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    ASUS ROG Zephyrus GX501 Owner's Lounge

    Discussion in 'ASUS Reviews and Owners' Lounges' started by HamzimusPrime, May 20, 2017.

  1. Darkhan

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    I could not be happier with mine and yes I am keeping it. Looks, Build quality, screen, thermals are all above what I expected.
    The keyboard layout takes some adjustment but its not bad, still prefer the AW keyboard feel. The trackpad/keypad is actually very good.
    Noise levels at full load, I measured 56db at the rear, and 45db from the keyboard.
    Screen is vibrant with rich colors and butter smooth when gaming. Don't expect OLED quality though but having both screens It is not a bad adjustment when I switch back and forth.
     
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    I'll defiantly come back and let you guy know what I think .. I'm a little worried about the system just because how high performance the AW is . But only one way to find out ..

    Do you guys thing the 7700hq will hold it back a ton ?


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    Compared to the 7820HK? I don't think the 100 MHz difference and somewhat more cache can be noticed except slightly in some of the benchmarks. At least they bumped up the clocks of the 7700HQ somewhat compared to the somewhat anemic 6700HQ.
     
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    I have the 7820 to 4.1


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    still at 4.1 unless for benchmarking the user will not see much of a difference in my opinion.

    I never played Metro last light so been playing that this morning and fps reported from steam are 160+
     
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    Oh wow !! Not bad


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    Just want to know how's the battery life of 1070, been seeing a lot in of people in this thread getting their Zephyrus.
     
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    Any one have there firestrike score ?


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    Best notebook I owned so far. For me it is perfect for gaming but also for using it at work. So yeah, l am still happy

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    Is Nvidia Max-Q A Scam?!


    He does a fine dance to justify the Max-Q :)

    I wish he would have taken the opportunity of having all 3 Max-Q laptops (Asus, Aorus, Alienware) in hand to do some actual testing, measurements, and comparisons and presented those results instead of giving generalizations.

    Finally he rests the value on 39dba measured noise output from the fans, but it's clearly much higher when gaming under load. We've seen this in video's, and @Darkhan 's measurements:
    From what I've heard from video's the fan noise has a much less offensive tone / pitch, just as forceful sounding, but less offensive. And, shaping the sound as well as directing it out into the room instead of back at the user is awesome.

    I hope Asus and other makers make the same effort to shape and direct the fan noise in future full sized laptops too. :)
     
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    Both 1070 and 1080 downclock to similar spec in desktop use I presume, so I wouldn't expect any significant difference between the two in battery life. Price and performance will be a different matter, though.
     
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    That´s also my subjective impression regarding noise. Mine is a very silent unit even under load.
     
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    Not sure if you can compare this, but the max-q of Origin does get around 5 hours of life.
     
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    A little sketchy. Asus were not pleased with the results so they sent essentially a binned model. This would suggest that (your) results may vary by unit. I never heard of NBC doing this before for another laptop that wasn't obviously broken.
     
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    This laptop really checks off a lot of boxes for me:
    Pros:

    Thin and quiet
    Good temps
    Excellent build quality
    Great screen
    Good gaming performance for a 1080 Max Q
    Shows it can OC pretty good

    Cons:
    Price
    Battery life sucks
    Under powered PSU
    Maintenance seems like it would be a pain

    Nice thorough review .



    I know this laptop is not for everyone but for those that want a good performing laptop with excellent build quality that stays quiet (for a gaming laptop )it's a great choice. Yes you sacrifice performance for portability but at least we now have a choice for those that don't want a huge thick bulky full power gaming laptop. More options for individual tastes and needs is always a good thing.
    Personally I'm not looking for a new laptop since not too long ago I got a 1070 laptop but I'm looking forward to what ASUS brings to the table on the next version.
    What I'm hoping to see next round is a 17" model with bigger battery.
     
