XPS 17 9700

How's everyone feeling about the new XPS 17? I've been considering the LG Gram 17, but the XPS 17 looks sturdier and should be much faster if Dell can manage the thermals. I wish it had regular USB type-A ports but it will come with a dongle.

How I'd spec it:

17-inch UHD+, 3840 x 2400, 60 Hz, anti-reflective, touch, InfinityEdge, 100% AdobeRGB, 500 nits, wide-viewing angle
Core i7-10750H, 6 Core, 2.60 GHz to 5 GHz or Core i7-10875H, 8 Core, 2.30 GHz to 5.10 GHz (depending on cost)
16 GB DDR4-2933 dual-channel or 32 GB DDR4-2933 dual-channel (depending on cost and whether it can be upgraded later)
256 GB, M.2 2230, PCIe NVMe Gen3 x4, SSD (unless the upgrade to 512GB is relatively cheap)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 - 6 GB GDDR6
6-cell, 97 WHr "smart" lithium-ion, ExpressCharge

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leake...and-XPS-15-refreshes-leaked-too.463078.0.html

 

I’m anxiously awaiting it as well. Would be a great do everything device for us.

 

Looks awesome.

I am waiting to see how DPC latency works. As this was a major issue for current generation XPS laptops that Frank Azor was unable to sort, I hope the engineers worked on this.

I would prefer a non-skylake CPU but Intel just can't do that so maybe wait or switch

 

Skipping this gen for next year's model that should come with tiger lake CPUs... Warranty on my surface ends right around June 2021.

The upgraded iGPU would be one of the major improvements I would be looking forward to. I'll also monitor how this first models handle temps

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Has a page on Dell's website. I'll probably wait for the refurbs and outlet coupons.

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-17-laptop/spd/xps-17-9700-laptop

 

Since you've been considering the LG Gram 17, I presume performance it not a priority? I've been pretty happy with my ProBook. From the specs, it looks like it's about a pound heavier than the XPS 17. I'm guessing you can get it for a lot less than the XPS 17 and and now, as opposed waiting for the XPS 17 to be released, then hit the outlet. Its biggest plus is the screen, though I'm sure it's not as good as the Dell, and it's easy to upgrade. There's a newer G7 model as well.

 

I do a decent amount of online work involving side-by-side documents, so not the most strenuous workload. I'll take a look at the ProBook. My only real requirements are QHD or higher screen resolution and a 10th gen Intel processor. Lighter is better but the price is more important. I can get the Gram 17 for around $1200 on eBay.

 

For comparison, my XPS 15 9560 is (according to the official documentation):

Height: 17 mm (0.66 in)
Width: 357 mm (14.06 in)
Depth: 235 mm (9.27 in)
Weight (maximum): 2.06 kg (4.54 lb)

It's pretty cool that the difference between a 15-incher and a much more powerful 17-incher is less than three-quarters of an inch in width and less than half an inch in depth.

On the other hand, it looks like they're still using Killer WiFi and this time it's soldered so there's no changing it. Oh well, I wasn't planning to upgrade this year anyway... maybe next year they'll have some AMD options or at least offer an Intel WiFi card.

 

It takes a lot to wow the laptop world but the XPS 17 is impressive!

Wonderful screen and casework. There is a lot of space for cooling and the 2x nvme drives is nice. We will see what the performance challenges are as Dell never seems to get it right. Once Intel moves away from Skylake, the motherboard likely will require significant redesign.

I wonder if the competition will take years to respond to the XPS 17, as they did with the beautiful 2015 XPS lineup. Given the human malware situation, I think Dell will not see much in the near term.

 

Yeah, I may pick up a 17 just to try it out. It's got my interest with the vapor chamber and 2060...

