Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge

Hi there. I am currently running 3.2GHz @ 0.98125V (got this info here, Thanks btw). I want to customize different profiles for different use such as low clocks for working and for battery and high clocks for gaming. Can anyone provide a table for safe voltages for lets say 2.4GHz to 3.7GHz or even 4.0GHz(if possible). I don't know where to start regarding safe voltages for a particular frequency. I know each silicon varies and I can dial up the voltage and/or dial down the frequency if its unstable/crashing, but it would be nice for me and any n00bs to have a proven reference.

 

Nope, no one can, overclocking and voltage tampering is entirely based on the silicon lottery method, as no chip is the same in the manufacturing process no one can assure you which voltage goes to which frequency.
During the research and development process there will be some basic sets that work across all chips and those are all ready being handled and apllyed in all chips.
The voltages and speeds mentioned here used for overclocking are hit or miss, there aren't too many variables and each user needs to determine them on their own

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That's why I use the "core offset" voltage adjustment, it works in negative and positive numbers, with current Kabylake/Coffeelake (before 6c/12t, so only 4c/8t) -100mV works for most as an undervolt, so it's a good starting place.

But, the range is from -15mV - -220mV, so if you got a poor undervolting CPU then -100mV will likely not be stable, even at stock speeds.

The lower you go in frequency on one or all cores from stock you can usually begin to undervolt more. And, as you OC past stock your stable undervolt will decrease.

Older CPU's undervolt less, with less range, but usually -75mV is ok as a starting place at stock speeds.

As long as you are undervolting your aren't going to damage the CPU, it's the overvolt that can be dangerous, so as you add voltage nearing max OC (for older CPU's, Kabylake I can undervolt even at 4.5ghz) use small increments. I had a +100mV overvolt on a Broadwell to reach 4.2ghz, it ran hot but I could benchmark.

Intel XTU has profiles to save and load that you can make for higher and lower clocks, or anything really - I have several for benchmark OC, daily OC, long batch job under-OC, etc.

Good luck

 

Hey guys,

Hi to all.

I’ve just got one of these beasts, but it is the 6 core ryzen 1600 version.

Couple of questions:

I am on high performance battery mode as its used for gaming etc. Is that what you guys are on?

Secondly my temps are pretty high. I know its a desktop cpu and gpu but at IDLE my gpu is 64c (fan 19%) and cpu is 70c. Sometimes drops to mid 60’s.

That seems pretty high compared to what I have read. At load on Far Cry 5 gpu was around 85c and cpu hit 89c.

Thats pretty high but not unexpected from reviews. Its mainly the idle temps. The gpu is constant 1077mhz idling...

So yeah fans are on just watching or browsing.

Using latest drivers for gpu, and amd adrenaline software.

Any ideas?

Thanks

 

Two things:
Use AMD Ryzen Master utility to undervolt the CPU in creator tab.
Use MSI Afterburner to undervolt the GPU to about -93mV on the core (so it should consume less power under load).

Also, in the GPU drivers, go to global settings and activate 'Power Efficiency' (that should prevent the GPU from spiraling upwards to maximum under regular loads).

But, seeing that your idle temps are ridiculously high (mine are 47 deg C for CPU and 43 deg C for GPU), perhaps something else is happening that might be resulting in that.

If this is how your laptop behaves from factory (since buying it), it might be a hardware problem, and you could ask for an exchange.

Alternatively, please check to ensure that nothing is taxing your CPU and GPU (such as runaway bitcoin code that might have been installed with software).
Try restarting Windows and running the setup under Ryzen Balanced mode.

 

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

So I havnt tried undervolting and would prefer not to until Ive established what everyones baseline Idle temps are without an undervolt-yours above are with the undervolt?

I had already activated power efficiency but it only dropped a couple degrees, to around 59-60c idle gpu.

I have ‘balanced’ power mode which didnt seem to do anything but I don’t have the ‘Ryzen balanced’ like I do on my desktop..I forget how to get that. How do you get that?

