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    ASUS G74SX Owners' Lounge

    Discussion in 'ASUS Reviews and Owners' Lounges' started by neggie, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. BrodyBoy

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    It's only been out a couple months! Seems a little soon for a revision, doesn't it?

    Do you find the fan noise excessive? I actually find it to be quite reasonable, compared to many other laptops, and I'm pretty impressed at how well the cooling system seems to work without any bottom vents.
     
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    Order placed with PowerNotebooks 9/29/2011

    3DE plus the following upgrades:

    Intel Core i7-2760QM
    OCZ Vertex 3 120GB (drive 1)
    Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi + Bluetooth 3.0+HS Combo Card
     
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    I need urgent help guys, I only noticed this trouble after 2 weeks of purchase, My core i7 2630 is not the turbo boosting to more than 2.0 GHz. I've reformatted it after one week of purchase and was hoping that the answer to my dilemma would be a missing driver, but I still haven't found anything regarding my situation. I really need help guys.

    BTW: the one on the left is from a review site the one to the right is my f*ked up processor, please help me :(

    Edit: Just adding some info, my proc score is also quite low compared to other G74sx's I also tried holding f5 on the desktop since my older core i5 turbo boosts up to 2.5 Ghz when I hold the refresh button, my current i7 isn't even going past 2 Ghz.
     

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    Quick question:

    Does the power connector on everyone else's G74 not seat completely into the power jack? I'm just wondering if it's normal & universal that the plug seems to stop about 1-2mm short of going all the way in. (That is, you can still see that much of the metal ground casing.)
     
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    Your multipler isn't in turbo. Try running super pi single thread to see if it goes into turbo. It should be fine.

    Some here, thats the design it sticks out by about 2mm.

    My G74 is going fine, but i have a couple of issues:

    1. Fan noise I get like a harmonic resination from the fans at low speed. Like an aircraft with props. I though it was my Momentus XT unplugged it and still an issue
    2. The speaks vibrate the slightest bass. Honest they sound good, but the vibrating is a pain in the .
    3. I can disable my touchpad for some reason :(


    Temps are amazing on this notebook! 60 degrees max playing Metal of Honor 2 hours straight at 915/1625 560m overclocked. My G53sx was at 89 degrees and cooking this unit is a cool as ice for a notebook.

    P.S Anyone see a video on how to replace the CPU. I have a friend who can give me a free 2720qm if i can open it easy I much upgrade.
     
  6. Hohlraum

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    There are videos on Youtube for disassembling the G73. They are different systems but I'm sure much remains the same. Keep in mind that you will/may void your warranty if you replace the CPU yourself.
     
  7. BrodyBoy

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    I haven't disassembled a G73, but I've seen some descriptions and I think it may be different enough that the instructions don't translate directly to the G74.

    The G74 is very unusual in that the entire top cover is one integrated component. In other words, the speaker grill, keyboard, plamrest, and touchpad are all one piece. (That in itself makes it quite different from the G73, which has a discrete, removable keyboard.) Removing it isn't all that hard, but it's a somewhat delicate operation because there are several small ribbon cables attached to the underside. After removing a couple dozen screws from the bottom and freeing it from its retaining clips, you tilt it up but there's not much clearance to get your hands under there to disconnect them. (Probably more difficult is re-attaching them upon re-assembly.) The processor is on the underside of the M/B, so everything else must be further detached and the M/B completely pulled from the chassis.

    I find the processor to be more than speedy enough. Do you really find it lacking, Hendrickson, or were you just thinking of replacing it because the opportunity arose? Frankly, enough issues have shown up in the G74 that I would feel uncomfortable voiding the warranty and driving without insurance, so to speak. It's got a pretty good warranty, and especially with the first generation of a new design, I suspect some owners will find themselves very glad about that. ;)

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    EDIT: Thanks, for the feedback about the power plug. I find it kind of odd that it doesn't seat all the way. And since Asus uses multiple suppliers for many parts, I was wondering if that might be true of the power cords/transformers and that maybe only some had this unusual fit.

    Regarding your speaker rattle, you could try going in there and checking their attachment. But honestly, the speakers in this thing are so cheap, and so obviously an afterthought, that they may just perform like that at higher volumes no matter what you do. They're really atrocious, IMO. :(
     
  8. ole!!!

