is Asus too pricey?

i just configured this d620 and i think similar Asus would cost at least $3000CAN! Asus to me seems pricey just like Thinkpads (i could not believe, w3j which used to cost $1700 5 months ago now costs over $2000!). i trust you guys that quality is there but nobody can deny that this Latitude lappy is at the same level of quality as any Asus, for at least 25% lower price!


Latitude D620 Qty 1
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 (2.00GHz) 667Mhz Dual Core, Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2, with media Unit Price $2,218.00
Catalog Number: 70703 OCLATD62C2_RBP_D62C2E


Latitude D620 Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 (2.00GHz) 667Mhz Dual Core
Operating Systems Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2, with media
LCDs 14.1 inch Wide Screen WXGA+ LCD Panel
Memory 2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM, 2 DIMMS
Internal Keyboard Internal English Keyboard
Graphics 256MB NVIDIA® Quadro NVS 110M TurboCache™
Hard Drives Free Upgrade to 100GB 7200RPM Hard Drive - $150 Value
Touchpad Options Touchpad with UPEK® Fingerprint Reader
Floppy Drive No Floppy Drive
Bluetooth Dell Wireless® 350 Bluetooth Module
AC Adapter 90W A/C Adapter
Module Bay Devices 8X DVD with Cyberlink Power DVD™
Wireless LAN (802.11) Dell Wireless™ 1490 802.11a/g Dual-band Mini Card
Resource CD Resource CD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
Batteries 9 Cell Primary Battery
Optional Support Services 3 Years Next Business Day Onsite
Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Business from XP Professional, ENG
TOTAL:$2,218.00

 

Naw. The Asus model is about the same, except without the customer service.

MilestonePC.com has the W3J with T2500 at $2000. Add a faster hard drive, and it'll be about $2200. Its not overpriced.

 

W3J $2,000!?!?..... Where are you looking, they should still be 1799 at most places? Bought mine for just under that a few weeks ago.

 

Canadian versus US dude...

There's been several threads on why Asus is more expensive than Dell and HP.

"nobody can deny that this Latitude lappy is at the same level of quality as any Asus"
You're joking, right?

 

The D620? The chassis that Dell has been re-hashing and selling over and over since the D600 with the original P-M?

 

MilestonePC has it for far less than that. Think around $300 less...

~ Brett

Edit: Just realized you're speaking about Canadian dollars...

 

I know everyone has heard of the saying "you get what you pay for"..... that's what you get with Asus.... if you're in the comparison mode between dell and asus, you either don't know the vast quality of build, materials, and design that go into Asus systems, or simply don't care. If you don't care, then you'll never end up buying an Asus system and could stick to dell. Now, beyond that, if you know Asus for their motherboards, you'll know their the best in the world and being that you can't see what's inside a system and that's really what matters most.... you'll know that you're as good on the inside as you are on the outside and you'll have a great well-rounded unit that'll last you years longer than a dell would.

 

My A8Js was $2000, almost the same specs, I have the better video card, you have the better hard drive. So it's not that pricey...

 

A model like the A8 is what Asus offers to bring over those that either don't care about or can't afford the high end design and build...... in other words... it should attract a lot of those that are comparing Asus against dell and hp.... Ton of performance in an otherwise cheap package.... Actually shows that Asus isn't pricy (like you said), but also should give credence to the fact that some of the higher end models (like the W and V series) are more expensive for a reason.. and that reason is what they're known for, which is the high end build, materials and design...

The bottom line is, some people want a bmw because they think it's getting there that's the most important...... others drive a twenty year old honda because they just car about getting whereever they're going..... then there are plenty that know it's about getting from point A to point B, but simply can't afford it.. I compare Asus stuff with cars a lot, and it's because a lot more people can understand the differences between those.... but that's really the best way to describe what an Asus notebook does for you.... You'll spent a considerable amount of your day using it and it's essentially an extension of yourself...


The question is, do you want that bmw to go with that nice suit and expensive shoes?

