C90 and the 8800m?

Today it was release inforamtion about 8800m at least, and i wonder if it will fit into c90? Have someone found a price on this card? And is GTX much better than GTS?

Link to Nvidia`s homepage:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8800m.html

 

Considering that on the Alienware leaked page info it was $400 for a single 8800M, it would be a fair guess that the card will cost about $400-$500.

I still donno if I wanna hold out for a 9600M or just get the 8800M, or I could just hold out for the 9600M and when that doesn't come out buy the 8800M when its dropped in price. Thats assuming that either cards will be made available to the C90S, which is still up in the air.

PS I was right to assume that the 8800M was going to use G92 and thus making it possible to put it in a 15", just had to say I told you so.

 

According to these pictures the 8800M is MXMIII and thus will NOT fit into the C90S:
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16270

As Alienware is gonna release a 15,4" notebook with the 8800M there is a small chance that the 8800M will also be available on an MXMII formfactor card but I doubt it will.

 

Ok. Thanks for the replies. I guess we only have to wait and see...

 

I'd actually say that after wanting one in my own c90s for a while but then sitting back a bit and thinking about it it might be wise to wait for the 9xxx to come out. The dx10 technology is still new and even 8800s are straining under dx10 loads. A 9600 would likely be as good as an 8800 with dx10 enabled just by virtue of new technology. Now the 8800mgtx might be better than a 9600mGT for dx9 but for dx10 I'm thinking the 9600mgt will meet or beat it. I also think of it this way : in a dx10 test, the 8400 beats the 7950gtx by default . New technology and more efficient coding can do wonders for even basic components. And I know asus will have something cooked up for the C90s by then.

 

Those pictures on laptop video actually are more like Clevo's MXMIV-the wide tab on the right side isn't on a normal MXM card II or III
So either they are wrong or they are of something completely different.
But don't draw conclusions yet anyway, Asus makes the c90 cards themselves so they will do whatever they want to or can with the heat and power.

 

The new 9 series may not come out for a while, at least until NVIDIA can implement GDDR5.

 

....how you can even say that is just dumb. Being able to use dx10 is great, but considering that graphics card isn't really suited for anything besides solitair. You say a 9600m would beat the new 8800m, kind of like how a 8600m beats a 7950 right? "obvious sarcasm if you didn't get it"

 

the 8000 --> 9000 series for the most part was just the addition of DX10 for the mobile market. Only the high end 8800's really gained performance vs there old 7000' series brothers.

However since DX10 is now in, Its a pretty safe bet that a 9600gt would be much better than a 8600gt because the next step is obviously better performance and not a new DX.

 

Hmmm so what about the old ATI 9600 and the Nvidia 9600 any thoughts there on performance between the two ? hehe has Nvidia announced the product will be named a 9-series? Oh and what MOS were you Vicious? Spent my time as a grunt in 1/1.

 

one here in the forums said he called aleinware and they told him 8800 ( i don't remem gts or gtx ) will be in mxm II , however why r u guys so excited

u will only be able to play crysis all med stngs with about 30 ~ fps !!


it's not as powerful as u think

 

I double disagree, and the 9000 series is geared towards another dx.... dx10.1

 

Either or if its Performance or DX10.1, it will still be a step up in performance. Maybe not 8800 performance but a 9600m GT would hopefully whop the 8600m GT.

 

Don't care for crysis. Besides, G8 cards were made to support DX10 and the G9 cards are going to be made to support crysis on ultra high settings

 

What we know of the (desktop) 9600GT is that it'll have a 256bits bus (w00t lol) and should be 2 times as powerfull as the 8600GT so that would be a 8800GT

I'm really looking forward to see the 9 series though. The 9800 GX2 is suppsoed to only be 30% faster than the 8800ULTRA. The cores are probably G92 (256 shaders, 2 gpus, 65nm) like the new 8800 so that makes sense

Expected release date is Feb 14th, DX10.1 coming arround that time too.

 

My 8600M GT 512 GDDR2 at 560/1120/525 runs most games pretty darn good.....all except the newest ones....bioshock, crysis, unreal tournament 3....thats where I have a problem. The way things look, Id settle for just a 8800 part for the C90S in MXM-II. That way other people with MXM-II can get their goodies too. 8800M GS, 8800M GT, 8800M GTX, WHATEVER! Just give us a 8800!!!

 

do u have c90s ?

could u plz tell me what fps u running at in some games ... like generals zero hour or any games

 

I dont really feel like going into detail. Youll have to name a game I have. I dont have generals. In Call of Duty 4 I get 55-60fps at 1280x1024 all options low except models on "normal". In texture settings menu i have the last option set to "normal" and the top 2 at "high". Also i select the option for dual video cards. It makes it run better even though i dont have sli. Ran with 2x AA and 4x AF with vsync on all in nvidia control panel. Make sure you have smooth mouse enabled too. Hope thats a good example.

 

FYI, that was in singleplayer. Multiplayer takes a hit

 

it seems NVIDIA and ASUS have confirmed that there will be an 8800 in MXM-II
And Asus has said that it will be made available for C90s, good news i guess

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=134519&page=56

 

Have there been given any more infomation yet? Prices etc?

