so is it safe to upgrade to 10.7.2??

I have SL but I would like lion, what do you guys think? Does it still have a bunch bugs, and reduce battery life? I have a 2010 macbook c2d 13" macbook pro and love my battery life...

 

I've had no issues with it

 

No issues here either..

 

I didn't even realize I was running 10.7.2 until this thread. I am not sure what the update entailed (maybe iCloud compatibility) but it wasn't anything that has adversely affected my experience with Lion. Then again, Lion was a smooth transition for me since I performed a clean install instead of upgrading (which is still highly recommended).

 

I didnt upgrade yet. Whenever i am thinking about doing it i am like — "even if it takes 20 minutes of my time and $20 usd — which isnt much ofc — is there any real reason i want to do it? Like will it be faster or does it have something i really need/like?". And generally i didnt find any reason to do it just now

 

Lion runs very well. I have a late 2009 i7 iMac and although I did a clean install I'm sure the upgrade for me would've been just fine. Many people that have issues after an upgrade are generally the minority that clutter up their system with a lot of 3rd party haxies to change the look and feel of the Dock and this can cause issues with their Lion install.

I have to say it takes a small bit to get used to but it's definitely stable and some of the issues and quirks I had with Snow Leopard are gone with Lion so overall I'm very happy. 10.7.2 fixed a few small issues some people were having so definitely I say go for it.

 

if nothing else, security updates. built in iCloud stuff is also pretty cool.

 

I also did a clean install, however, i'm noticing now that running off battery, it seems to be taking more juice.. Previously i could easily get 5hours, now 2-3hours, and i'm using the lowest brightness on the screen no usb or any other things hooked up nor do i have bt enabled.. Maybe i've missed something..

 

All those battery problems being faced by us have been noticed by Apple it seems. The apple forums have users claiming they were contacted by apple for help with solving the battery problems. So perhaps if Apple solves the battery issue, then all would be well with Lion.

 

i'll wait then..

 

I see, so i am not alone.. I thought these battery issues with updates where only related to iPhone OS (ipod/iphone/ipad), seems ilke apple always stumble into a battery issue with a new update no matter what product, hehe..

Aslong as it gets solved in a reasonable amount of time, i'm satisfied, for me, it's not THAT important atm, as it's cold outside so i rarely unplug it during winter. But for others who unplugs it often, i see a big problem..

I'm not really used to OSX, as i'm new to it, it all started with an iPhone, now i have like 10 apple devices in total, lol.. Anyhow, what i'm saying is, Lion seems rather nice, feels much better than windows in any way (except maybe energy saving alternatives is rather poor in OSX vs windows).

I hope they get a fix soon though, i'm always after perfection

Good call!



EDIT: Did an SMC reset and now it seems OK, now it at least doesn't calculate the time left to around 2.5hours but instead 4hours. Even with the two external USB-drives hooked up + mice. And 4.5hours without them hooked up! Seems to have solved the issue for me at least! Sweet! Thanks for the links to the long thread! Feels much better now, knowing everything is in order Now i can sit back and relax.

EDIT2: For anyone that is interested in the SMC reset procedure i'll just say it here so you don't have to read through.

Shut the macbook down, if you don't have the magsafe connected already, then hook it up, then simply hold down the left shift+ctrl+option key AND the power button at the same time and then release, now just start up the system like normal and you should be good to go.

 

My battery life still was reduced when I had Lion on my MBP last week. I'm back on SL because of it, and Lion still has compatibility issues for a couple of my programs.

 

5 people said it was safe to upgrade against one person that mentioned battery issues and that was enough to make you wait? Oh the power of negativity on forums.

 

Hehe, and i solved my battery problem too, so there are no issues now!

The power of negativity is all over the world i'd say, it takes one negative comment to make a whole store look bad that has sold something that has been working flawless to maybe a 100 people,

 

Haha, totally true.

 

Yes, I would hate to bring the total tally to (2) people having bad issues... lol

 

I might add that my battery life has even improved as it seems atm!