 

asus a and f series compete with some of the dell inspirons. They are not cheaper but they compete. For a higher initial investment you can get better technology, like compare my a8js with 7700 and wxga screen vs a dell something like a e1505. Well the e1505 is cheaper and obsolete sooner.

asus w series competes with the lattitude.

the thing is, there simply are no models from dell to compare. Are you really comparing a d620 to a w3j? Well the w3j is way nicer and it has a x1600 gpu. You get what you pay for just in that.

They are both some of the largest computer sellers in the world, I mean they are both top 10 at least. They try not to compete too directly. Asus doesnt make a $800 15 inch with x1400 or a $1400 17 inch with 7900 gs...

dell doesnt make a 15 inch with even the mid level card for some reason Ill never understand. The best selling notebook in the world, dell doesnt want to compete there they leave that pie to all the other companies.


[edit]
you know whats really crazy here? Hes showing us a dell 620m, and he upgraded it til it cost him $2200 letting dell juice him. When a w3j costs exactly that. And the gpu in the 620 is a 7300 go equivelent.
I mean its a fine machine but its actually the equivelent of the asus s62j which would cost him about $1000 less lol. So were literally wasting our time assuming he was logical to start out with [/edit]

 

Stamar - you need to correct one thing.... Asus is what... top 3-4 now largest notebook producer in the world..... and honestly Dell can be the largest notebook seller in the world.. but that's all they are... they're buying their notebooks from people above Asus that make inferior products.. Now Dell has contracted Asus to make some model which I still haven't seen, but no doubt Asus won't be bragging about it..... but it's well know that the people keeping Asus in that top 5 worldwide are simply Sony and Apple..... and basically themselves... now they make one or two models here and there for basically everyone at one time or another including the below:

JVC: simply rebraded S200 / S300
Epson: rebraded and blue and grey chassis versions of the ensembles - yes the printer company - and only sold in japan
HP: a lot more stuff in their past.. basically think of the 2-3 models that were ever really good
Fujitsu: the relationship there is deep... they develop a lot of things directly with them and have patents on tons of things together
sharp: what Asus can do with ultra portables.... Asus has made every notebook with sharp's name plate on it
IBM: contracted them back six months before the Lenovo takeover.... the deal was squashed but IBM specifically stated they wanted systems like the S5n because their notebooks are the least attractive to women - but IBM knew their quality was just as good if not better than their own.

 

yes asus is 3rd or 4th largest manufacturer of notebooks in the world and dell is 0 largest manufacturer.

asus is probably also in the top 10 of its models sold under its own brand.

Hard to compare each apples to oranges. This comparison was the sales of the asus brand to the dell brand.

quanta makes some high quality notebooks as well like the macbook pro and the thinkpads, and the fujitsus ( asus doesnt make the fujitsu lifebooks that i have seen)
But they make a lot of mass produced cheap stuff too. So you say quanta makes inferior products but they make superior products too
Overall notebook manufacture is an incredibly complex industry not lending itself to any sort of generalization.
It could easily be its own economics course. It is one of the most complex markets in the world.

So heres the thing i would like to say, is that regardless of who the odm of the dell is, even this upcoming asus one, that the dell notebooks are all low quality. Its not the orignal manufacturer really.
Compal makes some nice notebooks too but inspirons are crap.

 

Sooooo you compared this to an ASUS with the nVidia Quadro graphics chipset...? You would get pretty crappy gaming performance on just about any modern 3D game with the Quadro, I doubt you'll come anywhere near the W3J in fps. Dell's business line is a little more reliable than their Inspirons, but that's true of all business versus home use laptops for any brand.