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    i only got a few problems after gotten the BB version.

    usb 3.0 driver wasnt the latest version and i just had to uninstall and reinstall it, to get it to work with usb 3.0 hubs.

    the keyboard and mouse problem is EXTREMELY annoying, however through disable of pad makes keyboard works once again. my normal keys still work, but not my F1 to F12 keys, sometimes have to press multiple times to get it to register, donno if other people have this problem.

    in pad settings, you can choose to use disable pad at ALL time if an external mouse is pluged in, that way solves a lot of keyboard problems.

    other than that, so far its perfect aside from the fact that my cpu doesnt go over 60% while encoding movies, i complain it being a bit slow, while other say its a good thing, laptop is always cool, its amazing!
     
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    oh also, power notebook sux. they talk to you as if they weregods but they dont even seem to know GPU is there to help CPU and they jumps to conclusions a lot and cut you off over the phone.

    I had one of the NCIX and newegg tech helped me and looked at my previous laptop while both have similar solutions/ detailed explanation, the sales man at powernotebook gave me another answer which didnt make much sense, and said to me, dont argue with me as I have more experience in laptops than you do o_O
     
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    I've had the exact opposite experience with them (second system I've ordered from PNB) and they also offered me the best price. Maybe you got someone on an off day :) I've always dealt with Donald and he is a nice guy.
     
  11. BrodyBoy

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    These are not minor issues, unityole. :( The keyboard and touchpad are the the primary input devices for most computers....if they malfunction, the computer is fundamentally flawed. You should not have to disable the touchpad to get a functional keyboard, and you should not have to simply accept that some of your keys don't work. That's a little bit like saying "Well, the display has a big red bar across the top couple inches, but if I just shrink my windows or use an external monitor, it's fine." No, it's not! ....you'd send it back. :mad:

    (Other people have reported the same problem, BTW. I get the impression that most units are working just fine, but there's clearly a small number that have this serious flaw. It seems independent of configuration and software, so I suspect it's a basic hardware defect. You should not hope/expect a driver or firmware update to resolve it.)

    I get that- I think it's a really nice computer, too. But you paid good money for that thing and you should expect full functionality, especially for hardware as basic as the keyboard and touchpad.

    You know, you've expressed dissatisfaction with some aspects of the BB configuration anyway. Perhaps this defective keyboard is the reason you need to just return it, and maybe get a different configuration that better matches your needs. Hopefully....presumably...you'd also get one that isn't defective. Just a suggestion. :)
     
  12. Hendrickson

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    No keyboard flaws here. I suggest you update the bios and also install that kb filter form the g74 support site.

    Spakers are crap at anything over medium volume. I'm not going to use it much as I have my sound going through a Sony stereo system with so real speakers with tweeters, mid range and a sub.

    But still Asus messed up on the the speakers. About the only flaw in my eyes. Again cooling is just amazing. I dont think i have ever seen a CPU at 39 degrees and the gpu as low as 34 in a rom around 28 degrees browsing the net. Only unnatural load with furmark and superpi runing at the same time can get the GPU to 65. This is overclocked 915/1625
     
  13. BrodyBoy

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    Of course, this is good practice, in general, but it does not resolve the problem of the defective keyboard. (I should say "top cover," as it's not just the keyboard. Personally, I suspect that some defective top covers may have sneaked through QC, and because of the all-in-one design, they manifest as very specific keyboard malfunctions, touchpad malfunctions, or both. Unfortunately, that wouldn't be reparable with software/firmware.)

    Yup. :( You should see these things. They are not placed effectively or even symmetrically in the chassis. The left speaker is above the M/B, positioned inside the left hinge. The right speaker is actually tucked somewhat under the M/B... outside the right hinge! Laptop speakers are always pretty limited, but geez, Asus really must have expected users to be using external setups like yours. :eek:
     
  14. ole!!!

