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    How hot does YOUR laptop get?

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by Fiah, Dec 14, 2006.

  1. Fiah

    Fiah Notebook Guru

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    Recently I found the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool, and to my surprise it was far more effective in heating up my laptop than either Folding@Home or Prime95. So effective even, that my laptop would crash in seconds without undervolting, and reaches 80 degrees Celsius with undervolting in a rather cool room (19C).

    So I wonder, does it crash all laptops? Save your data, try running the tool, load your CPU (both cores if you have 2) and see if your laptop crashes or not :)

    http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392/mirrors.php

    edit: I have an ASUS F3Ja with a T7200 cpu

    edit: to clarify, only vote if you ran the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool!
     
  2. 4cefed4

    4cefed4 Notebook Evangelist

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    I ran the tool without undervolting on both cores. Both shot up to the mid 70s and stayed there pretty constantly. I only ran the tool for 1-1.5 minutes because I didn't want to set me new computer on fire or anything, haha.
     
  3. MilestonePC.com

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    Just as a good measure, I will test my C2D E6300 stock cooling, no overclocking and stock voltages. I also recently got this program roughly 2 days ago and love it.

    Remember this is my desktop.
    Both Cores 100% Load
    Both Core hover at 65-66 Degree Celcius, while the CPU fan spins at a whopping 28000rpm, yes the sound is noticeable about 3 feet away, and it a "whirr" type sound.
    I ran TAT for 2 minutes.

    Also, those who do test please tells us what laptop you have and specs, or specify that the specs are in sig. :D
     
  4. lord roddington

    lord roddington Notebook Enthusiast

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    lol that was scary.
    i've got a w3j and when i ran it the two cores hovered between 75 and 76. i don't think either of them ever hit 77. once the cores hit 75 it fires the fan up to full speed. the air coming out of there is hot too, but actually i think the air was at its hottest in the 70-75 range, due to the lower fan speed. i'm a little scared as to what would happen if i put 100% load on the x1600 at the same time - games certainly don't seem to get the laptop that hot, so it must not be using the cpu 100%.

    what also amazed me was how fast it cooled off once i turned off the cpu load - it dropped down into the 50s in under 15 seconds, especially once i switched the p4g mode back to quiet office.

    edit: missed milestone pc's post, my w3j has the t2500, 2 gigs of ram, x1600 - basically it has the ingredients to get really hot, especially in 14". congrats to asus for making a cooling system that seems to be adequate

    edit2: just fyi, even at 100% on both cores, my music never even studdered - yay!
     
  5. Fiah

    Fiah Notebook Guru

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    i'm suprised that your laptop stays reasonably cool .. mine overheats in under a minute

    apparently the cooling system on my F3Ja sucks?
     
  6. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    I asked the mods numerous times to ban these topics or make a sticky thats says "Under full load your laptop should run between 70C and 80C without undervolting". If you see 85C it is still normal. Above 90C i would worry and clean your fans. In the history of all asus laptops i ve tested i would say that 70-80C is the average for full load without undervolting. Very few will stay coller then 70C on full load. It depends on the cpu, the heatsink and the way it is made. If you have temps reaching 85C at full load it is completely normal. My m5n which is now over 2 years of age reaches past 85C if i try and idles at about 70C. I use it alot and its been running great. Please please do not pour flame on the fire and stop making these threads that only make people worry about their perfectly working laptop.
     
  7. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    If it does it is not becuase your laptop is overheating. Please define crash. Based on your temp 80C is definitely not overheating. Make sure you test without undervolting. What does it reach without undervolting? 85C? that is still within range.
     
  8. dcw1

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    my z70va would get up to 97C when gaming on full load and not undervolted. Thats with cleaned out fans. After undervolting my system rarley gets above 70C the GPU is a different story on full load it get to 100C or a little above thats at default.
     
  9. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    You shoudl replace your heatsink. A new one will make sure it does not reach past 90C. Known issue actually. Rare but been known to happen. "heatpipe rupture" can be cause by user assembly is disassembly
     
  10. Fiah

    Fiah Notebook Guru

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    I'm calling my shots as I see them, and when I run the TAT, it crashes my laptop after reaching peak temperatures of 90 degrees. At that point (after what I guess is 30 seconds into the test), the tool indicates that thermal throttling is active and the laptop momentarily cools down to 70C. Then, after a few seconds the thermal throttling is deactivated and it shoots up to 90C again, crashing soon after.

