Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge

Oh right, wow, I've never played PlanetSide 2, but for all my games GPU power consumption is less than Graphics Test 1 in Firestrike.

 

Hmm.... looks like my 1700 CPU doesn't play well with 0.975V.
I need to keep it a notch higher (0.98125V for long term stability at 3.2 GhZ).

The GPU however can sustain -100mV in MSI Afterburner as far as ME: Andromeda goes. Even Firestrike TimeSpy benchmark went through with those settings... however, it also crashed once on those settings, and I used MinerGate which also used -100mV for a time but ultimately decided to crash (which I managed to repeat a few times)... so I had to increase the slider to -93mV in MSI Afterburner... and it seems to be holding steady on that level for my RX 580.

Chock it up to not so great silicon quality.
1V is not enough for 3.3GhZ it seems... I need at least 1.05V for 3.3GhZ and long term stability per my last testing.
I'd only use 3.6GhZ on 1.175V for 3d Studio Max if I'm not using the GPU for rendering.

Oh well... there was a noticeable difference in temperatures after running Firestrike though... about 73 degrees C at maximum on the GPU it would seem on -100mV... and the fans were definitely running quieter.

But I still maintain I will probably have to replace the thermal paste on the CPU and GPU and apply Fujipoly thermal pads on the VRM's and GPU memory chips in an attempt to improve the thermals.

When I stressed the CPU and GPU together using Minergate to the apparent maximum... (CPU at 3.2Ghz/0.98125V and MSI afterburner for GPU to -93mV), CPU temperatures were in the area of 84.15 degrees C and GPU was at 75 degrees C at max.

Didn't third party reviews mentioned that the CPU reached about 94 degrees C and 88 degrees C on the GPU when both were stressed together at the same time?
If that's the case, then I might have actually been able to do something proper here.

Btw... could anyone recommend other thermal pads similar to fujipoly extreme ones? The 17 w/mk Fujipoly extreme will go onto the VRM's... I was thinking on maybe using Alphacool thermalpads (14w/mk) for the GPU chips (as I don'w think I'll have enough leftovers from Fujipoly ones).

 

Well saturnotaku, my Dell M6600 is on its last legs, so I took your advice, and I just sealed the deal @ HIDevolution. Ted there was really helpful and answered all of my questions. I've read a lot of positive comments about the company, so I am hopeful that they will not disappoint.

HIDevolution offers 2666MHz ram, but I'd like to install 32GB of 3000MHz+ ram in it when I get it, although doing so could potentially be an expensive, US$450 fail if it doesn't work out as expected.

Anyway, I hope it gets to me soon, if only so that I can take some of the pressure off of Deks!

 

That's a lot of money for RAM, is it worth it!? I know Ryzen responds well to faster RAM, but is it worth that extra?

 

We'll see! I'm not some master overclocker or tweaker, but I do like to push the envelope a little bit. And who knows? If this laptop is compatible with upcoming Ryzen processors, it may not be such a bad investment after all.

 

8 Core gaming laptop ! Asus GL702zc Ryzen 7 1700/ RX 580 - Unboxed

 

How is the performance with UV on GPU/CPU? Does it improve? Anyone repasted?

 

What do you mean by performance? This laptop even with ryzen 1700 overclocked doesn't throttle. Nothing chockes this laptop ever, overclocking the CPU to 3.6 ghz on all cores with no tampering to the fan speed, will raise the temperature to 95 Celsius and still refuse to throttle. Repasteing this bad boy should lower temps by quite a bit but it won't do anything to the performance on bouth GPU and CPU.

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Okay. Read somewhere else that people experienced perf drops on GPU and since coolingsystem is shared I just wondered

 

Performance shouldn't be affected on the CPU or GPU with undervolting.
It certainly wasn't affected on my GL702ZC.
I still get the same benchmark and gaming performance among other things.