 

Yeah, this looks really interesting. I'm looking to upgrade for 4K video editing and I was heavily looking at the MSI Creator 17. Depending on how the prices stack up, maybe this could be the better option. I guess I just have to wait until they're both released (mid-June, I think they're both saying) to see how they perform in real-world situations. I do wish there were larger options for creators with the new Ryzen CPUs, though. Those things look ideal for creators but our only options are Intel 10th Gen at the moment which is sad.

 

How come? You said undervolt is really important for you. Oh wait, it's looked on these. Good luck.

 

I do like the undervolting option and shame on Intel just like AMD for locking it down. Nice of you to keep tabs though. But remember, undervolts don't help?

 

No, I said it is mandatory for current (lol current) Intel, and basically irrelevant for the 7nm Ryzen. And now with these 10th gen burn hot as the core of the sun Intel even more.

 

Yes you postulate that it's irrelevant for 7nm Ryzen. Sadly the 4800H is running pretty hot in laptops, but not surprising when we think about all the cores...

 

You can grab a ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 with a 4900HS from Best Buy for only $1449. Comes with a 120hz screen but the lack of a webcam is kind of a deal breaker in the COVID19 era of remote working/school.

 

Yes the Zephyrus G14 looks amazing, both on paper and also by design. Sadly a configuration you mentioned with a 4900HS costs 1800Eur ($1950) in Europe with a 1660ti. 2300Eur ($2500) with RTX2060.

 

Plus it's asus, thats the real deal breaker.

 

This is the precision version of the XPS 9700, but it has the same thermal design. The CPU is pegged to 100c in this entire video.

Edit: a link to this YouTuber's review
https://bimchapters.blogspot.com/2020/05/review-of-precision-5750-laptop-what.html?m=1

 

dave2d is pretty excited about the xps 17, especially the thermal design compared to the new xps 15

 

I wonder if the 4 and 6 core variants run any cooler.

 

Is 130w from the USB-C charger going to enough under heavy loads, for the RTX 2060 variant?

 

It'll be close, the CPU has a TDP of 45 watts and the RTX 2060 has an estimated power draw of 80 - 90 watts(according to notebookcheck).

 

There will be significant throttling somewhere. The 10875h can consume 100w on its own when unrestricted at stock speeds. The 2060 can easily do 80-90w. There is a reason 9880h + 2060 laptops of yesteryear had 180w power supplies.

I hope each component individually will be able to stretch its legs. There is no chance both can be maxed simultaneously.

 

The 2060 isn't going to be a full speed, it will be max-q for sure. The CPU will be limited to 45w (short PL1 power may be 55w). So you're looking at 65w for the 2060 and 45w for the CPU which means 130w is the bare minimum. Sure you can lift the power limits on the CPU with TS and you may be able to bios flash a full 2060 bios which puts you way out of the power envelope, but the cooling won't handle that. This is NOT a gaming laptop.

 

A shame Dell still hasn't adopted the Ryzen R9 yet...I was hoping dell would come out with an XPS with the 4800HS or 4900HS...

 

I was looking and the 4k is touch. That's a good thing.

 

With the kickbacks Intel provides the big players, I don’t see this happening for a while.

 

Does anyone know if the new XPS 17 9700 is compatible with a PCIe Gen4 x4 SSD? Does it have the right physical connection, and can the computer realize the performance advantages of Gen4 over Gen3 SSDs?

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...0875h-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

It doesn't look like it. I think AMD is the only company doing PCIe 4.0. Then again, there isn't much benefit RIGHT now (but more later!).

 

Yeesh. The Australian prices for this are horrible. The highest spec we get is 10750H + 1650 Ti for $5400 That's something like $1400 more than the US for the same specs and $1000 more than the top spec with 10875H and RTX 2060. That's a ridiculous markup!

 

Is the RAM soldered to the motherboard or can it be upgraded?

 

You can upgrade it although don't expect to have XMP profiles available.

 

I was all onboard with the XPS 17 being a fantastic options for my friends and family that ask me about recommendations for laptops - until I saw the prices.

