ASUS U Series Bamboo Collection Owners Thread (U33JC/U43JC/U53JC)

This will be the delivery truck ASUS uses to ships my laptop. Need to stay green.

Notice the LED lighting and widescreen windows environment. Bio-diesel "power for gears" and turbo boost.

 

I PM'ed Redline, the AnandTech reviewer, about the wireless card's location, since he has a U33Jc there in hand (for the moment). I'll let you know if he responds at all.

The easiest (and what I think will be the case) is if it already has an Intel Centrino wireless-N 1000, 6200, 6250 (doubtful) or the 6300 (also doubtful).

Ken at GenTech said that ASUS told him they had the 1000 card in the U33 (or some WiDi model).

 

These things can get buried. See the U33Jc review list thus far HERE (back several pages).

U33Jc

AnandTech Review

Engadget Review

LaptopMag Review

PCMag Review

PCMag Test Scores

Hot Laptop Review (We've seen this before)

Computer Shopper Review (*thank you wanged for that link!)

CNET Review & Video Summary (Be sure & expand the 2-page review as it is longer than it looks)

TweakTown Video Review (We've seen this before as well, but just to add it to the list.)

If you know of more reviews on the U33Jc, post the link and I'll add it here as well.

Oh, sorry Case1, I didn't realize you were adding to your list at the start of this thread. Good idea!

 

A new U35Jc owner in Norway just weighed his laptop for us. 1.814 Kg / 3.999 lbs

So if the U35Jc is 4 lbs, I doubt the U33Jc with wood veneer & thicker is 3.7 lbs.

 

Aw man. That makes two heat complaints with laptopmag and computer shopper. Quatro, your computer shopper link is broken btw.

 

Oh, thanks for catching that. My mistake. It's fixed now!

Here's their words about the U33Jc:

• "With the exception of one trouble spot, the U33Jc kept its cool during our testing. After playing a Hulu video for 15 minutes at full screen, we measured temperatures of 81F on the touchpad, 84F between the G and H keys, and 88F underneath the machine, respectively. However, the left side of the system near the vent became uncomfortable on our lap, reaching an uncomfortable 114 degrees."

And their words about the U30Jc:

• "Even with its discrete graphics chip running, the U30Jc kept rather cool. After playing a Hulu video at full screen for 15 minutes, the middle of the underside and the touchpad only reached 89F, and the space between the G and H keys was a balmy 93. The area by the vent reached 100 degrees, which is warm, but we’ve seen much hotter temperatures from machines this size."

See that? It's all in the wording (underlined):

Touchpad: U33 - 81 F / U30 - 89 F
G+H keys: U33 - 84 F / U30 - 93 F
Vent Air: U33 - 114 F / U30 - 100 F

It sounds like, when you first read them both, that the U33 was the hotter of the two, but in reality the U30Jc is.

And Computer Shopper says the fan vent can "blow quite hot". What laptop doesn't if it has a discrete GPU? That's a silly complaint. They also say not to use it in your lap. Rubbish. I feel the U30Jc is quiet cool and often use it in my lap.

Don't worry. It will be fine. My heat's not an issue and it shouldn't be for you either.

... But a friend's Lenovo Y560 ... now THAT was a hot vent and laptop bottom. I had to put a towel on my leg, and I began to sweat!

 

I was wondering if I would be able to play SC2?? I have ordered mine in the UK which is gonna come with i5 i think, but does this even make a difference where gameplay is concerned? Not sure if I should cancel as i really want to play that game.

Any ideas??Thanks

 

Did you guys notice that in the Computer Shopper review they also said that the speakers were located in the area above the keyboard?

Surely this many reviewers can't be wrong?

The other thing that struck me when reading this review was:

I'm sure all the other reviews said the track-pad was not multi-touch or am I getting my track-pad technologies confused?

 

Just out of curiosity, which UK seller did you end up pre-ordering from? Did they give you an accurate ETA? Oh, yeah , and did they take your money straight away or will they only debit you when the laptop is shipped?

 

Ive pre-ordered mine from saveonlaptops.co.uk, and they haven't charged my account yet (at least since I've last checked). They have said they expecting it in on the 24th which seems pretty much on par with what the others are saying. They have actually updated their site to say this aswell, as it always just had 'arriving soon'.