Undervolting simply lowers the energy supplied to the CPU and GPU at given clock speeds. If either is not getting enough, that usually results in the software using the hardware to shut down, or the OS shutting down/crash - performance however remains unaffected.
This is why we tend to test CPU and GPU with an undervolt using various benchmarks that stress the hardware (even though at times the said stress is unrealistic) to ascertain which voltages are stable at which frequencies.

Out of curiosity, who mentioned that the GPU's performance drops exactly?

If you are referring to the reviewers, there might have been something they mentioned about GPU thermal throttling if you stress both the CPU and GPU together to the maximum at the same time... but undervolting would eliminate this issue.

As Caretaker01 says, the temps would go up to to high levels even with an overclock, but it shouldn't cause thermal throttling on the CPU... and besides, it's still doable to reduce the given voltage to the CPU even on 3.6 GhZ across all cores to slightly below the stock in Ryzen Master (by about 2 notches... which probably won't reduce the temperatures by much, but may be enough to lower it to 93 or 90 degrees C - possibly lower if you undervolt the GPU as well since we're talking about a shared cooling design).

And I agree with him that a repasting on GPU and CPU along with efficient thermal pads on VRM's and VRAM chips should drop temperatures more.

 

I am hoping to pick one of these up from @ HIDevolution. I'm still unsure of which upgrades to get, I was thinking Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU, Gelid GC Extreme on GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat-sensitive surfaces, I don't think 2666Mhz RAM would make much of a difference but it might be worth getting dual channel. Wich upgrades did you choose?

 

I upgraded the WiFi card to the Intel 9260 w/BT5.0, and ordered another power adapter...hmmm...but now I see that instead of 280W they are being listed at 330W, and for $30 more. Time to email Ted and see what's up with that. I think Deks, who resides "across the pond" from me, has a 300W, so I wondered from the onset why the US only got 280W...

As for the thermal upgrades, (1) it's nothing that I don't plan on doing myself; and (2) since I want to install 3000+ memory (and see what happens - I was originally thinking of 32GB G.Skill 3000, but now I'm leaning toward 16GB G.Skill 3200) - and according to Deks the heatsink needs to be removed to upgrade the memory - having HIDevolution repaste the CPU and GPU would have been a waste of money, especially since I have a ton of GC Extreme sitting on my shelf (I also have 2 tubes of Conductonaut as well, but after losing a $700 Xeon E5 2696v2 (most likely due to my applying too much, I'm sure), I think I'll stick to non-conductive pastes for the time being). I just need to see where to get the thermal pads from.

 

Did you get the extended warranty?. Normally I would say its a waste of money but for this laptop, I'm thinking it could be worth it

 

Nope...no extended warranty. I admit, I'm not sure why EU countries get 2 years and the US only one, but believe me - I plan on finding out right quick, way before the year is up, if this machine is going to die under heavy workloads.

 

HIDevolution is obviously offering better customization options (albeit at a higher price).

Though something is confusing to me... does the USA version GL702ZC come with thermal pads on VRM's and VRAM chips?
HIDevolution is offering a repaste with Conductonaut on CPU (which obviously means its viable for use there), Gelid GC extreme on GPU and 'stock thermal pads'.
The UK version has no 'thermal pads' on the VRM's or VRAM's (or at least, mine doesn't)... so I'm curious.

As for my power supply... it's model number is: ADP-330AB D
According to Google, this is indeed a 330W power brick.
I got my unit from LaptopsDirect... so it could be that Asus simply used the same Japanese supplier of power bricks that Dell used for UK versions.
However, I do think 280W should be more than enough... especially if people undervolt the CPU and GPU, or choose to run 3.6GhZ across all cores with a minuscule undervolt on the CPU and similar to mine undervolt on RX 580.

The official UK specs for GL702ZC state the power brick is 280W... so I'm not sure why I got a more powerful one.
I guess I won't be complaining about it though for when I repaste and overclock the CPU to 3.6GhZ across all cores (but also drop the voltage by 2 notches from stock) - but as I said, even a 280W power brick should suffice.


