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    Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 Owner's Lounge

    Discussion in 'ASUS Reviews and Owners' Lounges' started by undervolter0x0309, Jan 26, 2020.

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    This G14 supports USB-C charging, that's a huge selling point for me.

    I don't know why other laptop makers don't use USB-C charging, I would still have my Aero 15 OLED if it did...
     
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    Yup... the PLG(Pretty Lady Gamey) from the other continent further confirms on USB charging.
    But...

    ...she did point out effective charging should be from the supplied charger. :D
     
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    Well of course you can't run 90W or whatever on a 65W charger (seems to be the max that ASUS supports via USB-C, even though Dell supports 100+). For traveling and office work it will be totally fine for me. I have a 120W USB-C adapter and a USB-C current probe, if I end up getting one, I'll see what it really draws.
     
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    if the panel ghosting issue isn't much of a problem with the retail units, i'm definitely in for a unit.
     
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    rahz Notebook Consultant

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    Some people have stated to receive their units from bestbuy and have posted reviews/pictures in bestbuy.com

    So far they seem to be happy with performance. Someone did mention that the keyboard backlighting is still terrible. But no one has really mentioned any response time/ghosting issues yet.

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    From what I can see the two issues with this laptop is the ghosting and the lack of a true silent mode. Maybe there is a work around to the lack of silence (like manually stopping the fans or manually lowering the fan speed). Not sure if there can be a workaround to the ghosting issue. Also, you don't need to play twitch games to notice ghosting, you can notice it pretty easily just scrolling and when the scene pans in a video, at least I can.

    With the GU502, on silent if you're not plugged in it actually is silent which is pretty good. And the screen on the GU502 is excellent, and in terms of response time it's about 7 times faster compared to the G14 (the G14 has a response time like a TV or a smartphone, it's that bad, not that the GU502 is particularly fast). It's pretty good for watching videos, and productivity. The CPU in the zephyrus G14 is a straight beast though.
     
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    gooface Notebook Evangelist

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    I should be getting my laptop today. I plan on posting impressions when I get a chance to test it out later today.
     
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    rahz Notebook Consultant

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    Post up some unboxing pics as well!

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    rahz Notebook Consultant

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    Could you also look into whether the laptop has 8gb soldered or 16gb soldered? Been wondering that since Asus has been claiming the laptop can support up to 32gb RAM.

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    All available versions have 8GB soldered. There might be other configs in future.

    Gesendet von meinem BBF100-1 mit Tapatalk
     
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    rahz Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks for the update.

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    gooface Notebook Evangelist

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    So I didnt have a ton of time to toy around with it yesterday (UPS comes super late to my place) unboxing photos will have to wait since I am at work right now (I dont have a ton but I can take some better photos after work) I did like the fact when you opened the box the laptop sorta lifts out of the box. (I had troubles finding the 3 prong power cord in my box, it was took me a bit to find it since it was not in the same compartment that the brick was in)

    I am coming from an Alienware 13 R3 btw

    First impressions:

    The keyboard back-lighting is completely trash (worse I have ever seen on a laptop in my life) unless you are in complete darkness you will want to turn it off to see the keys better. Feels nice to type on though and the thicker space bar on the right is a nice touch for WASD gaming.

    Regarding the screen, I have no dead pixels (yay!) I only have installed one game right now (FFXIV) and I did not notice any ghosting effects (maybe I am not sensitive to it?) the screen didnt get super bright but seems good enough for indoor use (never used my laptop outdoors so IDK) its a nice matte screen and seems clear for 1080p at 14" (my alienware had a 13.3" at 1440p OLED with a glossy screen) Colors arent as great as my older alienware but that is to be expecting coming from an OLED (again I will do my best to take more photos later today after I get off work)

    Regarding the fingerprint scanner, its super hit and miss, IDK if I am not scanning my fingerprint right or not (it seems to complain that I am not covering my whole finger to get a good reading) but I have not really had good luck with fingerprint scanners on laptops anyways (my S10+ phone seems to be flawless though) I have never seen my laptop successfully boot into windows and unlock with my fingerprint after pressing the power button. (I can get it to work at the login screen but even sometimes there it just complains and tells me to type in my pin number)

    The fans seem to run pretty consistently (The only game I tested was FFXIV and the fans got pretty loud while playing that but they got loud on my alienware 13 R3 as well) I tried toying around with the settings and I could get it to run a little quieter with the asus tools but didnt have tons of time to play around with this.