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    Pay more or same for less has never been a good thing. And will never be :cool:
     
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    Sure if your only looking for pure performance the Max Q design is not for you but I'm sure you know there are other benefits with this design, you get thinner and lighter laptops that are also quite.
    I know someone like yourself that likes to squeeze every bit of performance out of there laptops it wouldn't make much sense but there are people that want something more portable then your traditional big, thick and bulky laptops and yes it is good to have a choice you can now get what suits your needs.
    I will admit maybe they should have named the GPU different like 1075 GTX Max Q to cause less misinterpretation.
     
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    Correct. +rep
    And same time lower the price equal the lower performance!!
     
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    Actually this is one of the easiest systems to work on, within a few minutes you are at the ram,heatsinks,m.2.
     
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    I'm just going but what notebookcheck wrote in there review:

    Glad to hear, more times than not these thinner laptops require a lot of work to get inside, at least they made cleaning the fans easy :)
     
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    Has any one played player unknown with this system yet


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    Are you asking if it'll run?
    If so it shouldn't be a problem for any game on high to ultra settings.
     
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    Yah was kinda wondering if it would run at a good frame rate .. I guess I'll know Wednesday any way .. I wonder what what happen if we flashed a 150w bios on the 1080 lol hmmmmmm


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    Wow, both the MSI and the AW run quieter at load than the Asus Zephyrus GX501 :)
     
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    The psu is NOT underpowered on this unit. 230W are more than enough in real world usage, demanding games included.

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    You pay more for the portability, it is that simple. Other people pay more for haptics and ease of use (macbook pro). Others pay more for performance. Regarding performance vs portability there is no better system atm out there. Imho the price is o.k. IF you are looking for good performance AND great performance AND great haptics/built quality. The naming of the gpu is however rather unfortunate.

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    Well, that's not how the rest of the world runs their laptop's with a 1080, they use 330w PSU's, and for the 1080 SLI they double up and use 2 x 330w PSU's.

    Even the under-performing RBP 1080 uses a 250w PSU, and they don't have enough power headroom to OC their 7820HK, it benchmarks the same as the 7700HQ model.
     
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    I bet a repaste will quiten loud units a lot. Mine is the quitest gaming notebook under load I ever owned out of the box.

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    Not me. I wouldn't pay more for maximum portability. I can use what I alredy have home. But this could be acceptable for me if I was in need... Or just use my smartphone
    [​IMG]

    Maybe this is a better option. But $200 is on the high side :oops: Read the reviews... Lenovo Ideapad 100S

    Conclusion

    "Spending less than $200 on a laptop is a surprisingly viable option right now, and for those who mainly use Gmail, Facebook, Netflix and Amazon (or your own list of mail, social media, streaming video and online shopping tools), a laptop with an Intel Atom processor, low-res screen and paltry 32GB of storage may very well be all you need."
     
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    What I meant is you pay more for a quite powerfull gaming laptop that is also portable. To each his own. I for my part want a portable unit which I can use for work and at the same time use for gaming at max settings. Of course someone else might find the solution with a deskop at home and a light notebook for work more suitable. I am sure you understand my point.

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    It is probably is sufficient in real world use and gaming stock but as a enthusiast and someone that likes OC I've found that smaller rated PSU's sometimes can't deliver enough power when pushing the clocks a bit.
    That was more of a personal opinion, but I guess that's what MaxQ is all about lowering voltage and power consumption while still delivering good performance.
     
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    In BF1 power consumption never goes beyond 150W with a 200MHz OC on GPU and no oc on cpu with an undervolt of -130mV.

    So with a little tweaking even with oc GPU the 230w psu is more than enough and very small and light which adds to the portability factor.

    Imho a small 230W psu is a perfect fit for a max q system, ASUS made the right decision here.

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    You're comparing a user measured value at the exhaust with standardized results on notebookcheck tests. What's the point of that?

    The stock Alienware 15 with a 1070 seems to be much louder than the GX501:

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alienware-15-R3-Notebook-Review.196584.0.html

    This is not an 1080, it's a gimped 1080 or "MaxQ" with a limited TDP so the provided 230W PSU should be enough unless they did their math wrong.
     
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    There are no "standardized" tests, there are standard procedures by reviewer which aren't necessarily comparable.