It will be good to see other people perform a bit of a thermal upgrade on this laptop and post their results.

Also, guys, definitely undervolt the GPU and CPU.
Latest MSI afterburner set with core voltage to -93mV works on my GPU... although -100mV was stable for games like Mass Effect Andromeda, and even Firestrike TimeSpy went through on several occasions with -100mV (though it also crashed the system a couple of times on it too... -93mV seems stable across all workloads for me).
As for the CPU... using Ryzen Master Threadripper, I was able to undervolt the CPU to 0.98125V on 3.2GhZ stable.
3.3 GhZ runs stable on 1.05V.
3.6 GhZ might run stable on just 1 or two notches below 1.1875V, but need to do long term testing on that one.

Couple that with a repaste and quality thermal pads, this machine could easily end up being one of the best - especially if asus releases newer BIOS for Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3.

 

Two-year warranty (EU law)-thisismoney.co.uk. Some countries have +2 years... Norway have 5 years.

 

When I receive my unit I will open it up and give it a look in re: thermal pads, etc. Perhaps ASUS included thermal pads on their new batches of these units (possibly in response to your well documented trials and tribulations?)?

Ted from HIDevolution responded to my email this morning re: the 280W vs 300W vs 330W power brick conundrum. Seems there was a typo on the original HIDevolution product page, and the power bricks are 330W after all.

I have to tell you, I'm really liking Ted, HIDevolution, and the integrity/lack of B.S. they have displayed so far. I should have checked them out years ago!

I believe it was on another thread that you may have mentioned that you could not find 3200MHz ram. Granted, they only seem to be available in 8GB sticks, and I'm not sure about availability in the EU, but this is what my revised plan entails: https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16grs

I hope they work well in this rig!

 

The highest frequency RAM I could find in UK for laptops of DDR4 variety are 3000 MhZ ones on Ebay UK and Amazon UK... and at their cheapest (from ebay), they cost £400.

If I end up upgrading the RAM at some point in the future to higher frequency ones (provided that prices also drop), I'd like to get at least 1000 MhZ boost... or more.

And as for Asus potentially including thermal pads due to my experiences... now that would be interesting, and a bit inconsiderate when you take into account I supplied them with Fujipoly thermal pads and Gelid GC extreme and requested they apply both when I sent the unit for RMA... alas, they did not... they said they have certain factory standards to work with and they can't deviate from those (which is odd, considering they said prior to it that they could consider applying those if I supplied the materials and made the request).
At the very least if they included the thermal paste in newer batches, I hope they provided proper ones (at a minimum 11w/mK from Alphacool or Fujipoly would be considered 'good quality').
I'd appreciate it if you could let me know if they did include them

Asus support is not exactly what I would call 'consistent'.

It's a shame we don't have something like HIDevolution here in UK... but then again, most such organisations unfortunately have a tendency to rip off consumers for even higher prices... at which point it becomes cost prohibitive (when you take into account that for the price Asus is asking, they should have integrated all of the bells and whistles with the original model) and much easier to upgrade yourself (but in case of this machine, it's a bit questionable as you obviously want to avoid potential failures and having to resort to RMA-ing the unit which would require of you to restore it to the original configuration so your Warranty doesn't end up void).

 

Funny thing...I downloaded the manual for this laptop last night...went to the section on upgrading. It shows how to upgrade the drives, but offers nothing on the ram! Too bad - if it showed the removal of the heatsink, then one could make an argument that the warranty cannot be voided. I still don't get the whole warranty thing. Obviously one can open the back to make the drive upgrades, so that wouldn't void the warranty. Where does it state that removing the heatsink voids it? Is there a sticker to break?