I've been running off the battery for 2 hours 15minutes now and it estimates the life to be around 4hours+ left, which would make sense as the math adds up, being that it's 67% left and giving that the 33% has been 2h15m usage, those 67% equals 4.5hours, which would give me a battery life of around 6hours and 30-45minutes, that's almost 7hours! Which imho, is REALLY GOOD.

So i'm sure that an SMC reset is all that is needed to get the battery up and running properly with 10.7.2.

 

The SMC reset did that to me too. But over the course of the day you'll find that the estimate was just kidding. It shows a lot of promise in the beginning but during the last 15%, the battery life just vaporises.

If it doesn't affect your work, try running down the Mac to see how much you actually get. No one on the Apple Discussions have more than 5hrs of battery life on Lion - most of em tried it with multi-tab browsing and an open mail app. There's also this problem with 8hours of sleep on the MBP using 3-4% battery.

Over at the Apple forums we have over 50 people with problems. So it's more like 50 vs 5.. Moreover, Apple has agreed that there is indeed a problem.

Anyway how did you solve your battery problem? Or didn't you have any to begin with?

 

Don't go by the apple estimated time on the battery. I would see 5 hours as estimated battery time, but I never got close to it. I have yet to test their estimated battery run time on an SSD equipped Mac, but I guess I'll do the next time around.

 

I never said I had a battery problem, I'm guessing your question was meant for the other forum member but you replied to me. It's not 50 vs. 5, it's 50 vs. thousands who are not having issues, but nice try though.

 

I claimed 50 vs 5 by the fact that there are 50 people in that forum who claim to have a problem and 5 here who don't. We couldn't count people who haven't spoken up can we.
Besides would Apple be looking into the issue if it only affected a small group of people? Just saying.

Since you say that you don't have any battery problems, could you tell me how you installed lion on ur MBP? I have tried upgrading from SL, and tried doing a fresh install from a Lion DVD which I made by copying the downloaded image. But both left me with my 5hrs of life and nothing better. Even putting it to sleep for 8 hours make it lose around 4%. Under SL it would have gone a day or more before a similar difference showed.

I'd appreciate it if you could reveal how much life you get on Lion with browsing and an open mail app?

 

This introduces a selection bias. People with issues are hugely moreso likely to post in forums than people without issues, imagined or otherwise.

No comment on whether there is a battery issue.

 

You're right!

I was trying it out yesterday and ran it down, i got a little over 5hours, still really good considering i always run safari with like 10 tabs open, mail, adium and some other small apps for sysinfo tools.

I agree, those who does not have a problem is not gonna go be heard of, that's because if you got no problem, you got nothing to report really, and as the majority doesn't know about the battery problem, they can't create a thread and say "hey - my battery time is fine!" as they don't know about it to begin with. It would be too much if all users that doesn't' face a problem needs to see what problems might be involved with the upgrades just to tell us it works fine for them. Usually people only post when something isn't like they expect it to be. That's usually the case in 90% of the time, if not more.


So yeah, i would also call it 50 vs thousands.. rather than 5. Because that's just not close to reality.

The bad things is always gonna get heard out "louder", while the good things always gonna be less heard off just because you can't expect everyone to post up when everything is problem free.

 

Yes, I see it now.

@HLdan You're right about this, I didn't consider that people without problems would be silent.
But I'd still appreciate it if you could you give me your battery life under Lion, thanks .

 

I had a 2010 MBP (now sold) and I tried out the early developer preview of Lion just to try out the features and I will say it was draining the battery which was understandable since it wasn't the final release anyway. When the 10.7.0 release came out I did a clean install (I don't believe in doing upgrades due to instability of any OS) and the battery life was exactly the same as in Snow Leopard.
I've since sold my MBP and now I just run Lion on my late 2009 i7 iMac which runs near flawlessly. I have no issues with crashes or Finder hanging or wireless issues now in 10.7.2. I did not install Lion on my iMac until 10.7.2 and I'm glad I did. I use it to run my business daily and Lion has been 100% reliable.