    I ran a quick benchmark in CPU-Z and it matched my 3700X in singlecore score but was a little behind in multicore (this is a laptop for heavensake) and it blew me away (again I can post more of this after work today with better results and more tests)

    The laptop construction seems good, I love the size and portability. It fits like a glove in this case/sleeve: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084YZ495F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I honestly love the look of the thing and how small and thin the body of the laptop is, its a little of the heavy side for the size (considering what it is packing and the heatsinks it has is understandable) but the size to me is unbelievable for what it has inside of it. (its way thinner than my 13 R3 is and it has 2x the cpu and about 50% more GPU compared to a 7700HQ and 1060)

    First thing I did was swap the SSD for a 2TB 660p I had laying around (Not all the screws are matching that you take out of the laptop to open it) The thermal pad was easy to remove from the ssd, I had a little trouble with the adhesive on the thermal shield they put on it though. (on one side of the ssd the adhesive stuck to the ssd and didnt come off on a section of it) but other than that it was pretty painless to upgrade it. I am still trying to work with drivers and software that I might be missing (for the sound, but I am unsure) but a clean install was pretty painless on this laptop.

    Anyways, when I have more time with this laptop (I should have more time today and tomorrow and definitely over this weekend to play with it) I will post photos and more of my thoughts.
     
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    jlp0209 Notebook Evangelist

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    Back in stock at Best Buy. I decided to re-order. Delivers this weekend. As much as I think I'll like the GS66, I don't want a 15.6" laptop. If I did I'd buy a Blade again. After canceling my pre-order last week I smacked myself for being hung up on lack of integrated webcam. I have a perfectly good 720p USB cam that I can use when needed. And if I end up not liking the laptop after some months it will be very easy to sell this thing I think.

    @gooface - can you please put the laptop into "best for battery life" or power saving mode while plugged in? I am very interested to hear what happens to the fan noise when in power saving mode on AC power, just browsing web or doing office type work.
     
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    gooface Notebook Evangelist

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    EDIT: This info is now false read my next post:

    I uploaded the GA401IV eSupport Folder (RTX 2060 Model) here for those that get this laptop and want to reformat their drive and do a clean install or those that want to upgrade their drive to a bigger size and want to do a clean install:

    https://mega.nz/file/4UgFjBhY#26545sQjptXVORtgV9AdZlvOGyu67m57Hy5f89YOKQo

    Enjoy! I will be getting back to people with more photos and answers/feedback once I am done tweaking this thing.

    Might be good to add this to the OP or something for those that lose this.
     
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    gooface Notebook Evangelist

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    So I did something crazy that took me 6 hours to come to the conclusion on...

    I wanted to swap out the ssd for a 2TB ssd I already had on hand..(like I said earlier) but for the life of me I could not get a fresh install of windows to work with Dolby Atmos without it asking for a licence every singe time I install it.

    So from my understanding if you do a fresh install of windows 10 on this laptop with windows 10 media from the microsoft tool you are SOL if you want working Dolby Atmos. (for the moment unless something changes in the next few weeks/months)


    So here was my crazy workaround/solution:

    I ended up copying the "Restore" partition off the original drive to a USB drive. Then I inserted that into my desktop and mounted that partition via diskpart and assigned it a drive leter.

