8800 in the 1330

Dell Kiosk guy said it wil be available. I called dell and they said it is currently being tested.. what do you guys think?

 

WOW!!! I really doubt it.

Maybe a 8600 or 8400GT. But currently the 8800 is only big 17" not 13" laptops.

You may have typed it wrong or something.

 

No way. 8800 will run way too hot. Even the 8600 gets damn hot.

 

Dell kiosk guy should be fired. Next thing he'll tell you is you can put a quad core processor in there too.

 

haha he's godo at selling stuff

 

It can.... in 2-3 years.

 

I'd Be happy with a 8500(Should be Refresh of the 8400GT But a bit faster)

 

Tested for what? Toaster? lol

 

Mayby they will include Water Cooling In It!
But then again the Desktop 8400 & 8600 have ten watts between them

 

yea and it will be running on Nuclear power as well...

 

this is exactly what I thought. I don't know what Dell is smokin..

 

It.. really wouldn't run that hot, but okay.

22 watts is not a lot.

 

its got photon lasers too

 

..what? I didn't say it had the 8800, I said it wouldn't be some type of impossible accomplishment. The MBP runs at 50 C at idle <g> so it's not like this can't be 'hot'.

 

that is very unlikely but no need to jump all over the guy.
an upgrade to the 8400gs is possible though such as an 8400gt or 8500, a refresh pretty much. I doubt they would go with an 8600 in the 1330 but you never know however nothing higher than that.

 

That will depend on how quickly Intel kills off AMD. If there is still on going competition then we can see quad core laptops in 1-2 years

 

I call BS

 

did the kiosk guy tell you this before or after u bought the 1330 from him?

 

Sounds like a fire hazard waiting to happen

 

This might be the Dell you'd want a Dell tech to open for you (in case it explodes when you turn it on)

 

Hey, who would want a 13" laptop to be cool enough to sit on your lap, anyways?

 

Okay seriously.. Go touch a light bulb that's 60 Watts. About 5% of a light bulb's watts gets turned into light, the other 95% turns into heat, meaning a light bulb-- which burns like heck, is around 54 watts of heat.

Now go touch a CFLightbulb. That's about 12 Watts of heat.

Okay.

CFLs barely get warm to the touch... They can generaly be held for as long as you want without it hurting.

A videocard tends to be anywhere between 50% and 85% efficient-- the rest of the energy lost to heat.

So, if we assume it's on the low end since the processors are made with such a small manufacturing process... that means 40% of 22watts, or about.. gasp.. 8.8 Watts is lost to heat.

8.8 watts.

Less than a CFL.

Yeah that thing's just gonna EXPLODE!!! Better not let any on air planes, someone might take the whole darn thing down!


So, at maximum, it emits 22 watts of heat (very possible if that's what Nvidia meant to express-- that it doesn't consume 22 watts of energy but emits 22 watts of heat)..

then that'd be very uncomfortable on the lap, but it wouldn't be dangerous, and with a fan, it definitely wouldn't destroy the computer. Even in such a 'small' space..

And here's something that should be clarified. This 8800M is NOT the 8800 desktop Vidcard.. whcih consumes around 150 Watts, and thus, would release about 110 Watts of heat-- far more than a light bulb, and definitely not fun to touch. That would assuredly not work in a computer this size.


In conclusion a Laptop can only have as many Watts out as it has in. The 1330 can use a 65 Watt power supply, and not go onto battery-- so at most it can output 65 watts. If we assume the 8400 is 5 watts, that means we'd be adding 17 watts to its total energy, and if we assume it uses all 65 watts of that power block..

We come to a grand total, maximally, of 82 Watts.

Or, if released into heat, at worse, around as much as a 65 watt Light bulb spread out over a 9 by 11 double sided heatsink-- one side of which is aluminum.

I admit there are a series of complications and factors that could easily make it infeasible for the 8800 to fit into the 1330, one of which includes the capacity of the laptop's internal PSU.. But to say it's.. impossible. That's just plain unrealistic.

 

I called Dell last week, and asked about an upgraded card on the 1330 than to the one already offered, and the Sales Rep mentioned that a 8800 card is being tested for an upgraded 17inch Laptop. I asked whether it was for the new 17inch Inspiron or maybe an upgraded 17inch XPS, and he said the 'upgraded 17inch XPS' (I just wonder when that will be out?, and what it will look like?)