    Generally everyone tests right at the vents and at the user sitting position. They should probably test the sitting position to the right and left of the user - and directly behind the laptop across the table.

    Different meters and different reflective environments make it impossible to compare different reviewers measurements, but it's all we have, and probably close enough. :)

    That's exactly the point: Max-Q 1080 is not a 1080, it's PSU is under spec'd for full performance, saddled with a self-gimping 230w PSU it can't perform like a full powered / cooled 1080 laptop, ever.

    Max-Q is not perfectly suited for a 1080, it's power limiting an otherwise fully capable 1080, which will never see it's life ambitions realized, forever chained down.

    Sad, really.
     
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    how much did all the upgrade posts? Would you mind posting a breakdown?
     
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    OK, but how do you figure GX501 is louder than Alienware 17 R4 at load then?

    The 1080 MaxQ is gimped so it can fit this form factor which would not be able to handle the thermal output of the full 1080. Thus, the PSU is not underpowered.

    But, one wonders why they chose to gimp the 1080 rather than somewhat optimize the 1070.. Not sure if it's e.g. due to higher margins they get on them or they're basically forced to put the "1080" in such a luxury machine because the potential buyers wouldn't accept having "just" a 1070 in their fancy new show-off piece?
     
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    Video reviews showing the sound meter near the vents hanging around 39dba, then the load hits and it climbs to 50dba, 60dba, more. Watch closely; I've posted all of them - some a couple of times already, search. :)

    The load's given for various reviews for the AW 15 1070 / 17 1080 show load / gaming 50dba, along with MSI GT73 1080 about the same.

    The readings would be even less when tuning down the 1080 laptops to Max-Q 1080 performance levels, beating the Max-Q 1080 sound levels well below 50dba.

    Do some more watching and reading, the data is out there, search against my posts and others posts in the Max-Q related threads, it's all there.
     
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    Nvidia claims the 1080's "sweet spot" of power/wattage vs performance allows for more performance than a 1070 with the same "sweet spot" tuning.

    AW has shown it's about a 15w difference, give or take, so by using a 1070 OC'd to the Max-Q 1080 level the laptop would need to dissipate more heat, making more noise.

    I'd just scale up the mass and capacity of the cooling, edging the laptop dimensions a bit more - still thinner than the previous generation.

    The only problem is they would be selling a 1070 laptop, not a "1080" laptop with 1070 performance, so they could only ask for 1070 equivalent pricing...

    If they use a 1080 it brings $1000 more "mystique" to the new laptops, allowing them to sell 1070 performance at 1080 level prices.
     
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    I will do the same comparison with sounds today from AW15r3 at full load and GX501 at full load.

    For the sound check I did on the GX501, for exhaust I held it at the left side by the opening (note the left side you can feel much more air going out then the right side. (left and right is based off from keyboard view not from backside view)

    I should have probably held it more toward the middle but I wanted to see the highest reading I could produce.

    However I can say that the Asus is the only system I have had that no one in the room complains of noise when I am gaming.
     
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    If you look at the GentechPC and XoticPC video reviews they do it against the vents - both - as one is CPU and one is GPU, usually. And also while in front of the laptop at the users sitting position.

    Remember to tune the AW to the same performance level, no fair measuring a higher performance run on the AW against a lower performance run on the Asus - it's a test of noise @ a performance level.

    Various games, some heavy loads and some normal, Futuremark runs, etc.

    Temps would be good to know too.

    If the AW is running cooler you might be able to adjust the fan curve to raise the temps to match the Asus, lowering the fan RPM and noise.

    It would be nice to have a AW 1080 vs Asus 1080 too...as those are the numbers posted earlier.

    AW 15 Max-Q 1080 vs AW 15 1070 OC would also be good.

    Getting the new Nvidia WhisperMode working on the AW would be a great comparison too - putting both on semi-equal ground with noise reducing software tuning.