It has latest bios (303) but I didnt install the latest/only chipset drivers because it came up with a ton of unusual options that looked like they would interfere with the gpu driver software/adrenaline.

No accidental miners installed, cpu load is very low almost all the time, same with gpu load even though its running at 1077mhz.

Can’t test until next week now but wondering if its simply a thermal paste issue-I won’t be doing anything with that and if so the laptop will go back-its brand new!

30mins prime it reached 95c on cpu which while uncomfortable is in line with some other reviewers. Obviously id prefer it lower but its the idle temps (and thus fans) that seem mad.

I may have been a bit harsh yesterday but idle temps are definately 65c on Cpu and 60-62 on gpu.

Running latest creators update 1709.

 

The baseline temperatures would not be affected by the undervolt, unless we manually modify individual P states, and Ryzen Master doesn't allow us to do this on GL702ZC. What we can affect with the undervolt are temperatures under maximum load (so for example, in Prime 95, instead of 95c on the CPU, you could get 85c or less - how low your CPU and GPU can undervolt depends on your silicon quality).

The temperatures I mentioned above: 47 deg C for CPU and 43 for GPU (during idling or basic tasks), are my regular ones with or without Ryzen Master utility running.

If you hadn't installed latest chipset drivers, I strongly suggest you do this.
They shouldn't interfere with adrenaline (although you may need to re-install GPU drivers afterward).
Just download the latest chipset drivers from AMD's website and pick express install for the chipset.
Once you restart, check to see if your GPU drivers were affected (downgraded)... and if they were, just run the installation again, only this time, pick the latest GPU drivers, and again use 'Express' installation.

Alternatively, completely remove existing drivers from your system and do a clean chipset and driver install... though AMD's driver set allows for a clean install as well.
You should be able to retain Freesync functionality though, and nothing like that should end up affected - mine certainly wasn't.

Check if you may have any needless software pre-installed... but there's a chance your older chipset drivers might be causing the problem... alongside the pre-installed Windows 10 (that thing is just bug riddled, and I fixed all of my issues with the system by doing a clean install - but if you do perform a clean Win 10 install, make sure to backup your existing OS state first just in case - and download needed drivers for this machine on the usb).

EDIT: you could also try running Malwarebytes free to see if you might have malicious code executing in the background (just to be sure).

 

just make my laptop cooler and the laptop fan won't come on. see this forum for photos

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Hi,

Thanks for this.

So I have managed to have some time with the laptop, it ran much cooler when booted and left on idle but after some stress testing (only firestrike this time) it topped out at 83c on both cpu and gpu. Happy with that (well considering all things).

Installed latest chipset from AMD website which was 18.10b (?) What is your chipset version?

Anyway also using Ryzen balanced mode-are your idle temps given using this?

Anyway its a little cooler. 57-60cpu (after idling 20mins after benching) and 51c with gpu.

The temps measured using coretemp seem to spike briefly (they do on my desktop using ryzen master monitoring too) to about 61c every few seconds. If it wasnt got this, cpu would probably be 57c which is roughly in line with reviewers.

No malware or bloatware.

This laptop is so cool (ironic) but its making things difficult. Is there a factory reset from asus in bios? I do not have a memory stick on me right now.

 

How warm is it where you are?
What's the environmental temperature?
Bear in mind that in really warm climates, your ambient temperature could easily contribute towards higher idling temps... but they still seem a bit high.

My chipset version is 18.10b like yours, and my power profile is also set to AMD Ryzen Balanced.

As for the factory reset... there's no option for it in BIOS... you need to jump start the Asus recovery by using their utility:
https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1013001/#


Bear in mind though that Windows 10 Creator Fall upgrade broke my factory reset partition and made it inaccessible/useless.

I did a clean Windows 10 install and that solved my problems... the OEM Windows 10 install is just BUGGY.