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    funny thing is donald was the one i spoke to, and also when u get into to too detailed stuff, with the stuff he doesnt and wont understand/know, he will try to give u some answer and try to change topic.

    i asked him about the 17 inch laptop which has a desktop cpu, the same model as malibal and i happend to read the notebook review by a famous website about how malibal laptop is great, but cant cool down + adapter trips. how malibal handled it was to force taken down the review and keep it hidden from the customers. since this is the same model laptop, i expect the samething from powernotebook/sagers. he gave me a solution to prevent AC being tripped but you would need 2 brick for it to provide 600 watts for a laptop... while he stays away from the cooling problem and just say sager company built laptops for at least a decade now and just leave it to the pros. but that doesnt solve the problem cause the cooling issues infact is still there, leaving it to them doesnt change the cooling system in any way.

    he has a way to say things such as the vents on laptops are designed for that specific laptop, so more vents doesnt mean its better. in a way it make sense but more vents IS better. i can take off ANY bottom plate of ANY laptop and have it run about 5-10 C coolerthan when it has it's bottom plate on, and this very example showed up in 1 review on both powernotebooks.com and malibal.com where people took off the bottom plate and got 7-12 degrees cooler. the most retarded thing is, they answer these review by saying it was a defective laptop and ask them to RMA it, the hell?

    a laptop cant cool without bottom plate on isnt really defective, more like flaws in its cooling design.. and the fact that donald doesnt seem to understand CPU will ALWAYS generate more heat than GPU, gpu is only there to help process stuff for cpu, really, try to think of 2 processors instead of 1. so i put cpu cooling a lot higher priority before graphic card. while saying that to him, he stated not to argue with him cause hes being with laptop for far longer than I have, where ive gotten my information from newegg and ncix, two of the biggest computer parts retail company in north america. its true graphic card generate heat and thats because its a small processor on its own, and without graphic card, the load on real CPU would be massive. and to think they would give only 1 fan to each cpu/gpu with almost no vents, really?

    do you know why asus is always so cool? especially the g74 and not g73 series. thats because the fans are together in 74 and not in 73, where the 2 big fans would work together on cpu and gpu. while i encode movies, it puts load of stress on the cpu and so 2 fans would both work for the cpu, and when i game, lighter stress will be on both cpu and gpu and both fan would kick in for both parts. so in any case, cpu is always cool. also note that there are NO VENTS at all on the bottom for g74 series.

    sorry if im off topic here, just had to explain some stuff b4 people get tricked by powernotebooks.

    i wonder if thats possible, i thought all g74sx version has keyboard/pad problem so i accepted it. if i can get one that works then its good. i had the same problem with my older hp which i just disable mousepad and use external mouse too. but i think the biggest problem is that i had everything set, my OS, softwares, registries, everything all changed to the way i like it, and in need for a good laptop for gaming and video processing, i just cant give it away and wait for 2-3 weeks for a new laptop, which might still be defective.

    i almost almost never use mouse pad cause i game with laptop and work on it. mousepads are too slow and hard to get use to, i work like 10x faster with a external mouse.
     
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    btw i wanted to ask. BB version has the graphic card intergrated so i cant change it. but can i add a new graphic card and then set it in bios so i use the better one?
     
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    No...there's no place to put one.
     
  17. Hendrickson

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    Taking off the bottom plate on the G74sx has no real effect. If you were really worried you could drill some holes in the bottom plate. But void your warranty.

    Looks like its not worth me upgrading the cpu even if its a 2720qm and free. Not worth the hassle. Of stripping this laptop just for a few more Mhz!
     
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    Is anyone running DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) or DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) in their G74SX (your CPU will need to have been upgraded from the stock for it to matter)? If so what is the make/model of the mem?
     
  19. Hendrickson

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    Hyper X 1866Mhz PNP will work at 1866 Mhz. I'll find out soon for sure and let you know. Just ordered 8GB to replace this 12 GB.
     
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    What is the timing on the memory 1333 that comes with the G74SX anyone know? My issue with that Kingston memory is the timing (cas is 11). You'll actually see better performance out of 1333 or 1600 in a lot of situations if you put something in there with say a 7, 8 or 9 cas.
     
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    I have ocz 1333mhz sticks at 9 cas. I will see if it makes much difference. What is that windows command again for testing memory mb/s ?
     
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    I think you might be disappointed. There are only a few situations where faster memory out performs faster timing. Gaming isn't usually one of them.

    Also are you sure your 2620 will even support running the memory faster than 1333?
     