    The idea has been that with a little user tuning, maybe enabling WhisperMode, even a full sized laptop can be made as quiet as a Max-Q laptop, with the added bonus of being able to leave the quiet configuration mode and run full performance when you want to :)
     
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    I trust the notebookcheck readings as they mention the meter used, the distance and ambient noise. So, for GX501 they indicate 46 dBA max at 15 cm distance, while this goes to 50 for the 1070 equipped Alienware 15 R3 (a similar performance level). They didn't have a 1070 equipped 17 R4, only the 1080 with an HK CPU which seem a bit much for its cooling system.

    In any case, as a prospective buyer, why should I care about the sound meter readings at exhaust level? What I care about the most is the perceived noise in the direction of the laptop user. And GX501 users on this forum already posted that it's quieter than Alienware in that regard.
     
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    So its very early here but I just did the exact same test on an AW13 6700 -130mv (Asus 7700 -130mv)
    with 1060.
    I used same stress test as Asus, Aida64 with CPU,FPU and GPU selected, ran for 5min same as Asus.
    Neither system has OC on GPU.
    AW13 Sound at rear vent was average 63db and solid 50db from keyboard, temps were at 96cpu/89GPU.
    GX501 sound at rear was 56db. Sound from keyboard 45db, Temps were at 84CPU/80GPU.
    Ambient room temp 74F.
     
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    Because it's a place that everyone can agree on, find, and video readings with consistency.

    The vents are a good reference point because it avoids the room acoustics and makes measurements for distance and height moot.

    It's a good place to standardize for a reviewer. They actually say you can compare previous videos for differences, as they use the same meter and location.

    I agree it comes down to your own use in your environment, and that's the other problem with comparing based on memory - unless you have the units side by side, or measure using a meter using the same equipment and location, you can't really compare just from memory.

    For example, one of the early buyers posted a video of his new GX501 laptop wailing at full output against a corner, and it was obviously very loud, but he was so excited about his new laptop he said it wasn't loud.

    It's all subjective, but it's also clear the GX501 when breaking past the 39dba during light use will go into the 50dba's, 60dba's and 70dba's - as with any laptop if you push it hard enough long enough, it has to get rid of that heat or throttle - or shutdown to protect itself, the GX501 is no different and it will raise the noise level to a high level.

    Using a full sized laptop, with substantially larger and better cooling will perform much higher, but can also be detuned like Max-Q manually, this hasn't been all that popular as most people are trying to tune for highest performance - after all they paid a ton of $ to get the best performance - a little fan noise is incidental.

    Using manual detuning, and now WhisperMode from Nvidia you should be able to tune down full performance laptops to quiet levels for those times you need to be. :)
     
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    I can hear you... High performance in thin format for portability... No OC on Cpu as you so nice said in the reply... How high can you OC the Cpu in this thin Asus Max Q system? Because high performance for portability must including high performing processor as well!!

    Or did Asus make same nice decision as Razers engineering team previous year? Aka designed the Asus exactly as Razerbook with a fully locked down Intel BGA + power crippled the graphics because everything needed to be designed around a thin weak flimsy underpowered PSU?
     
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    Cerreta28 Notebook Evangelist

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    It's funny you bring this up ! I did this last night after we talked about fan noise .. on my Alienware 17r4 (repasted) I lowered the gpu to -250 MHz and put my CPU at 38!on all four cores and set the fan speed to 3300rpm and I will say the temps stayed extremely low. I ran a game like that for about 40 min I must says I'm impressed


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    HamzimusPrime Notebook Enthusiast

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    Guys, can anyone of you who bought the laptop install HWinfo and tell me what the exact panel name of this laptop is?

    Im about to do an experiment here, my current laptop (ASUS FX502VM) comes standard with a crappy TN panel, Im going to replace it with the one in this Zephyrous, I was going to replace it with the IPS 120hz panel from the GL502VS but that panel is extremely hard to find online, I've searched everywhere with no succes. I hope it's not the same panel in this Zephyrous.

    Last but not least, just to confirm basic stuff, the panel in the Zephyrous is indeed IPS and 120hz right? What about the screen refresh rate? Is it around those 20-25ms? (Normal for IPS)
     
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