Boxing = on a plane from Maylaysia?

I read this earlier, sorry I'm unable to credit the original author, but I think it's true.

My computer was in "boxing" for 2 days (Thur/Fri) and today, (Sat), it's already just departed the Sparks, NV warehouse of DELL. I live in Las Vegas, NV, and I think it would be very coincidental if they were manufactured in Sparks, NV.

So that means that during "boxing" (I was wondering how putting a laptop in a box could take 11 days) the computers are flying places, they just don't bother telling the customer.

Kinda weird , but I'm glad I'm getting closer to my 1520 .

 

maylaysia is where their part are made... isn't it???

I think the laptops are shipped from Texas if I am correct...

 

BOXING = ... that means your laptop is flying from Malaysia

... then it gets to the US where the rest of the stuff is put in (manuals and stuff).

 

^OH! That explains why it takes more than 10 seconds.

So it's not technically finished being "boxed" (packaged) until it gets to US.

 

Are you sure the computers are assembled from Malaysia?? Just seems unlikely that they'd have the laptops made from a foreign country... Maybe its just me not getting the question.. in that case just ignore me...

 

I believe I was the one that said that

Yes, the actual machines are produced in Malaysia and shipped in bulk on pallets to the US where they are put into boxes with manuals and other periphial devices. This "stage" typically takes around 2 business days. Historically, EVERYTHING went through TN - but lately it appears as if they have two depots in the US now, TN and NV depending on which coast you are on.

 

i tried searching but can not cofirm the fact that the laptops are actually assembled in malaysia... not that I don't trust your word...

 

If the computers are assembled in the US they wouldn't be that cheap

If not Malaysia then some other Asian country with cheap labor.

 

Indeed, point taken

 

^Just about EVERY electronic device you buy is made in Asia. If it wasn't, the companies would be shamelessly playing the patriot card sticking US flag stickers on every possible side of the box. My friend bought a custom $3500 computer like that last year, and it broke.

Wow I guess I got lucky I live so close to their depot in Sparks. I'm sure they had to land in Vegas though, because Sparks is a small town and I doubt they have int'l flights from Malaysia there.

Asia -> Las Vegas -> Sparks -> Las Vegas?

 

A little old... but still valid.

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread85821.html

 

Just a little side note. The place I work has been buying a lot of Dell laptops to replace our old Microns. All of them have a sticker on the package that says "Made in Malaysia."

 

I'm not too surprised at all...

 

There's a big fat sticker on every single box saying "Made in Malaysia"

How's that word for you?

 

Sweet link, thanks for posting it!

 

No problem!

 

^Wow that was actually a really interesting read. I always wonder how such huge operations are orchestrated together.

Must find more of these kind of articles!!1

 

yea it was an interesting read... thanks for the article blahdude

 

Glad to help people out!

 

wow my 1520 order changed from boxing stage to shipped to carrier weee hope it comes monday! cant wait...

 

lol woz i'm hopn 4 teh samete

 

Yep, mine 1720 went from boxing stage thursday and today it went to shipping stage with DHL carrier. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE hopes it come within next week sometimes

 

People wonder why income levels and gainful employment here is so low. American company puts factory in SE Asian country. American company buys SE Asian parts. American company assembles in SE Asian country. American company sells to penniless Americans using high interest credit cards. American company makes buku bucks, American consumer works weeks to pay for a lousy computer. We're back in 1860, people, nothing but Vanderbilts and the rest of us.

 

thats interesting that some of the mobos are from compal...

 

Probably because the school system in america is very slacked compared to the rest of the world. Highschool is a joke even taking all the hardest courses avalible.

Penniless Americans? no such thing, thanks to our tax dollars going to welfare/unemployment.

You're blaming employment problems people that are willing to go into debt using credit cards because they are materialists?

"American consumer works weeks to pay for a lousy computer" It takes weeks to pay of a very high spec computer yes...but it takes over 2 years of saving by the average person in china to buy a crappy computer. You may think it is unfair to outsource jobs, but then again you would complain too if jobs aren't outsourced. The price of everything would go up dramatically. A $1000 laptop now would cause $2000+ and the quality is most likely to go down. People do the best they possibly can in other countries so that they can keep their jobs so that they can bring food to the table.