    This partition had a folder in it labeled "Recovery" inside that folder there was another folder named "RecoveryImage"

    Now within that folder there was a single file "ASUS.swm" (from my understanding a .swm is a .wim file but split which makes no sense since its a single file) The date stamp for this file was "March 17th 2020 7:55pm"

    So I took that file and renamed it "install.wim" and took original MS 1909 media and copied over the original "install.wim file located there with this .wim file and created a bootable USB drive from it with rufus. (ended up being 10.8GB big)

    After doing all that I was able to boot from that USB drive I homebrewed (like it was OEM media from Asus) and installed 1909 again on my 2TB replacement drive and BOOM it installed all the apps like the original 1TB when I opened the box with a working copy of Dolby Atmos software. (backed up that .ISO because it is a lifesaver on my NAS)

    So all those that are going to get this laptop and want to change out the ssd, I suggest following these steps, otherwise look forward to spending a day or two banging your head against a wall with no results..

    My quest to understand this laptop more continues... hopefully this helps someone else out there.
     
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    After watching reviews most say it runs a bit on the hot side, anyone try a laptop cooler to help it cool CPU temps a bit?
    Repasting?
     
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    I've been following up with a Zephyrus G14 owner on reddit and he's returning his G14. The cpu and gpu are thermal throttling at max fans (105°C and 88°C respectively) and after comparing the screen with his other maingear laptop he confirmed that there was a big difference.

    Screenshot_20200417-165235_Reddit.jpg
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    Wertzius Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah, but the guy has a obvious faulty unit, so nothing to worry about. I also don't worry about the display, i am not playing online shooters anymore and in my opinion the whole fps/Hz thing is totally overhyped. Most Players ares still bad with high refresh rates ;-)


    8auer did a LM repaste in his review video, have a look for the results.

    In general, there are no gaming capable Laptops which don't run on the hot side. That is just how the Turbo works, the cpu will always use the thermal headroom for boosting as long no other Limits (current, tdp, time) are met. As i've seen the temps are in the mid 80s which is absolutely fine. Nevertheless, i ordered mine yesterday and will do a LM repaste (as usual) for more boosting headroom and more silent fans (maybe with the manual fan profile).
     
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    Can someone try a laptop cooler to see if it helps with temps? I really dont want to use LM and have to repaste every couple of months.
     
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    I game with this (Used this on my Alienware 13 R3 as well: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VIZ60QY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I have not seen temps pass the 90C mark yet on anything. (And I am on stock paste running with the standard performance profile) I mighe repaste with MX4 later today and retest.

    I have only played Halo MCC and FFXIV on it though.

    EDIT:

    I have reached a new max temp while loading a custom world from nvidia for the RTX Minecraft Beta on the CPU. (96C) again my average is in the mid high 80's. My 2060 is always around 60-70C which is nothing for a laptop GPU. while playing that game it never really breaks 90C.
     
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    I have one coming Monday and first thing I always do is repaste, Its just become standard after all these year. I find its enjoyable and part of the fun in getting a new system.
     
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    Mine delivers on Monday as well just got the tracking number. What are you repasting with? I have old faithful NT-H1 handy, not sure I'll repaste though. I am definitely not using LM, that's for sure. Not worth the maintenance.
     
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    One thing that’s annoying is you can’t get the space gray color with RTX 2060MQ, really don’t care about the matrix display but I prefer the darker color especially on the keyboard backlighting is more noticeable.
    Can someone please test it with a laptop cooler please. :)
     
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    I repasted with MX-4 and it didnt make much of a difference... I am going to buy some of that now, thanks! (actually loading minecraft rtx levels it shot upto 100C...)

    EDIT:

    actually after reading up about this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EUREJZG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I decided to order that instead, have you tried that stuff?
     
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    What maintenance? Just onetime repaste and then it is fine. I repaste my laptops with LM for years now and never renewed anything. They all work without any problems, just cool and silent.
     
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    When you repaste, does the initial LM completely come off the heatsink, or does it leave some sort of stain? Just repaste on top of that, or clean it off first?

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    I don't understand. The Laptops have thermal paste in them at first, i repaste them with LM. One time and never touch them again. No further repastes needed. No need for annual repastes like with standard thermal paste. What should happen? The LM stays liquid, it does not dry out.
     
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    That is not what other people have reported. Other people report that the LM dries out and stains the heatsinks etc.