 

"Compal makes some nice notebooks too but inspirons are crap"

i never mentioned inspirion at all.

arguments, let's go one by one having in mind that it is possible that a vendor lies about something but "a vendor" can be any vendor, i.e. by default I, as a customer who is about to cash out a "downpayment for a house" i.e. more than two thousand hard earned dollars, I trust nobody by default and I am going to be surgically precise and microscopic about every single detail and what i get for every single **** cent i pay to ANY vendor:

quality argument
================

The Latitude D620 was conceived, designed and built with the rigors of the road in mind. Every Latitude notebook is stress-tested in extreme conditions to be sure that it can withstand the physical challenges it will meet in the course of any business day. These shock and fatigue tests, along with the D620's magnesium-alloy casing and steel hinges and patented Dell StrikeZoneTM technology, mean that you get a notebook that is designed to last, no matter how bumpy the road gets.

i do not know about you but i really like these STRESS tests in EXTREME conditions, these SHOCK and especially FATIGUE tests. if you wonder what is that just go to HP forum and see all the complaints about "wonderfull" dv8000t and its keyboard. thank you Mr. Dell.

i do not know about you but i also really like MAGNESIUM-ALLOY CASINGS and STEEL HINGES. thank you again Mr. Dell.

Available DIMM Slots:
Two Memory slots offering up to 4GB
Memory Bandwidth:
667MHz - 8.5 GB/s with dual channel

well, i like max. 4GB too, it ensures that my investment will have good ROI. thank you again Mr. Dell.


256MB NVIDIA® Quadro NVS 110M TurboCacheTM
The 256MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 110M offers all the latest graphics technology to produce extraordinary visual effects, robust wide-aspect LCD support and compatibility with all major business applications.


ATI x1600?

well, if you want to cache out bloody downpayment for a house to play some stupid game then you must be dumb, what else to say?




SATA hard drive. thank you again Mr. Dell. I like SATA HD:
Benefits of the SATA drives offered on Latitude notebooks:

* Password protection feature on the HDD. A password must be entered before the HDD can be accessed and the system boots. This provides an extra layer of data security.
* Faster, Improved data integrity, and Improved scalability



yes, i like security, security is one aspect of QUALITY:
SECURITY:
Physical Security:
Cable Lock Slots, Media Module and Hard Drive Locks.
User & System Security:
Integrated Smart Card Reader,
Trusted Platform Module 1.2 and
UPEKTM finger print reader.
Wave EmbassyTM Trust Suite by Wave Systems security software.

i must say i really like FINGERPRINT READER. every BMW should have it, period.


and finally Hyperconnectivity:
HyperConnectTM with Dell
The D620 is designed with wireless connectivity as a priority. It offers premium Wi-Fi productivity with dual-band Wi-Fi for connecting to any 802.11 a, b or g network and a special Dell Wi-Fi CatcherTM that constantly scans for wireless hotspots and notifies you whenever it detects one. Plus, with the integrated mobile broadband capability, you can connect to work resources using national cellular networks. That way, you can remain productive in taxis, airports, parks or wherever you find yourself doing business

well, if these are not quality then i do not know what is.




latitude D620 as configured on dell.ca
======================================

Latitude D620 Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 (2.00GHz) 667Mhz Dual Core

Operating Systems Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2, with media

LCDs 14.1 inch Wide Screen WXGA+ LCD Panel

Memory 2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM, 2 DIMMS

Graphics 256MB NVIDIA® Quadro NVS 110M TurboCache™

Hard Drives Free Upgrade to 100GB 7200RPM Hard Drive - $150 Value

Touchpad Options Touchpad with UPEK® Fingerprint Reader

Bluetooth Dell Wireless® 350 Bluetooth Module

AC Adapter 90W A/C Adapter

Module Bay Devices 8X DVD with Cyberlink Power DVD™

Wireless LAN (802.11) Dell Wireless™ 1490 802.11a/g Dual-band Mini Card

Resource CD Resource CD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers

Batteries 9 Cell Primary Battery

Support Services 3 Years Next Business Day Onsite

Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Business from XP Professional, ENG

TOTAL:$2,218.00


Asus flagship W3J as configured on milestonepc.com
==================================================

