My 8600m gt got replaced by 9500m gs on asus g1s....

Hey guys, I have my asus g1s repaired 2 weeks ago since it couldn't boot up the windows. They told me that the problem lies on the motherboard and they replaced my mobo with a new one. When i went to collect my notebook, i did some check on my hardware, and i noticed that the graphic card that used to be 8600m gt 256mb has been replaced by 9500m gs 1gb. I asked them about it and they told me that the old version of mobo is out of stock, hence they replaced it with newer version, and the graphic card is dedicated. So, my concern is that, will my new graphic card perform better than the old one? I am afraid that i have been cheated by the service center, so i really need some opinion about this. Thanks a lot~

 

Is the 9500M GS a DDR2? If yes, I think it might perform slightly slower than or equal to your old 8600M GT DDR3.

[EDIT]

Accordig to this, it should be slower if I did not misinterpret it.

 

8600M GT is the 9500M GS, same card, different name. You got the better deal with one of the newer mobo.

 

If your old graphic card is DDR3, and your current card is DDR2, then your current card will perform little bit slower then old one. If both are same DDR2, then both cards will perform same.

 

G1s has a 8600GT GDDR3.

Check the RAM on your 9500GS

 

I believe the G1S laptops had DDR3 versions of the 8600m GT. It's pretty darn rare to find a 256 MB DR2 8600m GT (I think those were labelled as the 8600m GS). The 9500m GS is definitely DDR2. DDR3 versions are labelled 9600m GT.

So... you've been snookered. Not by terribly much but 10% better performance is definitely something to fight for if you've been cheated like that.

Both cards were dedicated and the 1gb of ram means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. In fact, it may even be limiting your system if you're on a 32 bit OS with 3-4 GB of ram.

 

Thanks for the replies, guys. I am still at work, will check my graphic card once i get home. But i know my old graphic card, 8600M GT is GDDR3. Not sure about the current one, is there any GDDR3 on 9500M GS?

 

I prefer to the 9500gs
8600gt is so hot. I think u dont want to burn it again

 

If I were in your position I would take the Geforce 9500M GS DDR2 over the Geforce 8600M GT DDR3 for the single fact that the older G84's are defective and at any rate could burn out on you, while the Geforce 9500M GS although about 10% slower and also running on the same G84 architecture will run cooler especially since the soldering problems which were the main cause of the defects have been addressed.

 

Well.. thats a big sigh of relief, hopefully the 1gb vram of 9500M GS will compensate the loss of GDDR3

 

Wont make a difference, it can't even use more then 256MB.

 

At least he got the 1GB version of the Geforce 9500M GS instead of the 512MB one.

Sets better in one’s mind knowing there was a tad more money spent in the production of the 1GB version over the 512MB one to make up in some composition value in regards to a replaced product which was somewhat more powerful. Who knows maybe the 1GB VRAM would for whatever reason prove more sufficient when working with large images and textures in Photoshop.

 

youre lucky: there are lots of problems with the 8600 versions, so now youll have a slighty less performant gpu, thats coller, doesnt have probs, and if you want, can be OC'ed higher!

you wont notice a big difrence believe me

 

Not worth fighting it. This is how Asus repairs their current G1S by replacing them with the newer G1Sn (newer Mobo with 9500GS - mine is currently in RMA and they are replacing the MOBO)

Like someone mentionned above (Simonov I think). The 9500GS runs cooler and sounds like it overclocks better.

Taken from notebookcheck.net :

9500GS
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Series GeForce 9000M
Codename G84-50
Pipelines 32 - unified
Core Speed * 475 MHz
Shader Speed * 950 MHz
Memory Speed * 700 MHz
Memory Bus Width 128 Bit
Memory Type GDDR2 / GDDR3
Max. Amount of Memory 512 MB
Shared Memory no
DirectX DirectX 10, Shader 4.0
Transistors 289 Million
technology 80 nm
Features Shader mit 950 MHz getaktet

8600 GT
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Series GeForce 8M
Codename G84M
Pipelines 32 - unified
Core Speed * 475 MHz
Shader Speed * 950 MHz
Memory Speed * 700 MHz
Memory Bus Width 128 Bit
Memory Type GDDR3, GDDR2
Max. Amount of Memory 512 MB
Shared Memory no
DirectX DirectX 10, Shader 4.0
Current Consumption 20 Watt
Transistors 289 Million
technology 80 nm

The 9500GS yields about 300 pts in 3DMark05 over the 8600GT. (5870 vs 6170)

 

Download GPU-Z, then let us know what's under memory type.

 

If I'm not mistaken, all the G84s are defective. Its a matter of time usually.

It does not. It's like taking your old pentium 4 and pairing it with a GTX 295. Even worse as the 9500m GS actually physically can NOT address that much memory.

I don't think there's much difference. They're the same essentially except for the vram.

See above. It PHYSICALLY can NOT address that much vram.

Wouldn't trust notebookcheck. They carry out those tests with vastly differing systems (whatever they can get). The DDR3 does actually make a large difference.