    I've had this laptop for nearly 2 months now, and I've never seen temperatures this high. Running 2 instances of Prime95 makes it toasty, but not in excess of 80C. Running Folding@Home (again, 2 instances) heats it up to 65C to 70C. Running Folding@Home while playing a game brought it up to 80C. Running the TAT ran it up to 90C and crashed the system. See the pattern?

    Maybe there is some problem with the configuration (not the hardware) that causes my laptop to crash when thermal throttling is active. Maybe my laptop just crashes at 90C, I just haven't figured that out yet.

    edit: oh my mistake, I usually undervolt my laptop, so all those temperatures are with undervolting active except for TAT, I'll see how toasty it gets with Folding@Home without undervolting.

    FYI, I can run the TAT just fine with undervolting

    edit2: running Folding@Home at default voltage gives me temps of about 75C, which is pretty normal I guess.
     
  11. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    i thought you said 80C
    90 is definitely a little over the concerned threshold
    We dont sell the f3 series period due to the inherent faulty audio dj.
    How does your laptop perform on extended tests such as 3dmark or other utils which push it to full load?
     
  12. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    I do indeed. See what others exprience with other notebooks. You will not find alot of f3j owners around these parts.
     
  13. usapatriot

    usapatriot Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    As said above, start worrying when the temp hits 90c and above. If its below that, its normal!
     
  14. Gotei 13

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    I used that Intel program and left it for 10 minutes on my V6J. I came back and the temp was only 63C at 100% workload. The V6J is a thin laptop so that is a pretty good temp.
     
  15. Fiah

    Fiah Notebook Guru

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    the first time i tested it, i only saw 80C before it crashed. I wasn't paying attention tho, so I posted a bit prematurely :)

    i never had other problems, even playing Half Life for hours at a time, but I haven't looped 3Dmark2005 for a day or other complete system tests. However, I did test Prime95.
     
  16. exxi

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    max 75 A8js
     
  17. rwei

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    Ran it for 5 minutes on an A8Jm with 1.83GHz CD UV'ed to 1.000V.

    Temperature was constant at 50/56 for the two cores and here's the kicker: the fan never came off its lowest speed.

    After that it heated up further and the fan spun up for a second to cool it down, then spun back down. It reached equilibrium at 51/56 with the fan mostly on its lowest speed. fyi, equilibrium: rate of energy gain from internal heat sources=rate of energy loss to cooling system. Meaning I could leave it there indefinitely and it would stay at that temperature.

    I'd say I did fairly well =P
     
  18. E.B.E.

    E.B.E. NBR Procrastinator

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    My 1.83 GHz V6J shot up relatively quickly to 70 degrees, and then slowly climbed to 80 where it stabilized.

    I'm not using undervolting.
     
  19. stamar

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    70/74 asus a8js
     
  20. CalebSchmerge

    CalebSchmerge Woof NBR Reviewer

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    1.66 Ghz V6j ran for 5 minutes, and was around 69-72, kept changing, and I have no idea if the cooling system was even all the way kicked in. Its a stock V6j with a spare 1 GB stick in it.
     
  21. Tinderbox (UK)

    Tinderbox (UK) BAKED BEAN KING

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    I ran the Intel Thermal Analysis Tool, and i got a blue screen of death and a immediate re-boot.

    I have an celeron-m 420 + a VIA P4m890 chipset.

    regards.

    John.
     
  22. dcw1

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    Really?? Its been like that since the day i bought it. Its now been over a year though. So im guessing id have to fork out my owne money to fix the problem that has obviously been there since day one? How much are they and where can i purchase one?
     
