Dell XPS 9570 Reviews

Folks,

I've looked all over the internet and YouTube and have found zero reviews on this laptop.

It's a bit surprising as this is a flagship product for Dell and should make its way into users hands by the end of the month as it's finally available for order.

The laptop interests me but I want to understand the thermals and battery life prior to making a decision.

Has anyone come across any information / reviews of test units?

Thanks

 

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did not found anything either

 

Why would not having reviews before the release/delivery of the product surprise you? Dell doesn't send out review samples or anything like that.

 

I hoped they would have done it... Gigabyte did it by example

 

I had thought I saw reviews for the just released 9575 before users actually received the laptops.

 

Oh the cynic in me.... Must.keep.mouth.shut.

 

I asked if cooling was improved in sales chat, he says that he checked with the specialist and that it has been improved.

 

I'm not calling Dell out on fake news!

 

Hugh? Are you saying I'm spreading fake news?

 

Not you - the salesman from Dell. I don't think the salesman checked with a "specialist". I don't think there is a Dell "specialist". And I don't think any of the chat salesmen have a clue about 9570 thermal performance in the real world.

If you look around the forums here, you will see all kinds of declarations from Dell staff that are complete BS.

 

Yea, doesn't suprise me, i ordered the dell 4k version with i9, also got a samsung 1tb 970 pro and an intel 9260 wifi card to drop in it.

 

I got a decent deal though, in comparison to the list price. 9570 4k i9 1tb 32gb windows pro, for 2600 plus 6% back in rewards. Also got a deal on the 4 year premium warranty with accident protection. Out the door was 3385. Its the most I've ever spent on a laptop, but i love to haggle and i plan to keep this one 4-5 years.

 

That is a monster laptop. Let us know how that i9 performs when you receive it. I think the 4 year warranty is worth getting if you keep the laptop for a long time; also has resale value.

As the XPS chassis and basic size remains unchanged, and the 8th, 7th, 6th gen CPUs are essentially identical, you should expect some throttling out of the box. Research these forums for tips on undervolting and repasting.

Not sure what solutions we will need for the 9570 but similar fixes seem to help the 9575 based on limited postings. . .

 

I can easily dial in throttle stop. I have heatsink for 970 pro. Other than that, I'll wait and see how she blows before repasting etc. I'm also concerned about battery life, should get interesting.

 

I can easily dial in throttle stop, I have heatsink for 970 pro. Other then that, I'll wait and see how she blows before repasting etc. I'm also concerned about battery life, should get interesting.

 

The 9570 Service Manual is online and the heatsink looks the same as in the 9560 I'm afraid. Still no active cooling for the VRMs Bloody hypocrites.

http://www.dell.com/support/manuals...72a66e-e520-4c42-b582-c5a4a2076a92&lang=en-us
http://www.dell.com/support/manuals...72a66e-e520-4c42-b582-c5a4a2076a92&lang=en-us

http://www.dell.com/support/manuals...0eebae-98a7-4629-bf58-0ffaf88eb51b&lang=en-us
http://www.dell.com/support/manuals...688ca0-8cd9-4d38-9d34-81544ec60a32&lang=en-us

 

The first two links seem identical. But the second two pictures show different motherboards (clearly the 9560 and the other is not a 9550 so likely the 9570). The 9570 PDF manual [now] is up. Given the photo errors in website and PDF, there is a possibility these official pictures are wrong. . .

As @_sem_ notes, it seems Dell did not put its best engineers on this project to improve cooling. Heatsink looks similar, with silly 5 screw configuration. Also vrm cooling solution looks like same lousy passive 9560 setup (with different components and arrangement).

Given the 8th gen CPU is essentially similar to the 9550 & 9560 CPUs, with the added two cores, that looks pretty hot!.

Also no SpeedShift support in BIOS per 9570 manual.

 

Figured. Probably the only differences between the motherboards of the 9560 and 9570 are the CPU die, the GPU die, the TB3 chip and a different BIOS. Dell is getting a bit lazy on the engineering front.

 

I think the mobo image is nudged in photoshop, there is a dent where a shielded VRM-like part next to the fan should be.

I guess cooling will probably be okay even for the i9 as long as the GPU is off. But I wouldn't expect anything else than with the 9560 when both are loaded heavily for more than a couple of minutes, though the exact form of throttling may be revised, hehe.

SpeedShift probably via Dell Command stuff.

Well, they were working on the 2-in-1s.

 

Ohwell since its most likely gonna have the same thermal issues as the 9560 then I guess the next point of interest for me will be a battery life comparison.
I'm still on a 9550 1080p with 84whr battery but I want to upgrade to the 9570. I'm wondering if the battary life of the new 4k build would be close to what I currently get on my 9550 1080p which I usually get around 9.5 hours screen time for typing and web browsing.

 

I decided to get the 9570. Everything else seems to their own quirks and compromises.
Overall, it's the best out of the bunch. I did get a members discount and the current promo of 10% off, as well as getting the 1080p matte screen, so that kept the price reasonable.

I'm going to swap out the Killer 1535 card for an Intel 9260, since I've read so many issues with Killer WLAN NICs, including someone that just got the 9570.

 

While not a fan of his previous "reviews", at least there is something while waiting for PRO reviews:

 

Yeah I'm not a fan either.

 

Tally ho - You guys are harsh!

Western Gents United clearly has a Dell bias and some of his posts are just fluffy news updates. In his defense, he releases a lot of details on the XPS in a timely manner so I find it worth watching his videos.