I hypothesize that there might be several reasons for your higher idling temps:
1. Higher ambient temperature
2. Asus improperly applied their thermal paste
3. Buggy OS install, or incorrect sensor readouts?
4. You might be keeping the laptop on an uneven surface which could be reflecting the heat back to it and obstructs airflow.

What are you using to monitor the temperatures?
I'm using ROG Gaming center and occasionally third party software (up to date - older versions of these programs had a problem and reported about 10c higher temps).

 

Thanks for the reply.

So I am in the UK and so ambient temperatures are not an issue

I did a restore in windows earlier (which wiped all drives) but wasn’t a proper restore in my books. Anyway tenps were even worse after that.

Software used to monitor is ryzen monitor and core temp. Both reporting the same temps.

Its on a special laptop table with space for the vents on the back. No issue there.

Might be a buggy OS but im going with incorrect thermal paste application. It’s going back as I’ve spent way too much time trying to sort (I have been an IT sysadmin in the past but now disabled so this stuff just takes way too much out of me).

It’s a real shame cos the laptop is so great in concept. I just wish either quality control or the cooling solution (probably both) were better. The idea of an all amd laptop really appeals and I love ryzen!

 

Just ask for a replacement in that case. I agree it's likely bad quality control and improper cooling combination. This is a 17" machine that has plenty of room inside for decent cooling. The fact that temperatures tend to go up in the 90-ies or 80-ies under load is actually not good if you ask me. This laptop should not really go beyond 65 degrees c on gpu (considering it's limited to 68w) under max load and 75-80 degrees c on cpu under max load.
But Asus like any other OEM doesn't think things through when using AMD hardware. For that matter, their cooling across the ROG line is atrocious to begin with... and GL702ZC is better than most (which is good, but also sad).

Granted, one can easily manage the load temps by undervolting both cpu and gpu and dropping 10deg c for both individually (which will reduce the fan noise when the gpu is fully or partially stressed).
But realistically, we shouldn't have to do this in a machine as large as this laptop.

 

did you guys see the water cooled version of our laptop? it has a water cooling dock. I wonder if ours can be adapted to use it..

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Sure it can, but you will have to forget about warranty and invest some serious money it designing a custom water cooling system, not to mention the fact that the bottom pannel will have to be cut off to adjust the input of the fitting
Also I don't see why would you do that? The laptop will become a desktop if you achieve that and I think it will be cheaper to buy a water cooled desktop.
It's not easy to create a system where the laptop adjusts itself to either use the built-in fans for when you want to be portable and later on dock it and have it switch to the docking water cooled system

 

when I watched that video, I noticed that the change to the our laptop was minimal.. just a different cooling block that just has an extra compartment where the water can wander around.

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Link to the video please.

 

i found it:

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I live in the S.F Bay Area. Even after gaming for hours my GL702ZC never, ever gets above 83 degrees. Usually it stays below 80; with about 33% fan - based on HWinfo. Now that I have everything sussed out with my new laptop I'm thinking about overclocking. I noticed Ryzen Master has no controls to adjust the base clock. I've read of good results from this overclocking method. I usually just play with the multipliers. I'd love to undervolt the GPU as well if anyone has suggestions. I have Afterburner, but can't write in the EULA. It won't give me access to the .cfg file. I wish Wattman worked for us.

 

The main thing you need to do in Afterburner (latest one), is to unlock voltage control and voltage monitoring in the settings.
Once you applied that, just set the core voltage to -93mV (I found this to be the most stable setting for me.. and I have a relatively low ASIC quality).

As for overclocking the base clocks... that's rather simple in Ryzen Master. Go to creator mode and set the slider to say 3.3 GhZ and CPU voltage to say 1.05V (this is what's stable for me).

Again, these settings are for my laptop (and given my laptop was one of the first ones that was released, the silicon quality is not exactly 'stellar'). So if you have a better silicon quality, you could probably undervolt better.

For the load temperatures, I was of course referring to maxed out load... not 'partial load' when the CPU is stressed under say games or other software that doesn't max out the CPU. 3d Studio Max maxes it out easily for example.