  23. Laum

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    I did the test with my A8js. And it was irritating. Temperature stuck to around 70 (+-1) celsius and the fan constantly kept switching from max to medium rev and vice versa. It was like 5 secs it kept running on the maximum/medium revs >.<

    I have undervolted the T7200 cpu to 1.0125V when at 2GHz and I have also changed the termal paste between the cooler and cpu/gpu to arctic silver. So looks like my computer really runs a bit cooler than an average A8Js. Although I don't know whether it's good or not that the fan keep changing revs constantly :s
     
  24. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    well my cpu gave 2 tempertatures it was 70 and 74. so one of my cores was the same as yours with as5 and the other was 4 c more.

    Eddie at geared2play said that as5 doesnt change the temperature of the new cpus at all so Im interested enough to make sure.
     
  25. Laum

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    Yeah, I don't know. My core0 was 68 degrees and core1 70.

    The original cooling paste was very dry so changing it to as5 might have dropped a few degrees off. And there actually is a bigger change because my fan didn't run at full speed all the time. Still, I mostly/only changed the paste because I could change it :p If we could overclock this laptop, then the cooling paste might play a bigger role.
     
  26. Geared2play.com

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    uNDER proper tesing conditions you will find that there is little to no variation between new thermal paste (not new cpu) and dry thermal paste. After a few months as5 may cool it slightly better. A few degrees would be a big leap. Testing conditions should involve running the same test for the same duration of time with both dry and wet. Offering arctic silver free of charge for over a year now.
    Hmmmmm, interesting. Somehow i take that as a slap in the face. :)
     
  27. Laum

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    Yeah, I think so too. Difference between different cooling pastes is minimal. Although I also rubbed the heatsink about 10-15 minutes with as5 and a paper. This made it a lot smoother and a lot of scratches went off. This might explain that few degree drop.
     
  28. D.A.

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    Been running for more than 5 minutes now, Both cores is at 60C and thermal zone at 64C. This was with U/V.

    Without U/V cores are 69/70 and thermal zone of 73.
     
  29. Fiah

    Fiah Notebook Guru

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    i have since cleaned my laptop fan/heatsink, the temperature dropped over 10C! :eek:

    i never imagined it could get this dirty in just 2 months
     
  30. stamar

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    Oh um, I read something you said that the as5 doesnt change the temperature on the c2d I think its on your forum so I figured you would know more than most anyone

    Theres nothing scientific going on but the other owner said it lowered 2-4 c so Im just trying to organize facts. I dont want to void a warranty to put as5 on my cpu but I can see upgrading the cpu when the warranty is older or expired, and if it does work then I would get it.
     
  31. Gator

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    Well, if you don't apply it correctly or apply too much, and the auto-shutdown is disabled in the BIOS, and you burn out your CPU, yeah you're out of luck.

    Otherwise, AS5 theoretically and empirically lowers the temperature of your CPU just because silver is a better conductor than standard thermal paste. You want to substitute the space or air between the heatsink and the CPU with a conductive material to facilitate better heat transfer. I wish they'd just do this standard and add the negligible cost into the cost of the laptop, as the very thin coating of AS5 probably costs just as much or less than the thermal paste.
     
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    On my G1, I'm getting 86-87 after around 5 minutes. Room temperature is around 18-20C. This TAT is interesting, but really I don't think I've ever been able to get the temperatures so high with normal use; the max I've seen was 73 after gaming. Also, after stopping TAT, the temperature immediately dropped to 71-74, and quickly continued to float down to idle temperatures within a couple of minutes.
     
  33. AlexF

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    You think that's scary? My V1 was at like 95C and both cores were hovering at like 90C for about a minute or two and the fan didn't kick into high speed mode yet at that point. -_- I don't plan on scrapping my 2k$+ laptop on this, but I think I already knew the thermals were a bit of an issue if you push it...
     
  34. loopty

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    Undervolted I got up to 83/83 after about 20 minutes. The weird part though is that the fan never kicked up to high. I'm suspecting that the Intel program is not able to properly control the fan on the V1 series. When I run Prime95 the fans kick into high just fine.
     
  35. Fehr

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    :) :) :) :) :( :( :( :(

    My NVprobe program is bogus on my G1.. I load it up and it talks about unable to load Dlls. So I cant see what my CPU temp is. The tray icon of some other for of NVprobe which has an icon that reads "normal" and last night I noticed it read "FAtal" after playing stalker for a while. Does that mean I'm overheating? Or just reaching the below the limit before auto shut down.