Last year, he posted a brutal long-term review of the 9560 which summarized in clear English virtually all the major flaws with the system; it was superb. The nbr forums have hundreds of pages with more details but I thought his 10 minute video was a well-made primer that all XPS buyers would benefit from.

Lisa Gade from MobileTechReview is my favourite video reviewer due to her level of professionalism, depth of reviews, and consistency. It doesn't take much to realize if she finds a laptop to be garbage.

 

Totally agree about MobileTechReview, Lisa combines good presentation with good details, without going totally overboard. I really respect her opinions on things.

 

I'm surprised I haven't seen any good reviews on the 9570. I'd love to see some benches on the 1050ti and some temp logs when gaming.

 

@custom90gt Gaming review also from Western Gents United

 

Interesting review. I'm glad he was able to get pretty good frame rates out of that 1050 ti. I do question him when he says that undervolting doesn't help. I'm sure undervolting would help to lower temps and keep higher clocks.

 

This does seem decent, and I wonder how much better the i7 model would fare in these scenarios. At least the performance isn't tanking in minutes, like when I tested the 9560 a while back.

 

Dell knows they'll only be hurt by professional reviews from a product like the 9570, so they haven't sent out review units. NBC should have an xps 15 review up within a month.

 

Do you have something in mind in particular? Thermal constraints?
From the reviews I have seen, I have the feeling that all i7-6core laptops throttle (ultrabook and regular).

 

They didn't spend any time on the 9570. You can tell by looking at it compared to the 9575 and 9370. It's a drop-in upgrade that is waiting on the real XPS 15 upgrade that will happen probably later this year.

 

What can you expect from dell?

 

Is that just a hunch or do you have any info about Dell doing som more updated to the XPS15 this year?

 

Just a hunch
Maybe it will be like the 9360 with kaby lake r that came out before the 9370.

 

That's just true, sadly!

A drop in replacement like that is "easy". With XPS15 they need a product re-engineering... I don't think it's gonna happen before next cycle...

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLU3n5VGqlV9V5ESXg5UTt--sO8obDnm1s

There is an interesting series of video reviews here by @B0B about the new Dell G3. (His reviews are excellent, I hope somebody can do the same for XPS15 soon)
Through undervolding and liquid metal repasting he was able to completely get rid of thermal issues in the G3. i7-8750h rock solid at 3.9Mhz under load.
I hope that the same can be achieved with XPS 15.

 

Western Gents United has the XPS 15 with an i9 and its frequency is all over the place.

He had it holding decent at one point but it was hitting 100c with ease.

He’s not done yet we’ll know more over the weeks. He loves the XPS 15 so perhaps his enthusiasm can produce some good results.

 

This guy is so enthusiastic I am starting to have some bad thoughts.

 

I don't even have to click the vid I know it's him with that pink hue.

He digs the XPS 15 so just learn what he can offer you and go from there.

My eye is only on this machine not because I have high hopes. I already know the proper outcome. I just want to make sure it's covered correctly so I can reference it later.

 

The first video is quite insightful. Dell shows they know the VRMs of a high performance machine need to be cooled. The CPU and GPU VRMs of the G3 have thermal pads, attached to the HS assembly.

 

He seems to have faked benchmark results for PUBG on ultra, claiming framerates that a 1060 GTX + i7-8750H hits.

 

A new thread again for xps 9570? How many exist now? There was a more informative one, but whatever.
So what i wanted to ask any info yet how the new 1050ti maxq compete against the 1050 in the 9560?

 

The problem is there are no good reviews on the 9570. I've found one firestrike score that was on reddit but I wasn't super impressed with it. The enthusiasts are quiet on the 9570, I'm not sure if it's the price or what that is keeping them away. It's probably the better cooling G series laptops that are cheaper.

 

Tally ho! For the 9560, Mr. Western Gents United also posted some very positive first impressions & benchmarking videos.

Then after some time with the machine, he posted a detailed video of the principal 9560 "issues". He must have read all the threads here (there were thousands of posts) and combined that with his personal experience. I can't recall many written or video reviews with that level of detail on problems (of course there is Doug Black, aka Eason). Give credit where credit is due.

So, as the 9570 video series continues, hopefully he will compile enough information to post a 9570 "issues" video. But that will probably take some time as the laptop was just released and there is a dearth of hardcore testing on the internet.

I did like his new intro song!

 

Agreed.

The Skylake 9550 was revolutionary but had some QC issues early on. There was a lot of excitement around the 9560 with the 1050. Especially unlocking full potential. Unfortunately, the thermals, underengineered VRM and laggy screen provided an underwhelming experience for many, even after some extreme mods. From a QC viewpoint, Dell still had some issues.

Dell seems to offer much the same in the third gen 9570 and it looks the same. But there is more competition around this space now, even from Dell's G series and Dell's Alienware line. . .

 

So here is a comparison with the 9570 time spy score that I found vs my 9575 vs my stock 9560 with a 7300hq (sadly I never ran it with my 7700hq and iunlocks mods):

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/3787437/spy/3794105/spy/2394417

The 1050ti maxq is a good jump from the 1050 and ~10% faster than the vega m gl.

 

This is a bit OT, it's a review of the new Razer Blade 15 by Dave2d.
It seems that it's able to hold the i7 at full turbo at stock. Undervolting helps too.
My only doubt is that I am not familiar with how "heavy" is the stress test/benchmark that he is using.

Perhaps the new big vapor chamber is indeed a good idea...

I would hope that XPS 15 is able to do the same, but I am quite skeptical.

 

That I find strange, Graphics score for 1050timaxq is 2260 and for 1050 only 1575. That is huge difference. I assumed only minmal difference.