As for toying with multipliers (or RAM frequencies for that matter)... no go for those under a locked BIOS I'm afraid.
So, unless we can unlock the BIOS, then you won't get far.
However, you can still undervolt and overclock the CPU... and of course, undervolt the GPU.

 

For S & Gs I reran a few benchmarks (@ stock) and they've actually improved a few points. I bought mine in March and I'm sure the silicon improved a bit. My CineBench score is 1415. I've noticed the new six core Ryzen's beat this score. What it that, a 20% - 25% improvement? (3% IPC increase times # of cores.) I just love this laptop. The CPU will remain up-gradable until 2020, I understand. If one was so inclined, they could swap in a new 65 watt 2700. I think I'm 'future-proofed' for the next five years; perhaps I'll have to reduce a few game settings - currently everything runs on ultra or very high. In a year or two: high. In a few more years: medium. As for the CPU, games threading will get 'wider', not 'taller', so there we're 'all good'. As to all my other applications, this will be more than sufficient. Damn, I love this thing.

 

When RAM prices go down I'll buy 32GB of faster RAM (2900 DDR4 b-dies) - then buy that version of Store MI -https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2018/01/10/faster-easier-simpler-storage-technology-enmotus-fuzedrive-for-amd-ryzen
- that works with this B 350 MB. It utilizes 2 GB for tiered storage. Thirty GBs remaining should be (more than) sufficient for everything else. Am I correct: more RAM, less writing to the SSD? - pagefile. I have a barely-used 512 GB Samsung 850 SSD that I'll eventually throw into this when/if this one wears out.
By the way, have I mentioned, lately, how much I dig this computer?

 

Upgradeability is of course possible, but, its also tricky since it requires a BIOS update from Asus to support new CPU's.
Yeah, technically upgrading this laptop with 2700 should be possible, but the base clocks are at 3.2GhZ. I'm already running mine on 3.3GhZ across all cores and an undervolt... so I don't think I'd gain a lot.
My CB score is close to 1500 on 3.3 GhZ... and I could likely experiment with higher clocks too... but yeah, having a baseline increase of 200 MhZ and lower voltages is of course preferable as Ryzen+ has better control of turbo boosting the cores.

I think the biggest gain in performance will come from 7nm... that's what we should aim to upgrade to (provided that Asus releases a new BIOS - and they hadn't bothered to do that just yet for Ryzen+).

But otherwise, yes, I'd say we are covered for several years.

 

There are a couple of versions of the StoreMI => FuzeDrive:

Enmotus FuzeDriveTM for AMD RyzenTM
Machine Intelligence Learns How You Use Your Computer And Maximizes Performance
http://www.enmotus.com/amd#FuzeDrive

The Performance You Need AND The Capacity You Want
1TB-10TB vSSDTM
FuzeDrive for AMD Ryzen software combines your performance SSD with capacity storage into a single fully automated volume. Your active data is dynamically placed on your fast storage media without any manual intervention. Advanced Machine Intelligence learns how you use your system and ensures SSD performance for all of your applications.

FuzeDrive Basic

• Up to 128 GB Fast Tier SSD1
• NVMe and SAS/SATA SSD
• 2GB FuzeRAM
• For AMD Ryzen
• $19.99

FuzeDrive Plus

• Up to 1TB Fast Tier SSD1
• NVMe and SAS/SATA SSD
• 4GB FuzeRAM
• For AMD Ryzen
• $59.99

Faster, Easier, Simpler Storage Technology: Enmotus FuzeDrive™ for AMD Ryzen™
Posted by don.woligroski in Gaming on Jan 10, 2018 9:06:51 AM
https://community.amd.com/community...ge-technology-enmotus-fuzedrive-for-amd-ryzen

StoreMI looks like a nice first consumer entré into what has been used in Enterprise environments for many years.

It could help improve performance of game loads and reduce stuttering in games loading levels while running, even when the games are installed on slow but cheap HDD storage.