    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
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    It is not a one time repaste. Not on a laptop like this with copper heatsink. Take a look at Derbauer's video just posted here recently when he repasted with Conductonaut. You need to replace the LM every 1 to 3 months or else it could become permanently stuck into the copper. Not only that, but over time even with repasting LM every 1 to 3 months it could slowly ruin that area of the heatsink unless you put the LM on a different (clean) part. Which is not possible because it won't make contact with the CPU. You are maybe lucky then that you haven't needed to ever replace LM on your other laptops.

    I have been delidding desktop CPU's for awhile, love LM. But not on a pure copper heatsink, in my opinion.

    Exactly.
     
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    seanwee Father of laptop shunt modding

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    Der8auer said he will be making a video about how to "prevent problems" with using liquid metal on bare copper.


    5.59

    I'm interested to see what ideas he's come up with.
     
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    Mine arrived ahead of schedule a bit ago. Set it all up and really like the build quality and keyboard so far. The keys are spacious and don't make a lot of noise. Screen is very crisp and there are no dead / stuck pixels or backlight bleed, which is great.

    I have no idea how to enable G-sync / FreeSync on this thing. It doesn't show up as an option in the NV control panel.

    EDIT- Found it. The toggle is within the "AMD Radeon Settings Lite" utility. It's on by default.

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    I played some F1 2019 for about 10 minutes, per HWInfo my CPU max shot up to 103C but average was 75. This could be a little inaccurate as I was idle for maybe 3 minutes prior to launching the game. So maybe the real avg temp is 85-ish then? Will do a better read later. Regardless I am not concerned and not wasting my time repasting. Happy to see max GPU temp of 74C as well. This is all on the Turbo profile.
     
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    I have tried Phobya, still have plenty left in my tool box with many others. I personally found the TFX better but could be I applied it better? Both are pretty close, you just can't go by the w/mk rating.
     
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    Just got my G14 a few days ago. So far I've encountered none of the issues that I've read about, black screens, crashing etc..
    I just repasted it with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid Metal and I must say, it made a noticeable difference.
    The factory stuff was far from the worst I've seen, but it runs cooler and quieter after the LM and I'd say it was worth the hassle. I dropped between 5-10C, and it runs a bit quieter.
    If you are going to do it just be careful when removing the heatsink as it's right near the power phases!
     
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    Good to hear.

    Yes, sure it bonds to the copper. A micrometer thin layer on the surface. And the copper gets saturated very quickly. It is not like a sponge and all LM vanishes over time. What is the problem about that? Does the heat transfer get noticably worse? No, not according to my experience and i haven't seen proper longtime tests that say so somewhere. But i have seen alot of experiences of people without any problems.
    What does ruinig the heatsink mean? The color changes on the surface but it is not Aluminium, it doesn't desintegrate.
     
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    He made the video
     
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    @Wertzius - I meant that the LM can adhere to the copper potentially becoming permanently stuck. If you maintain it, it won't get stuck, that was what I referred to when I said "maintenance" before. The staining is also difficult to remove, I have no experience with it so can't comment on that. There are differing opinions on it obviously. Gamers Nexus did an old blog about it and they thought generally LM on bare copper is OK. Not saying you are wrong and not saying I am right.

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    Came across this first impression review in my Google feed today and it said he couldn't install the latest AMD drivers / needed to use the drivers found on Asus' website.

    https://adoredtv.com/asus-rog-zephyrus-g14-review-first-impressions/

    I am able to install the latest AMD drivers from AMD's site just fine, and the updated Radeon Software app works too. Not sure what the problem was with his system, but in case anyone else came across this "review" it shouldn't be an issue.

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    I was able to update them myself then windows update replaced them almost immediately. So instead of fighting with WU, I am just keeping what WU updated it to.

    Main things I updated out of the box were the BIOS, keyboard firmware, Nvidia drivers (directly from Nvidia, Intel WiFi drivers (from intel) and intel's NVME driver (after I swapped the drive with my 2TB) and other than that I left it at stock drivers wise and what WU ran on it.

