C90S w/8600M GT 256MB GDDR3

System setup:
E6700
2GB RAM (2X1G)
160GB 5400rpm
stock driver no overlock


3DMark06




E6600
3GB DDR2 667
160GB 5400rpm
stock driver (works with BioShock) overclocking mode using TurboGear:





Medal of Honor Airborne demo

Setup:
E6600
3GB DDR2 667
160G 5400rpm
stock driver no overclock:


















C90S overclocked:
Conroe E6420 2.13 GHz
3GB RAM
Seagate 120G 7200rpm
Driver: Stock driver and can only overclock with stock driver
Overclocking software: Riva Tuner
Turbo Gear mode: Standard Mode


C90S 3DMark06: 4602 @1280X1024 (new record)



C90S 3DMark06: 5674 @1024X768 (new record)




Medal of Honor Airborne Demo overclocked
System setup:
E6420 2.13GHz
3GB RAM DDR2 667
120GB 7200rpm
Turbo Gear: Standard Mode
Overclocking software: Riva Tuner

 

Excellent! Is this GPU available for purchase separately yet?

 

Not yet, Asus sent us two and its for testing purpose only.

 

86'c??? my 8600m gt 512 ddr2 never went up to 75'c under fullload..

 

That's approx 700 pts higher than the 8600gt 512mb. IIRC the 8600gt 512mb stock was at 3011.

 

Hehe you should know better Ken! its GDDR3 Very nice work though :3.

 

yay, but this is what they should have put in there in the first place. Kind of a sour deal to the first c90s customers. (if this is to become a new default card, I cant see anybody buying this as an upgrade unless they have money to burn)

 

Fixed the title!

 

Well exciting. Ken can you give us any hints towards pricing? Thats with stock drivers too, with the newest drive can see a decent jump in performance.

 

Very exciting news!

Considering the 8600GT GDDR3, if it does come out, is MXM II, then potentially the Acer Aspire 5920G and Compal IFL90 may also be able to take that card!

 

I thought each company usually made mxm propietary technology, so most likely will it not be compatible with other lappies.

 

Well, I really don't know what to say except they had these cards and could of put them into the C90 in the first place when the C90 launched.

 

ASUS never mentioned it was proprietary(though I wouldn't be surprised really), so I assumed it was a generic nVidia MXM format. I'm pretty sure they have the same socket types, the only hurdle is the fitting and ventilation since it wasn't designed for that chassis.

 

Oh I don't know either, I'm assuming since mxm is not really a standard but like a guideline kind of thing. Ranger I see what your saying, but with the gddr3 card the price would have gone up too. Personally probably won't buy this card unless the price is too enticing, which it probably won't be because the ddr2 card was 180 on sites. Patiently awaiting the 8800..(I believe).

 

I think the C90 is confirmed to get the 8700GT later this year (according to Ivan at P1), but I'm not sure that the 8800 will be an option. I mean, doesn't the C90 have enough cooling problems already, even without the uber-powerful GPU?

 

Who confirmed when in the what now?

My c90s temp seems fine. The gpu is really cool and the cpu definitely is too. I think most of the c90 problems are ram related not really heat.

 

wow, is it going to typically run at 86C under load?

 

Well, I seriously doubt that, because without major modification the 8700M-GT does not fit in the MXM-III format. However the 8800M-GS (or whatever they decide to call the low end 256-bit card) has a chance of fitting, since it will be on a smaller die.

 

Ken would you mind testing at 2.93ghz with gpu at 530 core and default memory. I need to see it get over 4328 cause thats what im getting at the same settings with gpu at 530/530...

 

a question...does this 700mhz ddr3 = to the 1.4ghz ddr3 for a desktop video card??

 

It's clocked at 700MHz, though because of the Double Data Rate memory, it's effectively 1400MHz. You may see it listed as 1400MHz on both notebook and desktop cards.

 

Ken, what was your original temperatures when using the DDR2 video card? 86 degrees seems a bit high since GDDR3 are suppose to run cooler than DDR2 modules.

 

The die can be small but the board can sadly, be big. Like the 8700M, the core is a 8600 core but due to memory structure, they had to make it on a bigger board.

 

Yeah should be GDDR 3

They should, it's just some of their marketing people want it to be 512MB and GDDR3 512MB would cost too much.

Thanks.

Should be around $250 but it's not confirmed.

They all run cool at 65*C when I furst start the computer but it'll cimb up to 85*C.

 

Hello. And for what date the Asus C90 will come with this default video card?

 

The 8800M GS is the 8700M GT, according to nvidia's code name. NB8E-SE, is both the rumored 8800M GS codename and was in fact the 8700's.



Now, someone needs to tell me why the G1S/G2S score higher


EDIT: oh, never mind, those are clocked at 530 rather than 450.

 

GDDR3 only runs cooler when clocked similar to DDR2. As this card is clocked 400MHz DDR2 and 700MHz GDDR3, it is not hard to guess that the GDDR3 version gets considerably hotter AND consumes more power than the DDR2 version.(as the G1S already prooved).

If you downclock the GDDR3 card to 400MHz and same voltage as DDR2, it will run cooler.

 

....... I'm willing to burn $250.... Though I've got absolutely no reason to buy the card as I still don't have any games yet.... I'm still willing to burn the $250.

The bulb in my projector went out... again.... I think I need a new projector.

 

Now I only need to decide what to get first, this or a new ipod touch. Did asus say if any other cards were comming out?