Asus Notebook W3J-H037P / Intel Core2 Dual T5500(1.66G)
1x1024M DDR2 667
100G 5400r HD
DVD RW
ATI X1600 256M PCI-E
Wireless abg
Bluetooth
14.1 WXGA
XP Pro
2 year global warranty
90W AC Adaptor90W AC Adaptor.......................................+69.00
Upgrade 100G 5400 HD to 100G 7200 HD (Hitachi)...................+$115.00
Upgrade 1024M to 2048M DDR2 667..................................+$149.00

TOTAL: $2,382.00

i.e. $164 price difference in favour of D620. but let's examine further.


Somebody said let's not compare apples and oranges. Having the closer look into "BMW" W3J I see following:
Intel Core2 Dual T5500(1.66G)

and then I take a look into "Trabant" D620 and I see following:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 (2.00GHz) 667Mhz Dual Core

this carries at least $250 in favour of D620 (total in favour of D620: 164 + 250 = $414)


then I take a look into BMW W3J and I see:
14.1 WXGA

and corresponding look into Trabant D620 and I see:
LCDs 14.1 inch Wide Screen WXGA+

this leads me to add +$100 in favour of D620 so now the total in favour of D620 is 164 + 250 + 100 = $514

and then my look remains fixed on Trabant D620 only as I can see nowhere in BMW nothing that resembles
UPEK® Fingerprint Reader

this is some additional $85 in favour of D620: 164 + 250 + 100 + 85 = $600

btw, Express Upgrade to Windows Vista Express carries at least $200 but i am not going to take that into account
otherwise it would be a disastrous comparison.

and then:
3 Years Next Business Day Onsite vs. 2 yr Global warranty for W3J

i am going to compensate ATI x1600 Quadro NVS 110M difference for this D620 advantage in service/protection

So bottom line is:

D620...................$2,218.00 + free express update to Windows Vista
W3J....................$2,382.00 + $600.00 = $2,982.00

i.e. EXACTLY as I said in my initial post: D620 is 75% of the price of W3J WITH THE QUALITY WHICH IS NOT LOWER THAN W3J.

or with Vista compensation: $2000 for D620 vs. $3000 for W3J. Now that is what i call SAVINGS!

so my message to all of you is: wake up and smell a cup of LATITUDE D620 AS FULL $1,000 IS AT STAKE!

 

Sorry dude, your math is just kah-ray-zee and again the Quadro cannot be compared to the X1000 line of ATI cards or the nVIDIA 7000 series. They are not in the same category---just do some basic research on the Quadro and you'll see what I mean.

Also, it sounds like you are extremely pro-Dell already seeing as how you took all of your information and descriptions directly from the Dell website which is far from objective in their praise for their own products. I mean, if I'm selling a $2000 laptop I made, I'm not going to put labels like "3 years of customer service---but you won't understand a **** thing the customer rep says!!!" or "Free software with purchase!---of course it's full of bloatware and crap so you'll need to reformat as soon as you get your notebook!" or "Fancy metal casing with your purchase! Course we took the idea from Asus to begin with but you won't be the wiser heheh...oh crap, did I write that out?!"

 

I think it will be bad for Asus if they start competing with their own customers.

 

Customizing an Ensemble is not a fair comparison.... A Built-On would be much fairer. I wouldn't call the W3J the 'flagship' exactly. It's one model, a very popular one, that has been around in various iterations for a rather long time.

The A8Js would be a much better comparison since is has WXGA+, a 2.0Ghz C2D, and is *cheaper* to begin with then a W3J, therefore invalidating the major cost parts of your argument completely. You don't give Asus any credit for the very scratch-resistant aluminum lid or any of the W3Js other features, anyway.