 

None that I could see while I was upgrading the SSD

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Thanks for the pics! I have a 500GB 960 waiting to get dropped in (forgot to mention that I ordered my unit without an SSD). Also have a 1TB 850 to replace the hard drive with (why not!?!). BTW, I read one review where the reviewer stated that if someone has small enough fingers another ram module could be installed. That statement seemed a bit nonsensical to me, and Deks indicated that trying to install a ram module without removing the heatsink first is a no go. I can't tell how much clearance there is between the heatpipes and the top ram slot, but it doesn't look like there is enough to get the proper installation angle necessary. Am I right? I only ask because I wanted to run some baseline measurements and dual channel benchmarks before repasting if it was possible.

 

I guess it depends on what someone considers to be 'small fingers'... plus, I don't think I'm fat considering my weight is well in the recommended range, I exercise on a regular basis and my fingers tend to be maybe on the slightly thinner end... but I can tell you I tried fitting the RAM stick into the slot without removing the heatsink, and it was a no-go for me.
You could try doing it yourself and see if you are more successful though.

 

For tight spaces like that it depends on your dexterity and ability to focus.

To me there looks like there is room enough to slot in the memory, but you'd need to use your fingers to open the metal "fingers" on each side and go straight in.

If you "bend" the heatpipe ever so slightly you might be able to get above the metal fingers and push down to seat it "normally", but I think if you practice on the one a little more accessible first to hone your technique you might just make it straight in with the metal fingers pulled out of the way.

Those pictures @Caretaker01 posted makes it look possible, but then again there's no substitute for hands on so I'll defer to @Deks 's view.

There's a lot of skill required for disassembly and reassembly of the cooling parts, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing it for the first time try what amounts to re-pasting the CPU / GPU only to install memory.

Where did you buy it? I'd get it from a place that will upgrade the memory for you if you aren't comfortable doing it yourself, and if you already bought it, see if that seller will upgrade it for you.

From past experiences Asus won't install memory for you on RMA officially, but I've had success driving in to the local depot and "asking nicely" with memory in hand. They did it while I waited. This was for a hard to reach under the keyboard install at the time.

That was years ago and it's possibly no longer possible. If you have an Asus depot close by, it's worth a drive by. Practice a sincere soulful puppy dog eye's in the mirror before going. ')

 

It's really simple to remove the cooling assembly actually.
It's held in place by various screws obviously which don't separate from it and the entire thing is a singular unit.
The only screws to really keep an eye on would be the smaller ones for the fans.
So its a simple matter of just opening the cooling assembly and rotating it outwards as a whole, putting it RAM stick, and then just rotating the assembly back into position and screwing everything down.

Though, obviously, if one wants to avoid removing the whole assembly out of the way, then just lift it partially/slightly to gain better access, and install the second RAM stick... can be a bit tricky obviously if you're doing it yourself, but should be doable.

No local depots here in my area unfortunately... if there were, I could just go there directly with the laptop, GC Gelid extreme and Fujipoly thermal pads and ask them nicely to put those in while I wait (which would probably be successful in comparison to asking them doing it during RMA).

 

I've been taking laptops apart for years, including my P570WM, so taking off the heatsink doesn't bother me...but I just hate the labor involved in repasting, so I try to limit how many times I have to do it. I can't tell you how many times I had to do it with the P570WM, with that one ram module under the heatsink/fan. And then, if I had good temps, and I removed the heatsink for some reason, and then the temps get worse, I had to repaste again in the hope that I could get those nice temps back....it's a viscious circle...

Anyway, got an email from HIDevolution this evening - the parts are being picked out and the unit is in pre-production..so hopefully the wait won't be much longer!

 

So, why don't you have HIDevolution expand the memory for you? Or are you...?

 

Asus appears to officially support ram up to 2666, and that is as high as HIDevolution's offerings go...I wish to go higher.

On an unrelated note, I see that the new Ryzens require AGESA 1.1.0.1. I think Deks stated that this laptop currently has 1.0.0.7, so I guess we'll know soon enough if Asus is going to support us like we hope they will.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12426/am4-motherboard-apu-bios-updates

 

Scroll to minute 6:50 and observe a seamless install of another ram piece. Not ideal but it seems to work.