 

Kiosk reps will do just about anything to sell a machine Check out the link below.

http://consumerist.com/consumer/insiders/22-confessions-of-a-former-dell-sales-manager-268831.php

 

I’d say it is next to impossible today, within any reasonable cost limits. But I’m sure in another 5 years we will see cards that are much faster than 8800 fitted in even smaller and thinner notebooks. For example, the Go8400 is considerably faster than a GF 4TI 4600 (fastest card 5 years ago) , but was it possible to fit a TI4600 in to a 13.3 notebook back then?

 

And i'll be a billionaire in 2-3 years but until then its nothing but talk.

Quad cores and 8800s will end up in notebooks at some point down the line but its highly unlikely that you'll find them in 13.3" notebooks.

Let alone laptops from dell. Not too many things are impossible when talking about technology but many things are highly unlikely.

 

This doesn't make any sense: ultimately, all the energy consummed by a chip will be turned into heat (and I assume a bit also into electromagnetic waves). It's not like there's any other way for the energy to dissipate.

So a chip that use 22 Watts puts out about 22 Watts of heat. Add a CPU and a hard-drive, and your laptop can get pretty hot.

 

I just had a talk with a production worker. He told me he is going to test the 8600m GT in the XPS m1330 probably on Monday. He'll let me know what is going to happen!

 

Yeah right, and Dell is giving away a M1210 for each M1330 sold, I'd bet he's telling you that.

Seriously though, I think the kiosk guy got confused and thought all XPS laptops are the same. ANd about the 8800 in the replacement for the M1710, should I care? I don't think so, it's gonna take forever for that piece of thing to be brought into Malaysia, and so far, the ideastorm request of making all dell products available globally has fallen on deaf ears.

 

Screw that, I walked down to Apple and bought a MBP 15 min later...

 

I'm trying to think of how to respond to that, and not be sarcastic. I will just step back a second.. okay...

Basically that isn't the way the universe works. Energy does not naturally head towards being heat. Watts accomplish work. It takes work to move electrons through your processor, or it takes work to move them across a tiny tungsten wire.

When the electrons move across the tiny tungsten wire in a classic light bulb, 100% of that work gets turned into.. something. 95% of that is heat. A much smaller percentage of that gets turned into white light, and tiny percents get turned into stuff like noise-- that is, physical motion of the electrons which gets translated into sound waves and blah blah.

When i say 'translated' or 'turned into' it's very misleading, and seems to imply there's this magical ball of energy that gets turned into other forms of energy. That's not the case it's more complex. It can be desrcribed more accurately as energy/work (using them interchangably here, due to complexity) that gets 'used' to 'do' something. In the case of the light bulb, 95% of what it gets used to do is to make heat.

In the case of a PSU, the standard PSU is 70-83% efficient, meaning 30-17% of it is NOT used for the specified purpose of a PSU-- meaning it gets 'turned into' heat, sound, and other things (though that's all I can think of). Most of it instead gets 'turned into', or rather USED for the purpose of making direct current...

Now, when you think of how a computer works.. You have to push electrons through tiny pipes all over the place. Those pipes are really freaking small, but each one is necessary to be pushed through at some point, and in the case of processors, they have to be pushed through a LOT of pipes. The more pipes, the more electrons that need to be pushed through them, the more energy/work is needed to push not only all those electrons but through those increasingly small tubes.

That's where the 'work' goes. When you say the GPU is 60% efficient, that means that 60% of the Wattage plugged into it is used for the GPU's designated purpose. 40% is lost to other, less relevant things.

If, on the other hand, i were to look at the efficiency of the GPU as a heating element, I'd say it's 40% efficient-- because that's what I'm designating its purpose to be.

I hope that makes it more clear.

 

who cares what consumes what?

finally there will never be any 8800 in a 13,3" (its more likely that elefants learn to fly)! but i admit that i lawled a certain amout of time when i read this thread

 

http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/05/050506.html

 

http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html

beside that: i love to see the monkey dance

 

Yes, watching the monkey dance is great, I watch it often.