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    Yes and I've seen benchmarks on the standard vs 1866Mhz. There is a difference. I'm not really gaming much on this system, just fwhen I can. I do plan to play the new elderscrolls on it. But I'm using it more for video editing, photoshop and dreamweaver. If it was just for gaming, I would have brought a sager with the new AMD Radeon HD 6990M.

    That 1866mhz vs 1333 ram should help with 1080p video encoding etc. Vs my old dual core i5 580m with 1333 ram.

    I'll get some benchmarks up when I get the hyper X RAM for all to see.

    Edit: 1333 vs 1866 HYper X for notebooks http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1599/3/ in the meantime till i get my hyper X 1866 kit.
     
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    MSI afterburner OC program works with asus g74sx???
     
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    I hope you do realize that you need a 2720qm or something better to run memory speeds higher than 1333. Also AFAIK the BIOS won't let you configure memory speeds manually, so even with a better CPU and better specced RAM, the computer might still just configure it to use 1333.
     
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    Your right with a standard 1600mhz or 1866mhz sodim. Not with these ram chipsets. Just read the review, how was it their i5-2520M ran the ram at 1866mhz? You don't need to touch bios settings, even if you could as they clock automatically. They are Plug in and play....

    Sandy Bridge will support 1866Mhz even non + 2720qm+ cpus....If its these Hyper X ones.

     
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    Skywise, You running software raid-0 on your secondary drives or does the 3DE support hardware raid?

    My 3DE shipped today. Will be here on Monday (I hate it when stuff arrives on a Monday hehe)
     
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    You can only do software raid on the G74
     
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    Hi guys, really like the g74, saw it at best buy, probably the best Asus keyboard I've seen. But, I have one question, anyone type on it for a while when its on your lap? That 10 pounds worries me, I mostly use my laptop on my lap in my recliner. Thanks!
     
  30. Hohlraum

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    Not sure anyone really considers this a 'laptop' :) It's really a desktop replacement and being lap compatible isn't the primary requirement when making those.
     
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    My son uses it this way all the time, and he's never complained or seemed uncomfortable. (I do consider the G74 a "laptop".....because that's what it is. ;))

    I do agree, BTW, that it's a fantastic keyboard.....by far the best layout and feel I've seen in a laptop keyboard. Be aware, though, that it's not perfect, and it seems to be the greatest source of headaches amongst the (hopefully) small group of owners who've had issues with their new machine. I want to emphasize that many if not most owners aren't complaining, but the common issues are keypress lag, missed keystrokes, no true numeric keypad, and non-functional keys. (Sometimes these are associated with touchpad issues, but not always.) To maximize the chance of a problem-free keyboard, be sure to update to BIOS v202 and ATK package 1.0.00010.
     
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    Big issues now. My mild fan hum has now turned into a high pitched grinding noise. Looks like i have to do a warranty return :(

    Either something is stuck in the left fan or the bearings just blew out in it. No idea but its too loud and sounds bad. NO way i can put up with this. Might see if i can vacuum the port if it is something in there. Unimpressed...First the speakers now this.
     
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    Software raid in Win7 ultimate. (it's faster and uses less CPU than chipset raid anyway)
     
  34. BrodyBoy

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    That sucks. :( You're definitely not within the return window? It'd be nice if you could just take/send that one back and get a new one. Faster turnaround.

    On the bright side, maybe your speaker rattle is related to the fan issue. (The left speaker is practically mounted on the fan assembly.) If so, maybe you'll get resolution of both problems.
     
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    Here is a video of my fan noise. Its actually 3 times worse now. This G74 has had less than 10 hours on time i would say. High unimpressed. I dont think I will be buying another Asus again....The is a huge hassle for me and I dont live in the US. Warrently returns etc with Asus's rubbish global warranty support is going to be a nightmare.

    New Asus g74 fan noise - YouTube
     
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    It sounds like something is rubbing against the blades of a fan. I've had that happen with desktops. Not that it really matters what the issue is it's still going to require disassembly. :(
     
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    Hi Hohlraum, I suppose you're right. Was just wondering. I really liked the design, keyboard and screen on the g74.
     
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    Asus support will take weeks to RMA. A week to receive it, a week to fix it and another week to send it back. Plus or minus a few days.