I apologize for my ranting, but this is very ignorant...

 

lol@thread.

Laptop in box -> debate on American economics

 

You don't understand economics, friend. Home production with high paying jobs provides the means to buy them at higher prices without taking on debt to do so. It's what drove the US economy and built the middle class up from 1945-@1972. Sorry to digress, but sheesh, you tell me how you can afford gadgets without credit on a $10 an hour service job, or how you build an stable economy with no production or exports while importing wildly? China will be the next economic superpower ... they're about where we were (situationally) i the late 1930's. Sorry to hijack the thread, but sheesh, wake up.

 

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/36877.html

How OUTSOURCING helps our economy. There was a good clip on ABC (I think done by John Stocil) about outsourcing as well ... but I can't find it (was shown a few months ago).

 

That article only reinforced what I said in my first post: workers get screwed, "American" company gets rich.

Example:

"Yes, outsourcing also creates new jobs in other countries, but the marketplace is not a zero-sum game. Aside from the obvious benefit of helping pull poor countries out of the economic basement, it's also the case that by stimulating economic growth overseas, the U.S. is creating new markets in which to sell its products.

Think about it: the more disposable income a Chinese engineer has to spend, the more likely it is that he or she will buy a new gadget from an American company or perhaps see Hollywood's "'ky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.'"

The whole point is that none of the "American" products are made here! They're made in SE Asia & Mexico. The only beneficiaries of this are the corporate execs & shareholders. They're basically saying, "Yeah, a million slobs lose their jobs to a million Chinese (or Indians, etc.), but so what, Conglomoron's shareholders now have a million Chinese who can buy the crap they're making." How does that help our overall economy?

 

P.S. I won't contribute to this anymore. I'm on the wrong site on this subject, since (and I'm not criticizing, we're all guilty of this) the site is populated by folks looking for technology as inexpensively as possible. It took 30 years to ship all our jobs and factories overseas, and it'll take even longer to rebuild it, should we have the resolve to do so. Rather than make such sacrifices for the country as a whole, we want to keep our $1k laptops, close our eyes to all the unemployed (until we ultimately join them, of course).

 

first of all, my brother is a business major who just graduated dec. of 2006 and he is an investment banker for morill lynch. he has explained this to me before and outsourcing helps the enconomy way more than it harms it.

what i want to know is, how does home production gurantees high paying jobs? last time i check everyone in the factory starts out at 10-12$ an hour. this is the same pay and guess what, the items that these workers want to buy will have to pay more. because the employees are being paid 5 tiems more than they would have if outsourced, the company will probably have to lay off workers to keep the company running.

"you tell me how you can afford gadgets without credit on a $10 an hour service job" i save up my money. i'm making around $10 an hour this summe before my first year of college, and i am purchasing my laptop and all my other goods by saving up

and from my understanding, the us economy went up because of national projects such as the highway, and the war because the government paid citizens to make weapons in factories.

http://news.com.com/2100-1022-5181612.html
http://islandia.law.yale.edu/isp/GlobalFlow/paper/Panagariya.pdf
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/For...-4D89-9D57-5899C806DD21/0/outsourcingwhat.pdf

outsourcing has its goods and bads, but the type of jobs that are being outsourced aren't the 6 figure ones...its the same old $10 an hour ones being given to anothe guy because he will do it for $2 an hour

i'm gonna stop this now and apologize for upsetting anyone

 

I work in a major science park in Beijing - I assure you that the large number of Chinese employees being recruited here are not doing assembly line work (they are highly qualified english speaking graduates) and the companies are not here primarily because of cheap labour. They are here because of the large internal market and the large talent pool... but still the universities here are churning out so many graduates that they have trouble finding jobs.

Outsourcing helps up to a point but I think fundamentally China is rising and in the end the exchange rate will change a lot more than it has already and you will find the savings of having things made cheaply abroad will disappear and the US standard of living will fall in relative terms.

 

Ok... I am going to say a few things about what was said in this thread and call it a day haha... this thread ain't about American economics or the lack thereof, but I do want to set a few things straight.