I think the GTX1650 model makes a lot of sense at that price - but the 8-Core, RTX2060, 4K option is just way too overpriced compared to better, more reliable options. I love my XPS 15 in so many ways, but it's like that abusive, crazy ex that satisfies you in ways other girls never did, but you have to put up with a lot of BS and eventually it gets old.

Hopefully this is just Dell milking the market for a brand new product in their lineup that they knew would have crazy demand, and next year the prices will be much more reasonable. Oh, and the XPS 15 needs to get that vapor cooling chamber as well!

 

From Apple, Razer, Lenovo’s and Dell, I can honestly say that I don’t think a Dell has any more issues than the others. It has annoying issues in my experience where I’ve otherwise experienced debilitating issues say on my MacBooks.

 

Give it a couple of months and the prices will drop or go on sale.

 

Friend bought Dell XPS 17 (i7-10875h, RTX2060, 16gb, SSD 1gb) and laptop is very slow. Windows are stuttering, when many apps are opened, everything is very slow. At the moment we think the problem is that laptop power plan is on "balanced" or "dell" all the time. There is no "high performance" possible. We tried clean format/install of windows without dell bloatware and still no high performance plan. Tried adding performance plan with winreg and cmd prompt but nothing.
What could we do to fix this?

 

Hmmmmm, not sure what could be going wrong since I am on the polar opposite of the 17" xps, my inspiron 3000 11 2 in 1 with 4gb of ram and i3 and windows is butter smooth. The balanced "power plan" is just settings for when the screen times out and sleeps, not an actual power profile. It is running full power if it's plugged in!

 

Hello all,

I would like to share my experience with the XPS 9700 i7 10875H and the
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 with Max-Q design.

I was very surprised how far you could undervolt the individual components and how you get about 15-20% more performance with a cooler system.

My modifications:

Repast with the Conductonaut liquid metal thermal paste.
Keep me crazy on such an expensive laptop to do this but with a little nail polish as protection it luckily worked on the CPU and GPU.
I also coated all the memory chips under the cooler with Thermalright TF8 thermal paste 13.8 W/mK. But No idea if that has helped what.

Now to the settings:

Undervolting i7 10875H with Trottelstop:

- CPU Core -0.1504
- Intel GPU -0.0703
- CPU Cache -0.0605
- iGPU Unslice -0.0703
- System Agent -0.0605
- Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits in FICR Control > Enable
- Thermal Velocity Boost > Disabled
- Core 8 Ratio reduced from 43 to 41.
- TPL:
- PL 1 85 W with clamp
- PL 2 95 W without clamp
- Speed Shift > On

CINEBENCH R23 Multi Core: 10134 points!

At 100% utilization, the CPU manages a constant 3.9Ghz clock on all cores at around 95°-100° without additional throttling except for Prochot at 100°.

"Undervolting" the GeForce RTX 2060 with MSI Afterburner:

- Core +221MHz. (Hold left point with Shift and bring the entire curve to this value. That means the GPU runs with the same voltage curve as Stock.
Default > 975 Mhz, then 1,196 Mhz a + of 22.6% more clock with the same voltage.
- Memory Clock +500 MHz

Now the GPU runs at 100% utilization with a constant GPU core clock of 1650Mhz.

GPU temperature 60° with a power decrease of 65-68W. It can't or didn't do more in the entire test. It's amazing that the cooling here only runs with both fans on level 1 of 2 and gets rid of the heat well.

The charger only offers 130 watts via PD USB C. The battery is also drained if the CPU is used to its maximum capacity with 85-96 watts and the GPU with 65-68 watts. Together, that would be 150-164 watts if you only count the big power sources. In practice, however, you won't be able to load both with 100% permanently, so that's not a problem in my opinion.

I'm surprised that the temperature difference of CPU and GPU at full load is about 20°. I will see if I can connect the heat sources better with more headpipes and if this has a positive effect.