Any clues on the starcraft II query?

 

Thanks for the purchase info. So frustrating that we have to wait almost another whole month before we get our hands on these laptops! Have you noticed how almost all the UK sellers list the U33JC as coming with a DVD re-writer? I'm sure that's wrong! Could they be done for false advertising? I'm also really hanging out for a UK review of the UK model with it's i5-430 processor.

Quatro answered the Starcraft 2 question a while ago in this same forum. You can check it out here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...-thread-u33jc-u43jc-u53jc-62.html#post6532469

 

I copied these specs straight from the saveonlaptops.co.uk website: ASUS Bamboo U33JC-RX068V

Processor Intel® Core™ i5 Dual Core (430M, 3MB Cache, 2.26 GHz)
Screen 13.3" (ASUS Color-Shine, 1366x768 HD, LED Backlit)
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit
RAM 4GB (DDR3 1066MHZ)
Hard Drive 500GB
Optical Drive DVD Rewriter (Records DVDs 8x & CDs 24x & Dual Layer Super Multi)
Graphics Dedicated (NVIDIA® GeForce® 310M with 1GB DDR Dedicated Memory)
Wireless LAN Wireless (802.11b/g/n Wireless)
Network Card 10/100/1000 Gigabit Fast Ethernet
Integrated Webcam Integrated Webcam
Card Reader 5-in-1 card reader (SD//MS/MS-Pro/MMC/xD-Picture card™
USB Ports 2x USB 2.0 ports, 1x USB 3.0 Port
Bluetooth Version 2.0
Speakers Intergrated Stereo Speakers
VGA Port 1 External VGA Port
Kensington Lock Kensington lock slot
Charge Time 2.5 Hours
HDMI 1 HDMI Port
Warranty ASUS 2 Year Global Hardware Warranty
Battery Life 9-10 Hours (up to 9.5 hours with power management)
Weight 1-2 Kg (This Model 1.75 Kg)


All of these sellers also list it as coming with a DVD rewriter:
www.oyyy.co.uk

www.morecomputers.co.uk

www.simplyasus.com

www.asuslaptop.co.uk

www.microanvika.com

www.trusthardware.co.uk

And nowhere on Asus's official UK site does it say that any version of the U33JC comes with an ODD: http://uk.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=aMCVqkGz1jReppcv

Perhaps I should email all of the above sellers with a copy of the British Code of Advertising, Sales Promotion and Direct Marketing?

 

It could just be an included external drive

 

Thanks for the link Sprinkler. True about the ODD, but perhaps it is an external one. Do find it slightly odd that all websites say that including the approved asus seller asuslaptop.co.uk. I didn't ask the rep I spoke to as I expect it to come without one so if one is incl internal or external it would be a bonus.

So just 23 more days to go (hopefully)...

 

Various users on this forum have said they were able to play SC2 on medium to high graphics with the nV 310M, so you should be fine.
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On the ODD question, some time ago several said they had seen the UK sellers listing the U33 as coming with an ODD. One called an ASUS reseller in the UK and they said the specs supplied them by ASUS listed an ODD. That was all the seller had to go by as well.

The poster later thought that it could mean an included USB DVD drive in the box (as ASUS, in non-US countries, can include things at times like a mouse or bag ... so why not a cheap external DVD drive?)

It's not a new question. But just to say that the UK sellers are not falsely advertising. They can only list what ASUS gives them. Other then that, they don't have any of the actual item either. I suppose our UK friends shall have to wait until it's released there to find out what is what! At least, like us, no money is charged until it ships and you have a window to return it if it doesn't suit you.

 

Hi guys, this is my first post on these forums.

Firstly, I'd just like to say thanks to all of those who have helped supply the tremendous amount of information found on this thread/board. It's been really helpful in guiding my laptop purchasing decision.

Secondly I have a question regarding the U43JC: does anyone know how the battery life will compare to the U33JC? I think I have read the entire thread and I saw someone else ask this but I didn’t see an answer. I’m worried that the i5 processor (which I don’t really need, I’d be okay with an i3) and extra screen space (I don’t think I want to go smaller than 14 inches) is going to significant hurt the battery life. Should I be able to reasonably expect at least 4 hours while surfing over wifi?

Thanks in advance for any information regarding this, and again for all the info already posted.