AMD StoreMI Technology
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/store-mi

Originally posted here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ga-polaris-gpus.799348/page-443#post-10716130

Either this is new, Or I didn't notice it last time on their site, they have a Trial Offer and Download:

Virtual SSD Software - Free Trial Offer
http://www.enmotus.com/fuzedrive-server-free-trial

Since they use several names to refer to the same product, it's not clear if this is a free trial for "Virtual SSD" or "AMD FuzeDrive" ("StoreMI"), as the text says one thing and the URL says another, but the text does say your request will be reviewed and the right software will be provided.

If you do this trial, please come back and let us know how it works out

 

Thats a totally different chassis, not even close.

GX700 cooling/chassis:


GL702 cooling/chassis:

 

Base clock overclocking: from today's AMD reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8g0ocu/tried_10200mhz_base_clock_on_my_2700x_nvme_drive/

"Yep - Bclk is definitely more complicated, and there are more vectors for issues. Besides just stable CPU performance, any of the following may (or may not!) have issues with altered bclk:

PCIe - meaning video card communication, chipset communication, M.2 port, and any expansion card in PCIe

Memory - speed is BCLK * Mem Mod, so if you have 3200, it's normally 100*32 = 3200; with bclk at 103, that's 3296. So you have to ensure your multiplier is adjusted to a stable value for your ram

For me, my m.2 (bpx mydigitalssd 480) works fine all the way up to 105 (which is pointless to go to since 105 kills XFR2; if you're OK dropping XFR2 you're better off with multiplier OC). No issues with chipset/usb/sata, and mem was fine once I tweaked the settings to match the upped clock. However, my pcie hardware RAID card would choke at anything past 103, causing BSODs with storage-related error messages.

I later decided to pull it out and try windows fake raid; lost about 10% drive performance on the array, but since that's just my big-honkin'-storage-drive, it's really not all that impactful... But being able to bump my bclk back up into the 104's was worth it. ram, chipset, usb, sata, and m.2 are still stable.

So yeah, bclk is no picnic, but I think it's worth exploring for most people; IMO the outcomes are better than what most people can get out of flat all-core OC. The biggest advantage I had in all-core OC performance was Cinebench, where my bclk OC ended up being 97% of the all-core OC. But most heavily threaded apps were <1% behind, and single-core performance was significantly better. Better temps, too.

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  Thanks for the helpful and detailed comment, Bclk and memory clock on my X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming BIOS are on the same sub menu so i immediatly noticed the memory clocks changing at the same time as the Bclk, my M.2 is visible at 101.0, anything upper will trigger the instability (m.2 disappears and boot time of over a minute compared to 15-30 secs)"

 

Hello all!
First of all - sorry for my bad english.
I'm thinking about getting a new laptop for next 5++ years (my laptop is about 9 years old now) and think about GL702ZC (1600 version).
Another option 7700hq+1060mq (about same price in my region). 1060mq is ok but CPU is not really cool I think.
I like that this laptop with desktop components and as I can say - really good when need to change/clean/refresh termal soulution (easy access to components). Good screen, decent GPU and cooling system. And all for the price.
My primary goal is multimedia/browsing and photo/audio/video creation. But yes - I want play games, but I'm ok with no ultra setting if needed (720p is ok for me).
The only one game that I really need to play in the future is TES VI.
If it's helps - laptop that I own now have dual core 2.4 max and 512mb gpu. Still working but browsing is bad. Can't hadle fhd 60fps youtube. Can't handle fhd 60fps video editing smoothly. Can't handle "fat" photos...

So please help me with this questions:
- Build quality. Is it good? I mean not how it's beauty but what about the case? Can it make it through the years? (maybe your opinion about that) As I know it's got metal loops for monitor (it's really good)
- GPU. Is it ok for games for next 5 years with minimal settings and low res. (really need tes6 with 30fps atleast)?
- Noise. I know that it's a noisy machine but what about a regular browsing / watching YouTube (FHD 60fps for ex.)? Is it loud in browsing/office/listening music?
- Laptop don't have thunderbold 3 support but USB-C is gen. 2?
- What brings the 303 bios?
- Linux. It's Ok about Linux drivers? Debian.