 

maybe two weeks? I am just guessing.

 

Now that makes me feel bad from buying my C90S a week ago, and I still hasn't received the unit (althougt the GPU, CPU, RAM, HDD and wireless card are sitting on my desk).

If it gets available in Canada soon enough, and is not that much more expensive, I might RMA my DDR2 one though

 

Early adopters won't be particularly happy, though most other people will be.

 

Maybe you should just replace the bulb.
Wow that like saying my car ran out of gas I need to buy a new car.

On the topic of the post.
I welcome the news but must say it sure took them a while before they got this out the door. Now could asus get on the ball and fix memory issues.

 

You just reminded me of something hilarious.... I'm sure that would represent most of us in a gadget store.

Ken: I've got a couple question for you regarding the new GPU. Will GenTech be selling the card individually? If not, who will; or will the company be willing to do a core exchange program with the older GDDR2 512 previously sold with the C90S?

Thanks for any answers you can provide to me.

 

HAHA! Guess I didn't explain the whole situation. I had to replace the bulb about a month ago. 2 weeks ago I had to replace it again. It went out again. The fans are working properly and I've made sure the projectors insides are cleaned up.... I'm not sure what's wrong with it.

 

Every resseller, that are not system builder, and carry the C90S should have it.

 

Well, the 8700M and the 8600M are based on the same 80nm die. However the new 256-bit cards will most likely be based on a 65nm die, so that it's quite possible that the low end 256-bit card will have more power but still have a lower TDP than the 8700M-GT.

Yes, the NB8E-SE turned out to be the 8700M-GT, and not the 8800M-GS as was rumored, but that doesn't meant that there still won't be an 8800M-GS. And as I said, I was merely referring to whatever nVidia calls their lowest wattage 256-bit card.

 

Well I'm not too upset about it. There will be a price increase with the new card. But yeah early adopters will probably break about $100 or 150 less then those people who get this new card with it. Worth it for gaming for with this baby for a couple more months then you new guys.

Oh yeah thanks alot Ken! I tried to rep you but it says I gotta rep others before I can rep you. I can give rep out to others for free, but my rep points are precious to me, can't throw them around haphazardly.

 

I was saying that even you have smaller die (which in this case, the core or (cpu) of the gpu) you can still have a bigger board even if you have lower TDP than the 8600M GT.


pics from wikipedia.

This is the die for a 6600 GT, any other thing surrounding it is the board. This is what i presume, anything wrong plz correct me, would like to know more oso.

 

You're right, the physical board could be larger than the 8700M-GT, but I think that the main obstacle to the 8700M-GT fitting in a 15.4" is it's TDP, and a smaller die should lower that TDP, hopefully enough so that it will fit in an MXM 15.4" like the C90s.

 

Could i possibility get the model name of the 8600GT 256 GDDR3 Ken? Thanks

 

Vell, straight from Portable One:

The CX is the C90s, the FX is the Sager NP5790. So yea, according to them its gonna get an 8700GT. Milestone PC said that there were going to be a total of 5 GPUs available for the C90 eventually, so theres a natural assumption that at least one will be more powerful than the 8600GT.

 

Hmm, if that's true, and considering the timing, perhaps the 8700M-GT is going to refreshed on nVidia's new die-shrunk core? Because currently the 8700M-GT physically does not fit in the MXM-II envelope afaik.

 

Maybe the 8700GT is getting axed entirely and just replaced with a 65nm 8800GS, with a lower TDP and better performance?

 

If my 8600M GT GDDR3 ran at 86 degrees under load I'd be happy, but it doesn't, it hits 101.

 

This article was a while back but had some good info:


The Inquirer
By Theo Valich in Old Taipei: Sunday 03 June 2007, 19:03

Nvidia prepares 8800 for notebooks
Computex 007 Meet NB8E, new G80 chip in 22W+ envelope

WHILE THE ORIGINAL G80 chip was a monster and consumed over 100 watts of power, Nvidia decided to mark this summer with its NB8E chip, a re-spin of the original G80 that will address the enthusiast notebook segment.
In order to fit the power envelope, lots of changes have been made, from the way the chip is manufactured to the functional units themselves. Even though these cuts will decrease 3D performance when compared to the desktop, this will be a most powerful chip for notebook market. Currently in roadmaps we have seen somewhere between Croatia and Taiwan, NB8E should come to market as NB8E-GTX, NB8E-GT and NB8E-SE. These codenames will probably end as GeForce 8800M GTX, 8800M GT and 8800M GS.

For the end, here's a teaser. For dual-PCB 7950GX2, Nvidia used G71M, mobile version of its ultra-successful G71 (7900) chip. Guess what becomes a possibility if the G80 is packed in 22W+? µ

 

Yeah thats why I believe the c90 will get an 8800 too. The thread by milestone said there would be an 8800 eventually for the c90. They also said there would be 5 cards by january 2008 and the key parts list for the c90 lists 5 cards. Coincidence...I think not!

 

i also think not!

 

Note how many ppl without C90s have said no to a 8800M in the C90 and how many with have said yes. Its just notebook envy. They don't want someone how paid less then they did for a powerful notebook and upgrade ability options to feel better in the long run then there one trick wonder

 

GenTechPC. Thanks for the answer.

GenTechPC. Can you test the 2 cards with some games? I believe will be very interesting to see the preformance in real games and not just the 3DMark06.