 

I don't want to wait any longer. I think I'll just put my C90S up for sale and get a Sager 9262 with all of its 8800GTX SLI goodness! We've been waiting long enough for our C90S upgrades and so far nothing has happened. I feel cheated and I don't think I will buy any ASUS products for a long time.

 

Cheated...... How? There are like 5 cards out right now and more coming. As many problems as the C90S has it's still an awesome laptop and not many others come close to it. I love the "ACE door" and the fact it's an MXM based laptop.

Asus has had plenty of issues with this laptop but they seem to be trying to iron all them out. Honestly if you feel cheated it should be because Asus is going to focus more on the C90P down the road. Even then we can still use all the C90P's graphics cards according to reports.

 

I wouldn't consider the 8600GT 256MB DDR3 a real upgrade to other C90S graphics cards out there (mainly the 8600GT 512MB DDR2) and since the C90S comes with the 8600GT 512MB DDR2 pretty much as standard I am thinking of all the other (weaker) cards as downgrades rather than upgrades.
Don't get me wrong, I love the C90S for what it is. It is a very good and powerful laptop especially for the low price tag but Clevo/Sager is selling notebooks that are just as upgradable (with much newer components) and they don't claim to be the next best thing in upgradability like ASUS does.

And I know that ASUS had a lot of issues with this laptop that they're fixing right now but they should have fixed these issues before even selling all those units.
I mean, that's what quality control is for, right?
You don't have that many issues with manufacturers like Clevo/Sager even when they are releasing brand new hardware.

I am sorry for the long post and I am sure it doesn't belong in this thread but I am just so frustrated at the moment.

 

You do realize that the C90 went headlong into uncharted waters right? The C90 is a high performance 15.4" laptop. When it came out it was pretty much the best option for the 15.4" segment for gaming and one of the few choices out there. At the time, 17" was the minimum size for a gaming laptop. Laptops like the C90 and G1S really brought focus on the segment. Just look at alienware's previous 15" laptop - not much for gaming at all...The desktop processor and the 8600gt being the best 15.4" card at the time made it the best bang for the buck system out there. Technology changes though and the C90 is no longer the best. Sure updates are only in the pipeline and not in our hands yet but take pride in your C90 ownership. We are still the only people with a conroe in a 15.4" formfactor. Alienware's new 15" brick shall fall when the 9600 is put in!!!!

 

Well, I do totally agree with you on that point. It's normal for a few bugs to be present with any new product. However, there is no excuse for all the issues that the C90S has had!

For starters this laptop should never have been as picky with ram as it is. That has mostly been solved thanks to the customers and dealers testing different brands of ram nonstop.

Then there is the wireless issue, the battery mode issue, the gaming mode issue, ect. These things should have been tested better. I know it's a barebones system but it should work with the hardware it's listed as being compatible with!

As for me, I'll be doing my 2nd RMA to Asus this Monday because they didn't do the motherboard rework they were supposed to the first time. After they fix that though my C90S should be working 100%.

Even though it's such a headache I would STILL buy this laptop again. Best bang for the buck and it's just down right awesome being able to slide the ace door off and get to pretty much every component.

 

I think you're right, it is the best bang for the buck. Sager/Clevo laptops are much more expensive but I think most people here have a love-hate relationship with their C90S. I never had any issues with my unit but I am just afraid that ASUS is never releasing a new graphics card like the 8800M or 9XXX series for the C90S. I don't know but I just don't trust them.

 

I'm not sure if the C90S is "ASUS only" when it comes to MXM cards. If it's not though we might be able to purchase an MXM-II card from a different laptop and install it in the C90S.

From what I've read, some manufacturers make there MXM based laptops only work with MXM cards made for them. I'm not sure if the C90S is like this though.

In other words, what I'm saying is, if the C90S isn't "locked" by Asus then you can should be able to use any other "unlocked" card.

Hmm... I realize that doesn't make much sense... All well I gave it a shot lol..

This site has a lot more info http://mxm-upgrade.com/

 

It's MXM 2 and the problem most people don't seem to get is YOU NEED TO PUT A MXM 2 CARD IN IT.

It's good to say "They are not giving us upgrades!!!!" but WHICH DAMN CARD YOU WANT????? There's nothing better yet! The 8800M weren't even MXM-III-IV 6 months ago! The 8700M GT was MXM III but will be in II with the C90P

By upgradeable, I think the focus was "releasing a mid-range card". I thought about 8600M, then a 9600M and then maybe a 10k600M. Having the ATI variant would have been nice but without being offensive, people who bought that believing it would support every damn high end cards......

The c90p is coming soon so I doubt they won't release any new cards. They said 8700M GT but that was what was in at the CES, it might be a 9600 in the end.

 

JCMS,

It's not just a matter of installing any MXM-II card. Some MXM cards will not work with other machines. From what I understand, it has something to do with the video bios in the MXM card. mxm-upgrade.com has more info.

This doesn't apply to every MXM card, but some are very picky. It's kind of a trial and error game right now.

 

c90 with 8800m gtx = affordable powerhouse.

 

What I meant is that the card needs to be MXM-II and not MXM-III or IV...