Windows 7. I found all drivers to install Win7 to this machine (as I think) but don't sure about GPU.
Does drivers for regular rx580 from AMD website fits to laptop RX580 or I need special drivers only from ASUS website?
Is someone trying fully install Win7 with properly working GPU and freesync?

And please tell me your opinions for all thats time since this laptop came out. Is good overall?
Thank you in advance!

 

- Build quality: pretty good and seems sturdy enough. You won't know how long it will last until you actually use it - but generally speaking, if you do your part to maintain the system, then in all likeliness, it will continue to run for years to come.

- You do realize the RX 580 (limited to 68W) in this laptop is effectively on par with the mobile GTX 1060 with a TDP of 80W, right?
Performance-wise, you'll be able to play most, if not all games on Ultra in native resolution (1080p)... though, High settings at 1080p are more than enough for the graphics (because Ultra just needlessly stresses the hardware for minimal gains you will never notice anyway), and that should easily last you for about 5 years (after that, some games may require lowering the settings to 'medium', but it depends on the game, level of optimizations, etc. - personally, I don't see an issue).
You can also undervolt both the GPU and CPU for gaming, so that you will lower overall temperatures and noise while the CPU and GPU are under load.

- For regular browsing, youtube, office or listening to music, the machine is not really noisy - most of the time, the fans are barely audible on that. Gaming is another matter (but, even that can be better managed by undervolting the CPU and GPU).

- Three Type-A USB 3.1 Gen 1 ports are on hand for peripherals along with one reversible Type-C USB 3.1 Gen 2 capable of transferring data at 10Gbps.

- 303 bios mainly brings Virtualization support (it is now enabled by default) and AGESA 1.0.0.7 version

- I don't use Linux, but from what was mentioned here before, Linux runs great on GL702ZC.

 

Sir Deks has spoken very elegant and accurate about this device, and excuse me as I had a bit to many Brandy's as I am writing this, but as of my personal experience using this laptop for about 3 months I can offer this info as an architect and CGI content rendering user:

- Build quality. Depending on what device you are coming from, it may be an upgrade or an downgrade. Considering that cost cuts have been made in order for Asus to achieve in the first try what Clevo and Sager is making for years, this laptops internals are more then capable of doing an excellent job of cooling this device if you are willing to sacrifice a bit of noise. Aka using ROG preinstaled software (default set-up is garbage). It's not a well build laptop comparing it to my old Alienware m15x but it's sturdy enough to last year's to come if you place it on a desk and not move it much, parts do flex more than they should (display and keyboard) but nothing troublesome and weary.
- GPU is more than capable and has potential for further improvement especially for software and not gaming. Gaming is monthly improved via AMDs devotion to slice a piece of Nvidia's pie when it comes to game optimisation. Running this laptop on DotA 2 maxed out and assassin's Creed last one maxed out does crank up the GPU. Even running a crappy Gameloft window's store Metro game will have the GPU pump out more than it's needed to offer good experience to the user showing them that this hardware is capable enough so that users will buy it and developer's should code for it in order to further optimize they're games on other hardware then Nvidia. On the CAD and content creation software side AMD has done all it can to optimize the experience and it goes up to the developers to integrate the ryzen and Radeon code in their software witch will take time. As I like using Gimp for photo manipulation and not Photoshop or Adobe suite, only the last release offer's an excellent experience using this laptop, further attesting to my claim that AMD has been absent from the game for to long and developer's need to become reacquainted with it. OpenCL software optimized run on par or better then Nvidia builds as AMD did a good job with driver's as long as the developers optimized they're software to fully take advantage of this hardware.
- USB ports speed are there and will be useful much later on as of now software and games don't even take advantage of the SSD and m2 slots that are available.

Regardless of what Asus claims that this laptop is for gameing, this laptop is for content creation only as of this moment and it cateres to artists, designer's and content creators, that are willing to accept the early adopters syndrome.