    I'm going to open her up. Its clear that the top is all in one. I've opened up many notebooks before so this shouldn't be too hard. Its like something is touching the fan. Like a cable or something. And if it was the bearings it shouldn't be making that noise if I move it. But its always making this noise! Its insanely loud now giving me a headache :(

    Opened her up. Easy job. I fixed my noise and some of the speaker vibrations.

    See this thread for more details:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...e-g74sx-reduce-speaker-vibrations-photos.html

    The root of my issue,
    [​IMG]


    Asus stuffed up big time and left this in there!!!!!!!!!
     
  39. Hohlraum

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    So it was the plastic hitting the fan blades? figured it was something like that.
     
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    BrodyBoy said his son plays like that (on his lap) so maybe its fine. :)
     
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    Yeah, it definitely is. Frequently, I also use an N73 on a laptop pad...the combined weight of which is probably similar to the G74...without discomfort.

    @ technoboy: A nice feature of the G74 for us "lap users" is that there are no air vents on the bottom. Typically, you have to be cognizant of those and take care not to block them, often with a laptop pad. (That's why I use one with the N73.) But with the G74, it can sit right on your lap without those concerns. :)
     
  42. Hendrickson

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    Yep it was that. I'm worried it may have strained the fan motor. But it seems fine *touches wood. The tech that assembled my G74 must have been hungover and left that huge bit of tape there. He also left about 4-5 screens shockingly loose.

    All in all if your unhappy with the speaker vibrations. Check for loose screws inside the area and plastic tape in there. Also tryp my insulation tape trick. It helps.
     
  43. Hohlraum

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    Yeah I'm hoping that since I had my CPU upgraded that PNB had a look around in there for any shenanigans. And I wouldn't worry about the motor. That plastic would have only had to be barely touching it to make that horrible noise. Kudos to you for having the nuggets to tear apart your system :)
     
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    Hi Brodyboy, thanks for that info. I really like the g74 especially that new keyboard and screen (tons better than the g73) but was worried about the weight. Thanks!
     
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    mag1 Newbie

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    Same problem/solution as you. Did you follow up with ASUS tech support?
     
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    Hendrickson Notebook Deity

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    @ Hohlraum and other non believers you were right. I was wrong. Hyper X 1866Mhz ram runs at only 1333 mhz because I have a 2630qm and the cas 11 clocks will make it slower than my stock ram at cas 9 lol :D ......Lucky I listen to only myself :D

    My testing with 2630qm... More to follow. Check back on this post.

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    Hey a 11966.18 Mb/s increase isn't bad. Couldn't have asked for better :) Asus should ship the G74 with this stuck default. My comp feels faster. Paint Shop CS4 open ups quicker, video editing and convert is way faster. All and All I'm happy.

    I guess you want a game benchmark ? give me a sec...
     
  47. Hohlraum

    Hohlraum Notebook Geek

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    You where wrong? It looks like you were right. What were the results of the hyper pi on the 1333. Don't see that one in the screen shot.
     
  48. Hendrickson

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    Sorry I was saying that with a bit of chekc. All these people telling my i'm going to be disappointed. It wont run at 1866Mhz and 1333Mhz Cas 9 would be faster. :rolleyes: I forgot the hyper pi on the stock ram. Someone here mind doing that? I cant be borther opening the back again and swapping it. Enjoying this 1866mhz ram too much.
     
  49. Hohlraum

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    @Hendrickson. If you ever do decide to upgrade the CPU. Be sure to get the newer xx60 models. They are considerably faster than the older xx20 gen. The 2760 benches slightly faster than the 2820. Although, you might consider a 2820 (larger L3 cache) if you can get one cheaper than a 2760.
     
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    I need urgent help guys, I only noticed this trouble after 2 weeks of purchase, My core i7 2630 is not the turbo boosting to more than 2.0 GHz. I've reformatted it after one week of purchase and was hoping that the answer to my dilemma would be a missing driver, but I still haven't found anything regarding my situation. I really need help guys.

    BTW: the one on the left is from a review site the one to the right is my f*ked up processor, please help me also I added an image of my WEI insted of 7.4 I only have 6.4

    I'm reposting since I've got buried with others who have speaker problems, Please This issue is been bugging me a lot, having only 2.0 GHz when rendering large video and Maya Files.
     
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