    The reason I think we are seeing such high temps on the cpu is I think the fans dont kick in fast enough while games are loading. While playing games on it though it runs around mid 80's (with stock paste while the fans are running) but like I said loading games it was pretty much idle fan speeds and the temps skyrocketed and the laptop acted like it didnt know. (maybe they might fix this with a bios update)

    The GPU never gets into 80C, never seen it really above 75C (which is crazy for a GPU on a laptop)

    I personally decided to shelf mine until that order of thermal paste comes in because I was not comfortable with those temps after my repaste with my MX-4 (that was probably 2 years old)
     
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    Same, though I didn't think to install Intel's NVME driver, good idea. Curious to see your results after repaste. I played F1 for 20 mins last night, the GPU didn't go over 76C.

    It's a shame that we can't undervolt the CPU. If any laptop could benefit from that, it's this one. I'll have to create a custom "office" fan profile to keep the fans off / near silent while just doing work. I'm used to fans being totally off on Intel laptops of late. It is more annoying than I thought it would be. Not sure how accurate it is but I don't like seeing CPU voltage at 1.4v+ in HWInfo.

    Do you know if there's a way to edit the BIOS of this laptop? I was able to edit my old Blade to disable GPU power management and undervolt the CPU, at the BIOS level. Gave me stellar results.

    I was able to save my BIOS to a file using AMI Flash. But when I open the file with AMIBCP I get the error "language name present in rom exceeds 0x08 in length. Setup tap and bios string tab will not be shown." Based on some reading I think I won't be able to figure out where the offending string is. Oh well, was worth a shot.
     
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    Wertzius Notebook Consultant

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    Undervolting is often not as beneficial on Newer Ryzen as it is on Intel Systems. Ryzen has a nearly stepless voltage regulation and is self optomizing. It only uses what is needed. While undervolting you will often see a performance dip because the boosting frequencies get lowered automatically. It is absolutely not the same thing we all are used to with Intel and Throttlestop. Nevertheless i will start experimenting too as soon as Ryzenadj or Ryzen Control is working on this platform.

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    Ryzenadj doesn't actually control the voltage, it's more for TDP limit changing. At least back when I was playing with it on my A485...
     
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    From what I have read on this forum, in this thread in particular:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/absolute-best-thermal-compound.808945/page-2

    People seem to think its pretty amazing stuff and I have tried Kryonaut before on my Alienware 13 R3 and wanted to try something new. It has a Higher viscosity than Kryonaut.

    EDIT:

    well some initial testing with minecraft (the game I swear that murders this cpu while creating an RTX world)

    My new max recorded temps are 98C after loading and recreating a world like 10+ times, which to me is a small but worthwhile improvement over 100C or more that I got before.
     
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    Quick question on repasting the G14.
    I’ve noticed in some tear down vids that that ASUS used paste everywhere even on the voltage regulators and video memory did you repaste those also?
    Is it hard getting the bottom off the G14? Thanks
     
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    Dude. Lvl51 is a Malaysia branch of AfterShock from Singapore selling their products there. Unless Malaysian side can ship whatever they sell to overseas, example the Asia-Pacific region countries like Australia/Indonesia/NZ/Vietnam/Thailand as well as HongKong Taiwan and Japan... It's no point sharing the link here, but only serves as product reference page.
     
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    Anyone getting Asus Premium Care for this laptop? It extends the warranty to 3 years for $169. I saw the fine print that it doesn't include units bought at Best Buy. But I got a pop up within the My Asus app that I can register for the extended warranty. I am able to add a plan to my cart and pay for it on the Asus site, but I assume once I attach the plan to the laptop I'll run into some issue because I got it from BB? Has anyone been successful registering for Premium Care for a laptop bought at Best Buy? Very disappointing, not enough to cause me to return the laptop, but it really is lame on Asus' part. The BB Geek Squad plan is a total waste of money, IMO.

    My credit card will automatically add a 2nd year to the warranty anyway, but I always prefer to use manufacturer warranties if I can.
     
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