 

Thank you so much and I very much look forward to a response

 

ASUS typically puts in an i5 that is comparable in speed to the i3, so both should be 2.4 GHz. So it won't take more battery life. You can allow turboboost on the i5 in case it needs more power, but that won't happen much (depends on what you're doing) and shouldn't have much effect on battery life.

The battery tests on the UL80Vt (14") and the UL30Vt (13") with the same 5600mAh battery produced very similar battery life.

So I would think there won't be a huge difference between the U33Jc & the U43Jc in battery life. The 13" will do better, but not by a huge amount. Use of the DVD drive in the 14" will affect the battery life more. But that's a choice when you're on battery and people rarely need a DVD drive these days (but useful when you need one.)

I wouldn't worry about it much if you feel you need the 14". And yes, you'll EASILY get over 4 hours on battery on the U43Jc.

 

Hey guys, I posed this question earlier but got no answer, so I thought I'd try again. In the Computer Shopper review they stated the following:

I'm sure all the other reviews said the track-pad was not multi-touch or am I getting my track-pad technologies confused?

 

When I am not completely wrong I read that it could support multi touch but it is not supported yet by the drivers.

 

"Oddly, it doesn't support multitouch gestures, but the right side did function as a scroll strip." - Engadget

"The touchpad circuitry itself is made by Elan Microelectronics and accounts for the extra thickness added by the bamboo panel and has some multitouch gestures not yet implemented by Synaptics." - AnandTech

* Synaptics & Elan Microelectronics are not the same company, so they're saying here the Elan has provided some multitouch gestures that Synaptics (a competitor), has not implemented yet.

"Oddly, ASUS chose not to enable multitouch gestures, so pinch to zoom is a no-go. The narrow touch button works fine when you're just clicking an item, but keeping it held down for scrolling proved a challenge. And while you can use the right edge for one-finger scrolling, it was a little too fast." - LaptopMag

"The wooden surface works fine as a touch pad, although it lacks the multitouch gestures found in most other current laptops. Still, it's impressive that even with the wood covering, the touch pad is as responsive and accurate as any other we've tried." -CNET

"The multi-gesture touch pad and seesaw button below it also sport the same dark wood covering. The touch pad’s decent size and smooth texture afford easy zooming, scrolling, and tapping." - Computer Shopper

 

Nice compilation of quotes Quatro! Thanks for that Having now read through them all, I guess it's safe to summize that the laptop has the capability for multi-touch and it might just be a matter of getting our hands on the right set of drivers if and when they become available.

The Computer Shopper quote does sort of imply that they did test the zooming function. Maybe the test laptop that Asus gave them had newer drivers? Another question mark we are going to have to leave in the wait until they arrive box!

 

Pulled the trigger on the U33Jc last night, via GenTech. I was originally considering the Lenovo X201, since my priority was really more on the "business" side. I had used a T43 for years at work and was pretty happy with the Lenovo style and needed something I wouldn't mind carrying around all day (and I'm not looking to replace my desktop PC).

But Anandtech's "14-inch and Smaller" round-up pushed me in the direction of the Asus U30Jc, and then I got a look at the U33Jc and figured I'd be willing to add a little weight and $$$ for the bamboo look (which is completely worth it to me).

The recent spate of reviews of the U33Jc didn't do anything to dissuade me from it. Sure, I'd like a better screen (or so Anandtech/Redline tells me), but I'll get over it since I'm mainly going to be word-processing and browsing the Internet on it.

Anyway, I have no ETA, and hopefully it shows up by the end of August.

 

"Quatro" just sent you a great news PM. Check it out please

 

As a suggestion, please take a look at what I posted HERE in the U35/45 thread about ASUS' Elan Touchpads of late.

In a nutshell, it depends on what you mean by "multi-gesture". Unlike my ASUS 1000HA netbook that has all of the multi-gestures of PC's of late, the U30Jc (and I'd bet the U33/35/43/45Jc as well) only does the standard stuff plus:

• 2-finger & 3-finger taps (which you can set to zoom, back, forward, menu pop-up, etc)
• 2-finger scrolling left, right, up & down and auto-scroll
• Drag & Drop
• Palm Tracking (sensitivity setting if palms or heels of hands move the cursor)

But NO pinch & zoom, 2 & 3-finger swish for page forward & back, etc.