    How would anyone recommend me getting my CPU to be monitored?


    My Nvidia card has a temp monitor panel in the advanced settings, it reaches 78 C, then drops when I'm done playing Stalker.

    :( :( :( :( :) :) :) :)
     
  36. dementor

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    I ran it on my A8Jr for 7 minutes at 100% cpu load on CPU0 and CPU1 (standard settings no U/C).
    Max Temp of 68 and a max thermalzone of 69.
    Sounded as if the CPU fan sped up appropriately without any hitches.
    This is actually comforting to know because i always wondered about temps. The most impressive was how quickly it cooled down... it webt from 68 to 54 in a matter of 30 secs.
     
  37. alweky

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    my laptop's cpu has been recently getting really hot, up wards to the high 80Cs, and low 90Cs. This is not really normal for me as I usually get max of 84Cs, when playing video games and this worries me. What is reason for this? It is because some of the vents have been really dusty? and how would i solve this problem?
     
  38. MilestonePC.com

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    alweky its ok to compare gaming temps and idle temps from notebook to notebook, but sometimes other factors come into play.

    The Asus Z70v and va are known for being very warm laptops, people would undervolt their laptops using NHC or RMClock and even SpeedFan to control the fans to make them more efficient in cooling.

    When I game on my laptop I see temps in the high 70's, the max I have seen was 79 degrees celcius when playing C&C3 and my idle temp is about 50, but this is on a V1JP.

    I have tested many laptops and reviewed many aswell. You can see them in my signature.

    Yes the vents play a crucial role in temps, if they are blocked, filled with lint, dust and hair, this will increase temps. You can take a can of compressed air and blow it all out. Everyone should be doing this every 3-6 months.

    I personally don't find 84Cs to be too bad, it surely is warm/hot. So try the above suggestions and let us know how things turn out.
     
  39. alweky

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    hello, MilestonePC, my friend had recommanded me to vaccum my vents o_O... I think im going to try that first then if i dont notice much of a difference I will get some compressed air. I will try that tommorow and let you know my results!

    I have undervolted and have a laptop cooler, since almost a year ago, and the temperatures back then never really went passed 80C when gaming. I think I could accept a couple degrees higher, considering Ill assume it's part of a aging laptop, but something of more than 5C raises my alarm!


    actually <_< how should i go about this? should i open up my laptop and vacuum near the areas, or is it enough to vaccum the vents without opening the laptop?
     
  40. Warwizard

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    omg my S96J (with T7200) jumped from 55C to 90C in just 40sec using this tool, and it topped at 97C :confused: it didn't crash, however.

    Any suggestion? I already have arctic silver 5 on the cpu. And I think it has been running hot since the beginning. It has always topped at ~88C with Everest's stress tool.
     
  41. AlexOnFyre

    AlexOnFyre Needs to get back to work NBR Reviewer

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    Z8000 series, bought from ViciousPC in 2005. It was fine for about half a year, started having problems, realised the HDD was busted (because I got a POST error: "Your HDD is busted"), sent it back and was fixed. PAint was also chipping. About a year later I realised that those two problems were not unrelated (by brushing my hand on an exposed metal monitor output screw on the back and got a [very small] 2nd degree burn, seriously). The machine gets so hot it has warped the frame, the hinged broke and are falling off and it no longer latches down. It has warped the lens of my DVD+-RW drive and has caused many IRL NOT LESS OR EQUAL crashes. SIW tells me that the temp is regularly in the upper 80s (Centigrade). The computer runs well and I have been satisfied with it otherwise, but the heat sink is AWFUL. I even have it on a cooling pad right now (dual 70mm Tai Chi) and the temp is still in the mid 80s (perhaps this has to do with the intake position relative to the lappy's fan output, can't tell). I plan on upgrading to a beautiful new G1S before the end of the summer though. Asus has lost no points in my book, seeing as this was off of a barebones builder who cranked things a little for speed and was offering a 15 percent discount on all products then (it is really only known for its desktops, which are very good), and it was painted, plus customer service through the whole thing has been great.