The 9500m GS is DDR2.


Essentially, you've been snookered as I said before. See what you can do about it. The 9500m GS might run a bit cooler. I really don't know but I do know it will not be as fast.

 

Hey I m in the same situation, they replaced my 8600m gt for the 9500m gs. I m quite happy cause i had a lot of problem.

Anyone knows which is the best driver for it? The new 185.20?

 

9500M GS is slower than 8600M GT DDR3..
but then it is much cooler and won't randomly self explode so the trade off is worth it

Just do 3DMark benching and you can see the difference in score

 

Huh? Haha I have an 8600m GT in my Vostro 1500 and it doesn't randomly explode!

 

Quoted for future use

 

Just wait then


Just kidding











But seriously....just wait

 

I had a Vostro 1500 too, and the difference is that the 1500 has the best cooling of any 8600M GT equipped laptop out there. I don't remember hitting even 80 celcius, even with my mad overclocked frequencies.

 

Did you monitor and log the GPU temperatures while gaming?

I will be very surprised if your GPU never goes beyond 80C.

 

If I have problems with my 8400m gs in my xps m1330, I hope Dell replaces it with a motherboard with a 9300m gs.

Count yourself lucky....

 

My G1S goes up to 107°c

 

Well, ASUS replaced my GF8600 GT too, and im not happy about it... maybe I will return notebook to ASUS. Reclaim my Money.

 

I have acer 5920g my GPU is OC to 650,1540,450 and I'm hitting 81C in 3DMark

 

Why does the 8600M GT "explode randomly"? Is it because it gets too hot? My GPU temp while gaming is almost 100 degree celsius.

Do I risk killing my GPU when gaming at such temps? Should I wait 4 months until the 2 year warranty is over and I replace the cooling paste until I game again?

I want my notebook to last a few more years. An exploding GPU wouldn't help me achieve that...

 

Yeah I'm sure about the temps. Even the notebook I have now won't get over 81C at stock clocks.

 

You may regret asking that question Here is the definitive answer:

Part 1: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/378/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective

Part 2: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/947/1013947/nvidia-should-defective-chips

Part 3: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/374/1036374/nv-should

And a followup: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/052/1050052/nvidia-chips-show-underfill-problems

Edit: Basically reading all that is overkill tho, the short answer is that Nvidia botched their engineering and OEMs and users the world over are paying the price. (begin flamewar now... sorry *sigh*)

 

Ok, you were right! So, all that remains to do is...

1. Buy a notebook cooler
2. Apply some good paste as soon as possible
3. Use the GPU as little as possible
4: Pray?

ARGH!

 

Actually, if I read the articles right, the best thing to do is all that (if you're out of warranty, for the thermal paste part), and turn your G1S off and on as little as possible... in other words... "thermal cycling" it less so as to not aggravate the problem. That's about all I can think of. That applies to cold boots, not reboots. It's impossible to avoid when transporting it, but the idea is to turn it off as little as possible when you're using it in one place.

 

Get a decent notebook cooler asap. I got a NYZT Cryo LX cooler for my C90 and it cut GPU temps from 75C -80C down to 60C. And lowered CPU temps from 55C to 30-35C. This is just normal use not games however. Still a worthwhile purchase, especially with the hot G1S and C90S.

 

I have a Vostro 1500 with an 8600m GT (as on my signature below) and with the Core 2 Extreme it got quite hot. I use a Playstation 2 emulator on it a lot and this managed to get temperatures of about 95 degrees coming up...not sure how accurate I8kfanGUI is with the Vostro 1500. Anyway, it was working fine but was a little scary so I bought some IC Diamond 7 thermal compound (instead of Arctic Silver 3...I think), put it on my CPU and GPU and now it maxes at about 80 degrees! I don't know how thermal compound made that much difference but now I am quite convinced synthetic diamond compound is a lot better than the silver stuff.

 

My 8600gt in fl90 died on me last week, no video signals... after 1 year and half of use. And, for all of you who still thinks that nvidia crap other new products are good...

Take a look:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...le-macbook-pros-have-nvidia-bad-bump-material

A company that simply always lies in our faces, and get our hard earned bucks for crap products that don't last and broke...

With my experience, I never will buy anything from nvidia again!!

 

Ahhh ... guy's ive got a problem over here.... the GF 9500 GS running idle with 799 mhz, everytime i start a Game or Bench is down to 399 mhz... ?

tested with Vista 64 and Windows 7 x64...

I hate Asus...

First Pic: 3D Bench/Game

Second: Windows Idle

 

Can you confirm that the real-life performance drops? Otherwise I suspect it is just a case of the clocks being read incorrectly by RivaTuner; and the card is actually switching to higher clocks. Usually RivaTuner just makes small mistakes of a few cycles, but with very new cards it is possible it makes much bigger mistakes.

 

Well it looks like the rivatune is incorrect. Since GPU-Z tells me 800 mhz with DDR2.

My old G1s had DD3 and 1400 mhz Ram....