So, if we say there are 10 gestures available but the U33 only has 7 of them available, then you apply the reviews' quotes to mean 7 out of 10 multi-gestures available, you can see why one says NO multi-gestures like pinch & zoom (true) while another says it HAS multi-gestures (also true). Or perhaps it also has zooming but not 3-finger swishing ... you get the point.

As I said, my guess is that the U33 will be exactly like the U30Jc touchpad-wise. And by my experimentation, I'd say this is hardware circuitry-based and so a hardware limit. Other software won't give you more gestures.

But as you said, we'll see.

 

This is an amazing forum, thanks for all the information! I'm thinking of the U43JC because it has the optical drive; does anyone know the difference between the A1 version and the X1 version please? I looked at ASUS' page and around and can't spot the difference. We work with 3D Virtual Worlds like Second Life and that's a bit of a concern... the Alienware has the GeForceGT 335M and the ASUS has/will have the G310M if I understand correctly. I couldn't find a good comparison between the 335M and 310M... is there a huge difference? I'll definitely buy from an independent reseller to support them. Thanks if you have any information about the models and the graphic card differences.

 

The 335M is a middle class gaming card while the 310 is an entry level dedicated graphics card. I don't even want to name it gaming card. Here is a list of graphic cards and their ratings
Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M

 

Typically, the last letter/number after the hyphen is related to:

• color (black or silver)
• size of battery (4400 or 5600 mAh)
• length of warranty (1-yr or 2-yr global & Accidental Damage Warranty or not)

-A1 means silver or gray and -X1 means black.

In the UL30Vt, -X1 also meant a smaller battery (4400 mAh) and a shorter warranty (1 yr).

But I see that Amazon's U43Jc-X1 has the larger 5600mAh battery but only 1-yr warranty.

GenTech seems to only be carrying the -A1 of the U43 & U45.

So those last two items are open to watching & seeing.

Check the graphic processor benchmark ratings HERE. A short description of each GPU HERE.

And, believe it or not, a fascinating "can-my-GPU-play-this-game" list HERE.

The nVidia GT 335M ranks #54 and gets a raw score in 3DMark06 of 6446.

The nVidia GF 310M ranks #115 and gets a raw score in 3DMark06 of 3154.

But CPU plays into 3DMk scores as well. In reality, most ASUS U & UL notebooks are getting 3400. My U30Jc gets 3700. But that score is there for mere comparison.

In essence, the GT 335M is comparable to the ATI 5650HD GPU and is about twice as fast as the 310M.

Still, from reports and gaming tests, the 310M will play most all of the modern games at least on low-detail settings and some on medium.

I hope that helps.

 

Wow Quatro thank you so much! That's an astonishing difference between what sounds like a small numerical difference (335 vs 310). I'm trying to find something small for presentations; the Alienware M11x keeps coming back into view but I really don't like the look of the M11x. I guess the ASUS N82JV-X1 is another possibility... Second Life recommends (minimum) NVIDIA Graphics cards 9000 Series: 9600, 9800, 200 Series: 275 GTX, 295 GTX. I guess trying to have a 335 graphics card in the U43JG isn't possible, sure wish it was because it's a beautiful looking system. Sorry to not just be discussing the U43JG, I really wish it would work with SL. Thanks again Quatro.

 

double-post

 

Again, it'll probably help to sort through their requirements by looking at the cards they put up as standards; look at their ranking and graphic score (comparing same to same.) Of course, the mobile graphic chips are not always the desktop versions, but we'll work with what we have.

The 275 & 295 GTX are only desktop GPU's and so are not ranked by notebookcheck.net's mobile graphics card benchmarks so I've ranked them by 3DMark06 scores. The other cards come in both flavors:

GPU CARD: RANK / 3DMK06 SCORE
295 GTX: n/a / 24,203
275 GTX: n/a / 19,417
9800M GTX: 08 / 15,516
9800M GT: 17 / 14,400
9800M GTS: 18 / 14,075
335M: 54 / 6,446
9600M: 88 / 5,063
310M: 115 / 3,154

So the 335M you're looking at (or the ATI 5650HD) is the bare minimum requirement? ... and that's a way-better-than-usual graphics chip for most notebooks.