At 100% load of the CPU and the GPU the temperature is after one hour;
CPU: 100° > 71Watt > all cores 3,7Ghz
GPU: 80° > 65Watt > 1.575Ghz
No Drops! With outside temperature 20°.


Do any of you also achieve such performance or even better? Let me know because I am fully satisfied.

The fan control will be controlled by HWInfo64 to increase the fans as fast as possible in performance mode and to do without the fans in the home office.


Greetings.

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That is a great undervolt and boost in performance.

- Throttlestop might be able to set prochot to 100*C on that CPU (see the options menu), killing the Dell throttle.

- You can adjust CPU performance via SpeedShift EPP. Throttlestop can do that, with 0=max performance, 255=max efficiency, ~79 mid performance. Windows will be fighting the EPP based on the "Power Options", so try to set the EPP equal in both places (or you could just set it in Windows and confirm ThrottleStop is not trying to set a different EPP.

-Dell Command | Power Manager gives you some ability to boost CPU performance (and fans). It adjusts some registers we many not normally be able to access. See Thermal Management>Ultra Performance

 

Thank you,
No throttling is active except for the 100° limit. But that is also the way it should be.

I use a total of 3 profiles, Performance, Work and Battery.
EPP 64,128,225. I also use these to control the various energy-saving profiles.

Dell Command Power Manager should therefore be superfluous? Except perhaps for the additional power reduction in battery mode. I hope the update from Throttelstop comes soon so that I have separate TPL settings for each profile.


Today I did some GPU tests with Afterbuner. I noticed that the GTX runs constantly with up to +1800MHz memory without errors. But under full load the GPU clock is reduced to about 1500Mhz instead of 1680MHz. Does anyone know where this comes from? What is better now I have to look through tests first.






lg.

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SpeedShift via EPP is THE great way to change CPU performance. Outside of SpeedShift EPP, Dell Command | Power Manager accesses some registers you may not be able to access otherwise (fan speed and some "minor" items IMHO).

You can print out the power registry under different power schemes (with and without Power Manager enabled) to see and compare a lot of the changes. The Intel SpeedShift guide is also liked here.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-xps-speed-shift.796891/

 

Was perusing the Dell site today, as I get closer to ordering the XPS17, and I noticed they made a change to the Hard Drive options:

Previously, the std was a 1TB SSD, with an option to upgrade to 2TB, with an additional option to add a second (2TB) SSD. Now the 1TB is still std (on the model I'm looking at), and the options are 2TB and 4TB, and no mention of a second SSD.

While 4TB is my sweet spot, I think I would prefer to have it as two discreet physical drives, not one big one (although I have no scientific reason for saying that). Anyone familiar with Dell's changes?

Also, FWIW, the prices have gone up substantially. My desired config went from mid $3K to mid $4K.

 

Dell is always tweaking configurations based on available supply and pricing. Exact brand and models of ssd & RAM have varied, for example.

XPS pricing is quite volatile. Maybe the back to school rush is price boosting period now, rather than back to school sales. If you are not in a rush, keep your eyes open for better pricing although if you wait long enough a new model will come out, eventually.

 

Or you can look in Dell Outlet, which is most likely a return with a nice discount.

 

On the Canada website we can order 2 4tb drives.

 

I have an XPS 17 coming that has two 4TB SSB drives. Does anyone know how they're configured? One big C:? Two drives, C and D?

Thanks.

 

No idea. But first thing you should do is a clean Windows install, removing all the bloat and spy ware.

 

Thanks, good idea. I've never done this before, anywhere you can point me for tips and a guide? Main concern, how do I get all the device-specific drivers back in action?

 

Arriving today. Trying to line up my ducks, and something occurred to me...

How are you guys connecting a mouse? I use the ubiquitous Logitech mouse, which means that little USB plug-in that Logitech uses for wireless mice/KB. But it's a USB-A, and I think the new 17 went all USB-C.

Thoughts?