Other issues:
-I'm sure Asus does adverse environment testing too, they just don't see the need to put in on their marketing pages since it's kind of an assumed thing.
-If you really wanted to buy 2x2GB DIMMs, I bet you could put 4GB in an A8 or a W3.
-Asus uses DDR2-667 just like everyone else.
-A8Js has SATA drives
-Regular PATA hard drives support password protection anyway
-Saleability don't really matter since you only have room for one 2.5" drive in there
-X1600 >> Quadro 110 - that's the lowest end Quadro vs a mid-high ATI card.
-Asus includes the stupid Kingsten lock port and all the drives are screwed/locked in anyway
-The A8 series may even have the TPM module - not that I would enable it and let MS take over my PC
-Newer Asus models are coming that have fingerprint readers - but again, do you really want all your passwords tied to one thing?
-*ALL* Centrino/Core Duo/Core 2 Duo laptops come with the same Intel wireless solutions.

At any rate, reposting the Dell marketing page isn't going to get you very far. "Designed for the road"? Bull****, Dells are designed to be sold for the cheapest possible price with the highest possible margin in the highest possible volume.

The funny thing was when I did my laptop shopping in February of '06, the Dell 700m 12.1" everyone was raving over was still using a chipset from NOVEMBER 2004.

 

when i started this comparison i stated very clearly that " it is possible that a vendor lies about something but "a vendor" can be any vendor"

i.e. i am not in favour of ANY vendor. i am in favour of only one thing and one thing only MR. DOLLAR. Mr. hard earned dollar.

so i asked myself what i can get for that hard earned dollar. i started comparison using quality 14" products from both vendors. why quality?
because laptops are sensitive machines. we already know they are expensive whether they cost 1500 or 2000 or 2500. it is expensive, period.

it is a downpayment for a house for god's sake. so the decision is to go with QUALITY. w3j IS quality as one Asus expert in the thread pointed out.
Latitude line IS the quality in Dell line. to be in quality domain laptop have to have either Aluminum, or Magnesium-alloy, or carbon reinforced plastic polycarbonat and similar. based on that i eliminate rigs. i do not think A8.. have ANY of these things. its a toy basically.

therefore, there are only W3J and D620 to compare regarding quality domain.
i never denied W3J quality. my point was that quality in Asus is PRICEY just like Thinkpad and Sony. my point was also that D620 is AT LEAST that level of quality.
and contra-argument was?
that Dell is laying?

what the Dell is laying about?
Magnesium alloy casing?
stress testing etc.
components?
hard drive protector patented?
the list goes on and on

and i say IT IS GOOD TO BE SUSPICIOUS ABOUT CLAIMS. but not one, all claims. let's see the description and duration of these stress extreme conditions testing and QA process. lets check ripoff web site and see what users are saying. lets see BBB site as well. let's check everything.

and as i mentioned w3j is the only laptop that i know whose price went from $1750 to $2050 in last 5 months. are we talking 2 digit inflation here? what are we talking about? WXGA? 1G instead of 2G? no fingerprint reader? no free Vista express update?

we are talking about $1000 DIFFERENCE IN FAVOUR OF D620.

EVEN IF, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS TRUE, IF WE ASSUME W3J IS MORE QUALITY WISE THAN D620, DOES THAT JUSTIFY $1000 DIFFERENCE IN PRICE TAG of the whole package? no i do not think so

 

Your statements seem to indicate otherwise.

I'm pretty sure Asus is using 10% carbon fiber in all their laptops now, even the A8.

Better call Oliver North...

I didn't realize copy-pasting Dell's website was being suspicious about claims.

New models, and supply and demand. Supply is low right now during the CPU switch, so maybe some vendors are tacking a few hundered more onto MSRP?

Anyone buying an Ensemble after yesterday gets Vista.

Too bad it looks like every other Dell brick out there, it's heavy, and the lid will be all scratched to hell in a year.

I guess it does, since there are constant supply problems with the W3J and vendors sell out all the time. In Europe Asus is a Top 10 vendor.

 

Look, Bran, if you want to buy a dell, go right ahead. You yourself do not need to convince other than yourself that you are happy with your purchase. There is no need for argument.