I'm assuming with the demand of that kind of GPU, length of battery life is not very important to you?

 

Thanks again Quatro! The laptop will be used for travel (that's why I've been looking for something as portable as possible)... there will be Second Life demonstrations and I'm in entertainment so having battery life is a consideration I'm balancing as well.

That's one of the things I liked about the U43JC, the automatic switching Optimus technology... I don't intend to be running SL all the time, it will primarily be doing MS Office and business applications.

With Second Life, there are several graphic options, it really becomes a matter of how high quality the inworld experience will be. http://blogs.secondlife.com/communi...r-should-i-buy-for-second-life#comment-780318 has some recent info; I think Torley Linden has posted around here and I'll take a look. One user posted, "For $1000, you can put together a very capable machine. I did. Core i7-920 CPU, Gigabyte socket 1366 motherboard, 6GB DDR3, nVidia 260GT 216core, SoundBlaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio, Case, 750W power supply, 16x DVD+/-RW, 500GB 7200RPM Hard Drive. Under $1000. That was a while ago too.....and it plays SL VERY well." It seems SL doesn't like ATI cards so NVIDIA is a better solution.

I am concerned about the overheating/cooling pad side of things, that's another reason the Alienware 11x keeps coming up (they seem to be built to cool better than average). But the JG51 is interesting too, that has the GTS 360M which seems even better.

This has been so confusing and I'm grateful there's a forum like this and for your help Quatro!

 

You may have already checked these NBR links out, but just in case.

If graphics & battery are important the M11x R2 may be right for you, though the screen is small.

As to battery life, of course, any of them with the discrete GPU on, will really eat up the battery.

NBR Review of M11x
NBR Review of M11x R2
NBR Forum M11x Thread
NBR Official M11x R2 Owners Lounge

Quality, thorough reviews & hearing from actual owners can best tell you about battery life and heat issues. You already know about it's graphic ability.

No one (nearly) can tell you yet about the U43 as it's not out in the US yet, but the many reviews on the U33Jc should give you a pretty accurate idea of the U43 in terms of graphic performance, screen quality, heat, noise & battery life.

NBR's review of the M11x R2 & the U33Jc show that the M11x R2 runs hotter than the U33Jc (hopefully same as U43Jc) by about 5-10 F on the bottom and 5 F on the keyboard area

 

There's now an official review of the U33JC on NotebookReview.com check it out here: ASUS U33JC Bamboo Review

 

I haven't seen it before but the NBR review of the U33JC is out:
ASUS U33JC Bamboo Review

 

HERE it is folks .... the latest NBR Review of the U33Jc, just out today! Enjoy!


... Oh good grief. THREE of us posted the same link within the same couple of minutes of each other? Is this a psychic connection or what??


Whoa ... sorry everyone. It's official. The U30Jc gets better battery life than the U33Jc. :tongue:

And they commented on the slower VRAM & core pulling the 3DMk06 score down (have no fear, Case1. They can be pushed back up again.)

 

And the craziness of the speaker location starts up again. Two reviews stated below the palm rest including this newest one, while the other reviews listed the speakers right above the keyboard. WHICH ONE IS IT?

 

GenTech & Xotic can answer that question by PM'ing them once they have it in stock ... that or you can pester Redline about it (AnandTech reviewer who had an actual U33Jc on hand.)

 

Amazon.com TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK from PRE-ORDER. Sold out methinks...

 

Can someone please tell me the difference between the U33 vs U35 and the U43 vs U45. Is the only difference between them are bamboo vs Silver?

If, it was already posted, can someone point me to where that is? I am so confuse with Asus' naming numbers.

Thanks in advance.

 

Also, I want to add that I have treated bamboo coaster and they get scuffed after some time. I can imagine the Bamboo line may have the same issue.

But, so does the silver.

 

Beyond the bamboo lid & palm rest/touchpad, and aluminum over the entire top around the keyboard (the U35/45 is entirely made of plastic), you should just go to GenTechPC and open a tab for each of the models in question (there's a spec summary at the end of each page) and compare the internal specs rather than asking us to do it for you.

You get to see more that way as well.