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YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!! @Deks, better start doing some finger pilates!!!

 

Finger pilates ,

Also AMD is ginda giving some love to RX 580 GPU in their last driver update claiming game FPS improvement on some titles in the last 18.2.2 update.
https://community.amd.com/docs/DOC-1932

 

I've heard HIDevolution will do "special" requests, did you ask if they will order what you want and install it?

Alternatively you can order the memory you want and have it delivered to HIDevolution for installation. That way they can complete it and test if for you, and you don't need to open it up again - and risk needing to lift the heatpipes and re-paste.

 

Ok...so here's the scoop:

I just talked to Ted @ HIDevolution. He assured me that, yes indeed, the heatsink does not need to be removed to get access to top ram slot and add/remove sticks. Apparently the tech people there have been getting more and more acquainted with this laptop and figuring out what is possible and what is not. So, I decided to add the top-notch thermal upgrade to my order. Great for me, but not too exciting for the rest of you unless you plan on experimenting with your ram, in which case it is somewhat exciting, I guess...

But wait! There's more! Ted also told me that since the processor is socketed, they are looking into seeing how the system reacts to putting a 1700X in it! Yes, they know all about wattage and thermals and what not, and they realize there may be some throttling and that some modifications may need to be made, but they are going for it!

So while I wouldn't hold my breath for an offering to become available anytime soon, I'm anxious to see what they come up with!

 

Arghh, as I was reading your post I started thinking they were gonna give you a free upgrade to a 1700X so you could be a guinea pig for them - that would be cool!

 

I wouldn't mind beta-testing one, but I have a feeling that there will be too many kinks to work out such that it better stay in-house!

 

I'm telling you, it was a no-go for me for installing the RAM stick... was extremely awkward and borderline dangerous (because it could damage the stick - so I didn't want to risk it).
The stick kept falling off when it was under the heat pipes, couldn't push it in properly, and after 30 mins of messing about I was starting to get worried I could damage the pins.
But I also mentioned that you should try doing it yourself and see if you might end up with different results.

Anyway, I'm just upgrading the drivers to latest ones.
Good to see improvements for RX 580.

Any idea on when we might get Wattman functionality on Windows for our RX 580?
In addition to the core undervolt, I think the GPU memory would also benefit from the undervolt as well.

 

No idea when or if the Wattman miracle is going to happen, I just regularly check out and forums and happend to come across the release notes, also this update enabled GPU in task manager so that is good


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I don't doubt you for a minute, Deks. I'm sure I speak for many when I state that I very much appreciate all of your efforts and the knowledge you've bestowed in this and the other thread.
Hopefully by next week I'll be able to start reporting my findings as well, and much of what I will be doing will be based on your elucidations. I raise my glass to you! Cheers!

 

double post - please delete

 

Looking forward to see how your unit holds up (please also let us know of your ASIC quality - I'm curious if later batches or those in the USA are of higher quality).

With CPU and GPU undervolt, the machine runs great.
Nothing to complain about really (apart of course the low battery life).

Now if I can just be bothered to apply Gelid GC extreme and Thermal Pads, I'd be all set.


I'm actually glad I got the laptop (considering the horrific desktop GPU prices)... but I would prefer we get Wattman for VRAM undervolting (and also potentially lowering the voltage on the first 2 P states for the gpu).

Btw... what are the chances we will see a Zen 2 analogy of 1700 with a vega iGP and 12 cores/24threads?
The new process should hopefully allow it (and the iGP addition might actually enhance the battery life by a lot).

Given what we know of IBM's 7nm process (of it allowing 5ghZ base), and overall reductions... It would be nice to see Zen 2 1700 with 12c/24th, 4GhZ and Vega iGP.
Possible, or wishful thinking for more cores?
side-grading to another 8c/16th would probably we fine as long as it comes with much higher clocks and a vega iGP in 65W.