However, you must see you have posted in the Asus forum. People may tend to be bias towards their products, and it's okay. Just remember, it's your money. Buy what you want with it.

Plain and simple.

 

fyi: Asus is in good standing with the Better Business Bureau. Dell is under investigation and currently trying to work something out.

In all seriousness though, it seems like everyone's talking in circles in this thread. Bran, I think you made a good choice for your needs. I'm sure the Latitude 620 will work out well for you. In answer to your question of why the W3J is more expensive, I think the W3J is more expensive for primarily 3 reasons: 1. components, 2. compay profile, and 3. warrantee.

Regarding components, Asus generally uses very high-end (read: expensive) screens on the W models, which adds to the price. Next, the W3J has a more powerful graphics card, which adds to the price. Then the biggest thing that adds to the price is that with this performance graphics card and other powerful components, it's also thin, because Asus Ensembles are designed to look good as well as be functional. And the R&D and thermal system to make it work isn't cheap. So you're paying more for having a stylish as well as powerful notebook. It also has a modular bay, which gives you the ability to switch out the optical drive for a second hard drive or a second battery whenever needed, and it doesn't affect the form factor. This also costs money. The real advantages of the Dell in components are in customization, SATA, and the fingerprint reader. The other "special" things in the 620 description are, to put it bluntly, Dell blowing smoke. All OEM's do it, and you'll see a whole lot of it on Asus' site as well, but the resellers often assume that customers don't need that kind of propaganda and leave it out. Any modern hard drive can be password-protected in BIOS, and Intel's wireless card performs just as well as Dell's does.

Dell's biggest price advantage is in their company profile. They're number one in consumer notebook sales, so they can make great deals and get the notebook chassis at less cost. Plus, they're not a manufacturer so they don't have to spend all that time and money on R & D. Asus does, so their notebooks cost more because they're spending more money on them.

And last, the warrantee costs more. This may seem odd considering that Dell has a three-year warrantee and Asus only has two, but the keyword is global. Dell's warrantee is only good in the United States, and your service level will vary with what "tier" customer you are. Asus' warantee is good all over the world, and they have the infrastructure to support it. And since they are the manufacturer, turnaround and problem resolution is faster because they know their systems better than anyone.

So in my opinion there are some good reasons why the W3J costs more than the Latitude 620. However, that doesn't mean that it's the notebook for you. The best notebook for you is one that meets all of your needs but not necessarily one that has stuff you won't use. It seems like your notebook fits that perfectly, and I wish you well.

p.s.: Asus is also offering free upgrades to Vista on systems sold between now and February.

 

wow id love to help you but the list you printed shows the d620 costs 2000...

What you are having trouble with is customizing the notebook, either the dell or the w3j.

You cant do that, its a rip off. you have to buy them as is. Other than that your actual numbers are so weird that im not even sure youre using the same mathamatics.

The d620 is worth like ?$500 or more less than a w3j, right out of the box. the chassis and gpu are lower....

 

I think one major problem in Bran comparisson is the grafics card. It's not just the value of the card that has to be considered. A grafics card like the x1600 produces a lot more heat then the one in the dell d620. Therefore you need a more sophisticated cooling system. That calls for a better designed chassis (because you have to fit all that stuff in there).

All this is the reason why you cant put a x1600 in the dell d620. It just isn't designed for that. And this makes the w3j a lot more expensive over the d620.

 

fill out the faq in the what should i buy thread youll get a lot of help with whatever your question is if you follow that format

 

My Compliments to djembe. I have not seen a more thorough or objective comparision of two notbook in a long time, it's refreshing after reading throught this thread. In the end though asus uses better components so they will be more expensive, Dell uses cheaper components so the will be less expensive. you have to decide what you wan't.