Those four will all have the same Optimus Intel/nVidia GPU, VRAM, 4 GB DDR3 & battery. What changes are things like:

• Processor speed
• HDD size
• DVD drive or not
• Bluetooth or not
• WiDi or not
• 13-inch or 14-inch
• Windows Home Premium or Professional (all 64-bit)
• MegaPixel amount of the webcam (0.3 MP or 2.0 MP)

I think all 4 have Win 7 Home Prem & a 2-yr warranty (in the US). There can be not-so-obvious differences as well such as location & quality of speakers, location of ports, etc.

 

I just PMed "Redline" about the speaker location. Hopefully he responds. How could it not be a set in stone from every review where the speakers are located? I don't get that. Asus wouldnt put speakers in two different locations on the same U33JC-A1, would they?

 

Thanks Quatro for the summary. I will take a look now over at GenTechPC.

 

Good job!

I am befuddled on the matter myself. Redline did say that he couldn't imagine making a mistake on that (he said they were up).

The NBR review also (incorrectly, I'm guessing) said that the bottom panel accesses the HDD, RAM & wireless card. Redline (in a PM, no less) repeated that the wireless card was not to be found there. Of course, it may be hiding under the HDD, but most likely it's under the keyboard, except that keyboard isn't as easily removable as on the other UL & U models.

 

Here is the differences which I can see from the specs
U33 vs U35
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2.0 Mega Pixel web camera (U33) vs 0.3M
Built-In Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR (U33)
WiDi Wireless Display (U33)
1 x VGA port/Mini D-sub 15-pin for external monitor (U33)
1 x USB 3.0 ports 2 x USB 2.0 ports (U33)vs 3 x USB 2.0 ports

Extra Function Keys:
Fn+F3 Access to the E-mail(U33)
Fn+F4 Access to the Internet(U33)
Fn+Ins Fn+NumLK(U33)


Less Altec Lansing® co-brand speakers(U35)

Keyboard size: 19.0 mm size (U33)vs 30.2mm size


Dimension & Weight:
(U33)
12.91" x 9.13" x 0.58"-1.22" (W x D x H)
3.97 lbs (with 8 cell battery)
Vs
(U33)
12.9" x 9.28" x 0.6"-0.98" (W x D x H)
3.74 lbs (with 8 cell battery)

Not sure if there are any aluminum in the U35. According to Quatro, U35 is plastic. Yuk!

I wish for a U33 in an unibody aluminum frame. Since, I am not a fan of the bamboo thinking that it will not dissipate heat well.

 

the guy from norway reported a 3.999 lb weight on the u35jc. Do you think he got some messed up version or something, or is that 3.74lb not right?

 

NBR review of the U33JC says 4.54 lbs....that's much heavier than expected 3.7-3.9 lbs.

 

Very thorough! I didn't even know about the Fn+F3 and Fn+F4. Those appear to be functions of MS Windows as I can launch Outlook & Firefox by using those hotkeys.

The aluminum in the U33 is limited to the upper keyboard area w/ bamboo veneer on the palm rest, touchpad & lid and a shiny chromed trim around the lid & upper housing. But the U33's bottom is black plastic like the rest.

Weights are unclear at present. For example, the AnandTech reviewer said the U33's weight was 4 lbs but then later told us he weighed it in his hands without a scale. With the differing weights, others must be doing the same. I've now read in various reviews on the U33Jc weights of 3.75, 3.96, 4, 4.4, 4.5 lbs. They can't all be right. Why can't reviewers just use digital gram scales like the rest of us?

 

Yea, that weight issue sure is perplexing. You would think someone would post a picture of a U33JC on a digital scale. This should become a standard thing for reviews if you ask me.

The speaker location is also a puzzler. I would almost guarantee the speakers are on the front like all of the other U and UL series, but perhaps Asus did switch it up. Those gaps on the front could be for ventilation, no? I would just think that it would be really noticeable if the speakers were up above the keyboard or down on the front. Maybe not though if you assume where they are though...
Our observation skills aren't always too great.

Well, if we still don't know in 3 weeks I'd be glad to clear everything up... Ugh, 3 weeks.

And I'm not too terribly concerned about the underclocked GPU. After all, I don't really want the GPU for gaming. That is nice to know though that I can push it back up to where it is on the U30Jc. I'm sure I will experiment with this. It is a bummer that the U30Jc gets better battery life though! I don't understand that one bit. Although 6 hours should be plenty to get me through the day.