 

Sounds like a dream comes true - and, I think it is entirely possible, I'm just not sure how soon....all that @65W might be asking a lot. Now if they went to, say, 95W and beefed-up the cooling...
And that's my greatest "fear" about this laptop, if you can call it a "fear": something might come down the pike soon that is all AMD and better than this model, in which case I would be flipping this unit right quick!
I just wish the aesthetics had been a bit different and that the machine had been marketed as something like a "mobile supercomputer", like what Eurocom does with the Clevo models, so as to encourage a wider demographic to buy in. And give me upgradeable dedicated graphics next time, and another NVMe slot - and ditch the 2.5" hard drive bay, and add two more DIMM slots in its place...with fries and a chocolate shake, pretty please!
Asking too much? At the current price point, yeah probably. I know you lamented about the price of this laptop in the UK, but I'm happy that one can get a DTR like this, with an 8 core desktop processor, for as low as US$1399!

 

I hear ya there on that !

I am watching this thread to see how you go with your purchase as I am also about to pull the trigger and order one of these thru HIDevolution

Will be very interesting to see what you get, how it was setup and what your overall thoughts on the laptop and suppler are.

IIRC you were going for a Samsung 960 NVMe drive? I would be super super interested to see what speeds you can pull off that drive via the USB Gen 2 "C" port.

If only they had put a 10Gbps ethernet port on this thing.......too much to ask? Ok then I'll have one of those chocolate thick shakes please........

Tagging along.......

 

I have my baby running a Samsung evo 960 NVMe and some external hard drives, from western digital and Seagate, they are not the fastest as I currently use them for photos backup, but I'd be glad to provide some information about some of your interests.

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Hi caretaker,

My interest in this laptop is video encoding. Those 8 cores are a tasty proposition for my type of use - especially in a laptop body. It further suits me because I travel between my lake front home and my home here in the city - its about a 1100 Klm commute each way, so lots of travelling up and down. To have a desktop 8 core CPU in a laptop body that I can easily move around is so attractive to me - battery is a non issue to me because I will be plugged in at either end.

So the thing is, the I/O on this laptop is not that great. How to get those huge files onto the laptop for processing and back off the laptop once cooked? 1Gbps ethernet is not appealing. USB 3.1 Gen 1 is at least a bit faster then 1Gbps ethernet. USB 3.1 Gen 2 is even better again. But how to saturate that link with the sparse HDD/M2 slots on this laptop?

The only possible way I can see is to use an NVMe PCIe SSD in that M2 (luckily ASUS made that M2 PCIe compatible).

A higher quality NVMe SSD can easily generate the Gen 2 USB speeds - I only need to get as fast as the Gen 2 - anything more then that and its effectively wasted.

Of course to get those speeds moving across the Gen 2 USB port infers there is a fast SSD or HDD raid array on the other side.

So if all those conditions ARE met, what are the real world speeds that can be achieved?

If its possible for you to check I would love to know. What speeds can you get off that type C Gen 2 port to the external drives you have?

 

'Mobile supercomputer' is exactly what they should have gone with... and Asus needs to provide us with a new BIOS for Zen2 and Zen3.
But, I don't think your requests are out of the ordinary considering the original price ($1600 in US, or £1600 in UK)... they're well within that price range (don't forget the fact that Asus could have made a much better cooling for this laptop as well... the size of the 17" chassis is quite large after all... even with the 2.5" hdd, we still have a lot of space inside).

An MXM GPU would have been a lot better though and would have easily fit into this design... I don't like being stuck with just 1 gpu.... but consider the alternative: most laptop MXM gpu's of newer variety would cost a LOT more than their desktop counterparts and wouldn't exactly be a good/viable purchase from a cost efficiency point of view.
Plus, there's the issue of some OEM's using inverted MXM interface (which makes most mobile MXM GPU's incompatible by default).