 

bran= the new krconsul..for those you who've been here a while you know who i'm talking about

bran- if you want a dell go buy one..yes it is cheaper..and if all you want is a cheap notebook, i won't stop you..but do not come into the asus forum and try to justify the dell..if you wanted to do that you should have asked dell 620 owners on the dell forum

 

are you dumb or what?? pls enlighen me how Core Duo (W3J or BMW) is better than Core 2 Duo (D620 Dell Trabant)?? pls enlighten the world.

HOW SOMETHING THAT IS 40% SLOWER CAN BE BETTER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS 40% FASTER?????

i thought i'll get some serious arguments here and all i got is bla-bla.

 

"bran- if you want a dell go buy one..yes it is cheaper"

the point is not what i'll buy, the point is what is the better deal: Asus W3J or Dell D620.

fast, good, cheap - select any two. this is an old saying.

when it comes to Dell D620 i claim: it is fast. it is good. and it is cheap. to me that translates to: D620 is BETTER than W3J which is good, relatively fast but cheap NO WAY, it is TOO PRICEY. realistically speaking its price should be exactly $2,050 - $800 = $1,250. why $1,250? because, when i add all things that MUST be there, like 100GB HD 7200RPM, 2gb 667mhZ ddr2, 90mwh AC adapter, fingerprint reader, 9 cell battery, WXGA+ LCD, express Vista upgrade, when i add all that, which is MANDATORY in today's laptop scene, i would be at above $2,000 price tag, somwhere around $2,200, exactly there where Dell D620 stands in this very moment.

whether i'll buy D620 or not has to do with this discussion as the question whether Hungary has access to see or not

 

somebody mentioned s62j and compared it with D620 Dell. lol.

here I configured quickly that piece of cheap plastic called s62j and got price tag: $2,160US!

http://www.pugetsystems.com/configmobile.php?sys_id=47

System Core
Motherboard Asus S62J 14.1 inch Notebook
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz ETA 10/30
Ram 2 x Super Talent SODIMM PC2-5400 1024mb
Sound Card Onboard Sound

Storage
Hard Drive Hitachi Travelstar 100GB 7200RPM 2.5 inch SATA
CD / DVD Asus 8x DVD+/-RW for S62J

Accessories
Accessories Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Mini-PCIe Card
Services Warranty: Lifetime Labor, 2 Year Parts

Software
OS Windows XP Pro OEM SP2


$200 more for Asus plastic than for Dell D620 three-metal Magnesium-alloy casing!?

are you kidding? lol

 

and finally, some "engineers" here say that the reason Dell did not put ATI x1600 card in D620 is because it is, well, hard thing to do. lol.

read my post. it is 14" laptop for God's sake. it is meant to be portable. The slogan Dell puts for this laptop says EXACTLY that: portable ANYWHERE, I mean ANYWHERE, hotspot scanner works even when the lid is closed, in a cab, in a desert. Portable means: A LOT OF BATTERY POWER for God's sake.

how can you achieve that with ridiculous power consumption of ATI x1600???

i would personally despise Dell if they did such a stupid thing as to put x1600 in D620

-Strike Zone Shock absorbers
-Tri-Metal Chassis
-11,000 hours of stress testing

Sounds like Asus? no, it is D620, the ultimate driving machine

 

what about the consumer that wants a small portable laptop with a good graphics card?

 

there are literaly THOUSANDS of combinations, features, models, ensebles, .

carefully measure every cent, every feature, think carefully what you gonna buy.

anything less than 14" is too small and not comfortable for work. anything bigger than 14" is not portable. you'll get tired after typing on <14" subpar keyboards. when it comes to keyboard think Thinkpad 14". if you need cheap 14", but good, that last, but cheap, go for Thinkpad T30 used certified Lenovo, possibly on eBay, it can be boosted to 2GB contra spec which says 1GB max, and with integrated Atheros wireless it can be purchased for $500. this is the route i selected and i am shopping right now for T30. my goal: $400US

for gaming, buy 17" DTR, enjoy films and multi media.

but if it must be new machine, portable, go for Dell Latitude D620 because it is quality for less money. new Thinkpad is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE, JUST LIKE ASUS, JUST LIKE SONY.

for 17" i recommend HP dv8230ca core duo (but not dv8000t which is US model, has problem with keyboard). works like a charm, sturdiest plastic laptop out there, relatively cheap, $1100, but not for high end gaming (Nvidia Go7400/128). for specifically gaming laptop go with Sager

 

I would considre the w3j more portable than a d620 + any 17" DTR ... and cheaper.