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Two questions:

1. Since the desktop RX 580 is rather capable playing games at 2k with acceptable FPS (about 35 to 45FPS - in other cases, above that)... has anyone tried outputting games in 2k with the GL702ZC and seeing what FPS they would be getting with our RX 580 in contrast to the desktop version?

2. Moving forward, what would be the best method to try and persuade Asus to release BIOS updates with Zen+ and Zen 2 microcode support?
- I was thinking we could inquire with Asus about releasing BIOS patches that would integrate AMD's (not so serious) upcoming 'security patches' (as identified by the CTS labs) and to simultaneously integrate support for Zen+ and Zen2 (Zen 2 however would likely need to wait until AMD actually releases the said CPU's because the microcode updates can't be released unless AMD forwards necessary coding).

Note: I will reiterate what I said before... AMD should have full autonomy at upgrading the motherboard microcode updates themselves for a variety of chipsets as opposed to just releasing the said microcodes to OEM's and then we relying on them to release updates.

- I realize that this is usually done via OEM BIOS updates, but, wouldn't it be easier to give AMD full control over simple microcode updates over various chipsets they have? The BIOS basically needs a microcode injection to recognize and use the new CPU and it's features... this shouldn't interfere with the rest of the motherboard... though, I recall it was mentioned that Asus would have to write these properly into the BIOS to avoid other errors for Ryzen+ - but on another end, someone on these forums suggested that users could simply inject new microcode support themselves into a pre-existing BIOS version, and that this can be done with 'relative ease' (provided they had the said microcode updates).

Also, we'd likely benefit from an unlocked BIOS as it could give us better voltage control over the CPU, RAM frequencies, etc. - which again, we should be able to do ourselves as necessary software to unlock the BIOS on AMD motherboards does exist.

Anyone attempted to unlock the GL702ZC 303 BIOS yet?

 

A quick question. Are we running desktop or laptop DDR4? I plan on upgrading as the prices relax a bit.

 

Lucky for you, it uses SODIMMS, laptop RAM. Desktop RAM, i.e. DDR4 DIMMS, are even more expensive..

 

Just like the original 'guide' on modding the bios file to enable virtualization, I will be posting something similar on updating the microcode in BIOS 303 in the near future. Same principles apply, i.e requires a raspberry pi or similar to flash the bios.

 

is the new ryzen 7 2700 compatible with this model?

 

Look on the previous page of this thread for that answer.

 

As per the AGESA microcode currently in BIOS 303, no. It can be updated to do so if you're comfortable doing so.

 

Hold on what I previously said, I may have been a little over enthusiastic. Updating AGESA unfortunately doesn't seen as simple as slip streaming some new microcode ;( I will continue to hack on it though.

 

It might help if some (all?) of you owners opened a ticket with Asus to ask Asus to provide a BIOS update to support the Ryzen 2 CPU's.

 

Neee, tel them to you provide a ryzen 3 BIOS update, as ryzen 2 is cool but not a huge improvement, where I have a feeling that next year AMD will hit it out of the park and we will restart this conversation

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I'm of the opinion that it should be possible to extract AGESA and microcode from elsewhere. There is documented efforts of others doing it back in the Phenom X6 days. From my initial play around I can't see why it wouldn't work. But I'm not in a position to flash this modded BIOS image until next week when I'm off work and have lots of free time (I feel old writing that!).


Also re: RX580 vbios, I'll be having a look at that next week too.

 

I'm of this particular mindset as well.
The refresh series (while good) still doesn't bring much to the table that would necessitate upgrading from Ryzen 1. I'd rather wait for Zen2 which should bring much higher base frequencies on 7nm (about 1 GhZ higher across all cores) along with IPC improvements, better boost and power conservation technology.

 

If I recall correctly AMD started developing on 7nm process not to long now, they might not have a consumer ready CPU in time for Ryzen 3 launch. How significant it may prezent itself I believe they're going to announce it along side the newer socket and stop developing it for AM4.. Time will tell and one can hope I'm wrong about this.