While laptops easily have the capacity to be modular in every respect... OEM's simply don't (and won't) design them like this.
Never mind the premise that MXM GPU's are usually sold on e-bay of all places for horribly large prices vs their desktop counterparts.

However, I don't think we have too much to worry about for the RX 580.
With an increasing amount of DX12 support in programs and software, I'm thinking that our gpu will be capable for some time to come.

 

Btw... it looks like we can forget Wattman functionality on GL702ZC.
I posted a thread on it in AMD community forums... and one of the officials (Ray I think) said that its due to laptops having thermal constraints why Wattman is disabled in drivers for ALL mobile hardware.

Thermal constraints... how silly.
I tried explaining that OEM's usually under-design the cooling which causes thermal throttling and hardware failures in laptops, which is why most people who would use Wattman on laptops would UNDERVOLT the GPU... not overclock it... or they would undervolt AND overclock to maximize performance AND drop power consumption.
Most people usually settle for an undervolt on stock though.

Still, I was told there's nothing that can be done since the GPU in GL702ZC is probably registering as a mobile part, which is why the drivers don't allow Wattman to appear.

If this is the case, we might be able to enable Wattman via 2 methods:
1. Alter the device ID so it doesn't register as a mobile part, but a desktop part.
2. Flash a desktop RX 580 4GB BIOS onto the mobile one - this would likely overwrite existing P states and instead of 3 of them, we'd end up with 6 or 7 of them just like on the desktop version.

Problem is... not sure if either of those methods would work...
Not sure how to alter device ID exactly for the RX 580...
And as for flashing a desktop RX 580 4GB VBIOS onto the GL702ZC one... well, we don't know if the graft would be succesful... plus, there are power constraints to think about... because the mobile one is restricted to 68W as a whole... the desktop one... not by a long shot.

But if it were to work, we could likely apply much lower voltages to lower P states as well, resulting in low power draw and temperatures at idle (not to mention higher battery life).

 

That AMD response is good feedback to send to Asus through a ticket addressed to the development manager / engineer for that model. That's worked for me before... it's worth a couple of ticket go around's.

 

Yet another response on the forums.
This is the third person now that says that laptops aren't meant to be overclocked at the mention of missing Wattman in drivers.

Are these people daft?
I keep trying to explain that UNDERVOLTING and overclocking are not the same thing and that Wattman is not only used for overclocking.

Heck, in most cases with AMD hardware, you can undervolt and overclock easily enough resulting in lower power draw, lower temperatures and higher performance at the same time.
But mostly, people trying to mod their laptops usually end up undervolting to ensure their hardware produces same performance at lower power draw and temperatures, ensuring long term stability and usability of the hardware as well (preventing failures due to heat, etc.).

 

Yeah, I run into that all the time, people have trigger's that they have to regurgate their response without thinking, then will go back later - maybe - and re-read and respond again.

All you can do is keep repeating it with each new response, maybe shorten / vary / lengthen the response to give the answer from another view / angle, so they don't reject the same word forms out of hand.

Sometimes people have " Frog Vision", they see something jump in front of them and they need to shoot their tongues out to catch it.

 

Yeah... there's that, and then of course when you explain the difference then comes the following:
'Well sure, but regardless, that's how it is with OEM's and there's nothing we can do about it'
One even suggested to contact Asus about this... except that AMD is responsible for this limitation in the first place.... never mind the premise that Asus probably wouldn't even bother replying to that inquiry.
Besides, OEM's have a history to merely supplying original drivers for their laptops and releasing nothing beyond that point... except possibly the BIOS.

 

It's actually up to AMD, they need to add the GPU id to their installer and whatever looks up support for Wattman when it runs.

Same happens with Nvidia, the vendor submits the ID and Nvidia includes it in the next Installer release.

But, the vendor can "bug" AMD and Nvidia, and we can submit requests in the feedback threads and open tickets with the vendor to do their part in getting AMD and Nvidia to recognize the ID needs adding.

I really hope AMD / Asus get their comm's channel working.