Your like saying a knife is better than a leatherman, because it has a longer blade while being lighter. A scissors is better than a leatherman, because it has a better handling. Tongs are better than a leatherman, because you can apply way more pressure with tongs. And all these things are cheaper than the leatherman.

But when you look at the result: In cases where you need a knife, scissors and tongs - who wouldn't take the leatherman?

It's just that the w3j can do way more than the d620. But if you only need a knife, you wouldn't buy the leatherman. So don't buy the w3j if you don'T want to use grafic-intensive programs.

But pls stop comparing those two laptops. They are NOT in the same category. Or do you also compare boats and trucks buy looking at the horsepower and the build quality?

 

As various people mentioned, they are different, yet similiar, but obviously targeted at different audiences/consumers.

A warning before this could play into a flame war, stop it, and calm down.

And not sure where you customized the Z62j, I did the same thing on another dealer(BTOTech) and it was only $1491.

Oh, and bran come on, you do know better to come into a forum where everyone is pro-ASUS and are fanboys(girls)(You have to admit, its true ), and put it down based on paper, without actually seeing/touching the machine. True they don't sell in retail but thats what makes it so exclusive, makes us feel good inside

 

If you have trouble figuring out how to compare and shop for a notebook ( you do)
you need to fill out the faq in the what should I buy thread.

You dont even know barely how to compare the prices on notebook models. You have no frame of reference. You dont even know which is more expensive because youre just adding expensive options to each.
Im not going to repeat myself again.

If you want to get in touch with people who know a lot more about it than you do, do it. For free
If you want to stay ignorant do that to and get in touch with it.

 

Thanks, this the first post which gives some concrete info.
I'm a dell fan, and I agree with u'r points.
Though for me, Asus's value proposition is just not good enough.

Dell also has the advnatge of having very good sales. I got the precison M90 17" laptop in my sig, new, for under 1700 pre tax.
256MB NVIDIA Quadro FX 1500M.
Screen is absolutely STUNNING.
3 year onsite next day warranty.

 

The difference between a Core Duo and a Core 2 Duo is much, much less then 40%. Most application and gaming situations show little to no difference at the same clock speed. The biggest difference is a 10-20% increase in speed in encoding tasks, but that's about it.

Because the power consumption on that workstation Quadro card is soooo low....

I'm sure Asus does plenty of testing as well.

Sounds like someone is jealous of those with larger budgets.

 

The Dell Latitude D620 has a modular bay.

Asus W3J 13" (length) x 9.7" (width) x 1.18"-1.28" (height) 5.4lbs
Dell Latitude D620 13.3" (length) x 9.4" (width) 1.2" (height) 5.4 lbs

How is the Asus thinner and lighter?

Please get your facts straight when you're grasping for reasons to say Asus is better than Dell.

Why are you guys even comparing these laptops? They don't even have the same league of graphics card.

If anything, the XPS m1210 should be compared..but that's already been overdone around here anyway.

 

"You dont even know barely how to compare the prices on notebook models."

nope, you do, lol


"You have no frame of reference."

come, come, elucidate your thoughts, lol

"You dont even know which is more expensive because youre just adding expensive options to each."

offcourse i do, how else to compare? to use different options for each? lol


"Im not going to repeat myself again."

now, THIS is very good point. cudos to you dude

 

Alright... this has gone on long enough. Time to put out the flame...

Next time, try to have a more civilized debate/discussion about notebooks from different manufacturers.