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AMD is on track for a prompt release of 7nm.
They have a functioning silicon in the lab already on 7nm and are coming out with samples later this year and should ramp up to full production next year.
https://www.neowin.net/news/amds-got-working-7nm-silicon-in-its-labs-sampling-later-this-year

Intel however is a different story, as they experienced problems with 10nm and subsequent delays.

Zen architecture was in development for years before it saw the light of day.
I'm thinking that AMD specifically went with an architecture that can be improved upon, but also can be scaled up with IF (in order to lower costs, etc).
So, I don't think having a consumer ready Zen2 CPU on 7nm will be an issue timing wise.

I wonder if Zen+ might have been a better product if AMD decided to not just slap Ryzen 1 on it. AMD did improve on memory latencies, but they never took advantage of 15% higher chip density that was allowed by 12nm.
Somehow, I don't think this will be the case with Zen2 as I think we were informed that IPC increases will be incoming, along with other architectural improvements that should demonstrate to be more substantial than just a refresh.

This implies to me that Zen2 is fundamentally different than Zen1 and Zen+... or to be more accurate... a better developed/improved upon Zen architecture.
That's why they likely didn't bother with Zen+ having higher chip density... it was faster and cheaper to just slap the existing design on 12nm and give it more up-to date coding with latencies (though BIOS updates for existing Ryzen 1 also pretty much solved that problem... Ryzen+ clocks higher, can manage the boost and power consumption better).

 

I have a few more questions. What is the fastest anyone has clocked the (installed) memory - above 2400? Also, tightest timings; what are your settings? Has aanyone overclocked the base-clock yet? From 99.8 to 101 or 104*? Also, how many M.2 slots are there; is there an open/spare one? I have an extra 512 GB SSD.


* https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8g0ocu/tried_10200mhz_base_clock_on_my_2700x_nvme_drive/

 

If you don't get Asus in the habit of updating the BIOS to support new CPU's each generation - not just those you personally care about - then Asus won't be of a mind to do it when you are ready.

If Asus doesn't see a demand for upgrading to Ryzen 2.0 Asus won't do it for Ryzen 3.0 either, especially since by then Asus will have a new model Ryzen laptop to sell, and the current laptop model will be old news.

If you ask, if enough people ask Asus to update the BIOS for Ryzen 2.0 and Asus follows through, there is a much better chance Asus will update the BIOS for Ryzen 3.0, even if the laptop isn't currently for sale by then.

Always plan ahead, and don't let opportunities to help vendors know what's important pass by, always ask and follow through to get things rolling.

 

That's the thing.
I already asked twice whether they (asus) intends on releasing bios updates for Zen+ and Zen2.
In both instances, I never got a reply back.

 

Good on you for asking, as that's what it takes to eventually get an answer. Now that we have specific CPU model numbers, adding that in the next ask would give them a specific to answer as well.

Hopefully not getting an immediate "no" means they are thinking about it, and that they are in the "collection" phase, to see how many people are asking for BIOS updates to support new AMD CPU's.

With more owners asking, it gives them more reasons to answer...Yes.

 

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Thank you everyone for your response! Got the laptop two days ago (1600). I'd say it's great. Not tested games yet. It's not loud when browsing etc. Firstly I create a full backup of SSD ASUS's Win10 with all partitions. Then I try all clean versions of Win 10 (Home, Pro and LTSB) - all great. For me it's always LTSB. But now I want install Win 7. If I do it - I write it here about that. Also in a few days I thing to get second DDR4 8gb stick.

 

hi all i was looking for some help from fellow rx 580 owners . what do you guys use to overclock your rx580 ? i have had no luck thanks

 

Using search and reading this thread you will find allot of answers. You need a custom BIOS to do that, so far overclocking the GPU is a no go, at least on window's.
At most you could use MSI afterburner to undervolt it a bit to reduce some temperatures by a few degrees

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