First, here is a basic view of the economy and the way it functions: people have jobs, they make money, and they spend money on goods (whether it's buying a laptop, a house, food or whatever). A good way to look at how an economy is doing is a country's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) - higher GDP means a better economy most of the time if it isn't overestimated and what not. In accordance to what Minji and Offbase are saying, they are both correct in some senses.

Offbase agrees that outsourcing does help the country for the simple fact stated above: more goods at a lower base cost usually imply greater production. So this is one part of the equation. However, Americans do lose jobs to overseas factories and may have not the same type of money to make such purchases (e.g. the car factories in Detroit that paid their workers $50+ an hour before they outsourced overseas and left the area filled with evictions and a large homeless population that Detroit is still recovering from). Also, due to greed and a number of other greed-related factors, American executives are still selling products at a mark-up so ridiculous (e.g. Nike shoes costing 5 dollars to produce but selling for $100+).

Minji is also right that the 6 figure salaries are not being lost. Home production doesn't necessarily guarantee higher wages... only that the wages will be higher than the people the company outsourced to (or else what the hell would be the point of outsourcing). Anyways, in the WWII era and post WWII era, the economy did extremely well because it needed people to build tanks, battleships etc (e.g. Rosie the rivet woman). Yes, America was "rich" during this period (esp. in the 50's) because it had an internal approach to world policy (e.g. screw you guys, I want to just work on my economy). We are in much more debt now due to the Iraq War even though World Policies could possibly increase GDP. But things have changed now. Btw Minji, saving a few weeks to buy a laptop computer at $10 is only possible for a college student or someone living with their parents (I can only imagine how it is in China since they have not inflated their currency yet).

With the way the world is looking, outsourcing does have pros and cons. Offbase is correct in that it only makes American executives richer while everyone else has to suffer. Ultimately, what we are looking at is the fact that there are less jobs. Regardless of how cheap materials get due to outsourcing, America needs more jobs even at the risk of products being at a higher cost. And for those countries trying to get out of the proverbial basement, outsourcing does nothing but provide cheap and often slave-like form of labor. What is even worse are the governments that allow outsourcing to increase GDP at the expense of its own citizen.

But, this is the society we live in and capitalism, on a large scale, rules over all. The government wants to expand, industrialize, and make money usually at the expense of their people. Sadly, there is no moral to this story only that we as consumers suffer (despite the great price you think you are getting on your Vostro or Inspiron). Kudos and enjoy your new laptops everyone!

 

having some typing problems? haha

 

That article on how Dell's are made is really interesting. I read it not too long before it was posted here myself after researching the boxing!

Re-posted link.

I've also tracked down the route of the aircraft from the plant to the U.S. The Inspirons fly on a 747-400F from Penang, Malaysia to Taipei, Taiwan. After a 1 hour, 45 minute stay there, they depart for Nashville, Tennessee (not sure about Nevada). This can be seen by setting up the correct routes on China Air Cargo's website's Flight Timetable page.

Yeah, I've been spending way too much time researching Boxing the past two days.

 

Jeez what the !@#$ has happened to my thread? (except Apollo's post)

LOL

 

Crudder, a very erudite analysis, thank you! Minj, sorry, I didn't realize your authority was a recent college graduate, and that you, yourself are a high school kid. Bud, please, don't argue macroeconomics with a 40-something who received his doctorate before you were born, ok? You sound like you have an interest in more than tv and video games, which is great, but you were a little kid even when NAFTA was enacted, so you have no idea of the American experience prior to outsourcing. Get a few years of life experience and check back. Adios, and Glo, sorry to hijack your thread.

 

I am from Malaysia and that is some good spelling.

 

haha.. excellent... we are back on track now... and I apologize for the redundant post (which has now been corrected). I was copy and pasting and obviously things did not work out so well. I apologize for the hijack as well.

 

Sorry Chong for the spelling, I fixed it in my 2nd post if you noticed, but here in AmeriKKKA, the prevailing attitude is still that the rest of the world doesn't count.

"AMERICA, !@#$ YEAH!!!"

/offtopic lol