpower-pc-syber-vapor-review-2015/

A single 980Ti would hold itself in 1440p applications, 4k just isn't that viable with today's graphics cards (even a Titan).

I would suggest buying other SSDs yourself, since they will be cheaper.

You would feel minimal difference while using windows for daily tasks / gaming comparing an intel 750 with a samsung 850.

 

CyberpowerPC QC and warranty seems to be junk though. Also google Cyberpower PC horror stories and see what turns up.

Btw Matrix Leader, I pieced together your build as closely to your specs as I could, and it came out to be around $7100. https://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/ But couple things:

- can't really put a price on the case since it's their custom design
- not sure what case fans they use, but they appear cheap looking (no offense), and Corsair AF120s are decent for their money
- not sure what Blu-Ray burner they'll use
- not sure what motherboard you picked (X99 Deluxe or Rampage V Extreme)

Either way though, you save almost $2000, which you can put towards a 5960X (+$400)+ 980 Ti (+$650) + Intel 750 (+$1050).

Also, picking GSkill over Corsair for ram saves you a further $70, plus 64GB is really overkill unless you run a ramdisk. There's also other (possibly better) options and alternatives for most parts to maximize what you get for your money.

 

I chose the X99 Deluxe simply because it has higher speed PCIe slots all across vs the Rampage V which is about 2 16X and the rest are slow, I forgot the exact numbers but that was the conclusion after my research.

 

If you google any pc manufacturer your going to get horror stories, period.

 

True, but most botique shops tend to have "above average" ratings, but CyberpowerPC seems to be a sore exception.

 

I'd never buy an entire desktop computer from anyone, nor would I recommend anyone do so.

 

I've never bought a desktop, built my first PC in 1987, been doing so since.. It's to easy to build to your liking cheaper than buy from a shop

 

Building desktop PC's is also extremely fun, why not do it.

 

pci bandwidth 8x vs 16x makes almost zero difference, the RVE support more devices on it's pci slots, so if you plan on adding more NVMe ssd and soundcards etc

If you can afford these components then I really recommend you go to a local pc shop and have them build one for you locally, would be cheaper than origin and you don't have to pay shipping.