I will say this, while Apple may be addressing the battery issues in the MacBooks it doesn't mean that as a "whole" the Macbook Pro line or the Air's are having battery issues. You have to take into account every generation has either a different GPU or CPU or certain drivers to run that firmware version and your milage may vary.
I've seen some people complain that their new 2011 iMac with Lion pre-installed wasn't working well at all which I found to be a bit unbelievable. After several questions some of these people revealed that they used Migration Assistant and brought over all their Snow Leopard drama onto their new iMac and it caused instability. It's best to do a clean install and install each app individually.

You may want to follow "Michel.K's" recommendation and do an SMC reset which can generally fix a lot of small issues. When you buy a Mac with Snow Leopard pre-installed the firmware and SMC are set up to run on Snow Leopard. When you do an upgrade of an OS you may not get an optimized experience unless you reset PRAM and SMC and install your apps manually.

Do everything once and you're set until the next OS upgrade.

 

I agree with everything HLdan says, doing a clean install is always prefferd, if you can. It will always be more stable and less prone to problems, i always do that too, but even in my case the battery time was affected, but to the simple fix of a SMC reset.

 

Maybe the Lion download should have given the option of a clean install when it downloaded from the app store. I tried to get the installer out of the dmg file while it was downloaded but it didn't work out. I guess Apple dropped the ball on that one.

 

How exactly do I do the fresh install? After my initial install from the downloaded Lion, I reinstalled by booting into the Lion dvd that I had created. I've also reset my SMC and recalibrated my battery.

 

I got my copy via torrent and a hugely named site that holds those, in short "tpb" I don't feel bad for getting it from there as i actually purchased it via appstore, though i noticed i couldn't do a clean install, thus i got it from there, burnt it and then did a clean install from it.

 

How do you do the clean install, just boot up from the disc and install?

 

Yes, that's all there is to it!

 

MODS pirating alert pirating alert

Isn't each lion download attached with a unique receipt? I know they could have taken out the receipt, but I am sure apple checks it when new software updates are installed which have been rolling out regularly these days.

If you were able to move the receipts to the old appstore download, then you have to admit that is beyond most of the mac user base.

 

You could've easily burned a DVD from the Lion download. After it downloads don't precede with the install, instead just go directly to your Applications folder and you'll see the Lion install icon. If you right-click or two-finger tap/click it will bring up a contextual menu and you choose "Show Package Contents". From there you have to drill down to the file "InstallESD.dmg". Drag that file to Disk Utility and burn it to DVD.

The full instructions are here in the attached pic.

Once you create your DVD as mentioned above you shut down your Mac (with the DVD inserted) and then press the power button and hold down the "C" key.....(you can also hold down OPTION and then choose the DVD as the startup disk. Once it gets to the install screen you'll have the choice to erase your hard drive and install Lion.

 

As I remember, I did that. But I don't remember seeing the option to erase my drive.. I must've missed it perhaps. Anyway, when I installed from the DVD all my settings and apps were still available.

 

Hehe, sure, there is always ways to get around it easily, but let's not get there, as talking about such software isn't appreciated by mods etc, i have never ever had a warning on a forum since i started using them 12 years ago, and i certainly not wanna start to have them now.

And sure, i may not be the average user, i usually like to fix everything myself as far as it can go But sure!

I see, that would have been much simpler!
I'll do that with my real copy then, there is always ways you didn't know of, and you always learn something new everyday Was googling about it before i installed it and i couldn't find such an easy way to make it work with a clean install, so thanks

I'm a former windows user so my ways of doing some things may not be the most convenient nor optimal i see now, so i'm sure i will learn one thing and another.


Btw, i didn't need to hold any buttons when i booted from the optical drive, it just gave me a choice to boot from the DVD straight on, with my old macbook

 

I bought an i5 MBP 2011... came with lion, I'm here to report lion sucks! My wifes 2.4 c2d runs better than lion, I've never sean the beach ball as much...

 

I will let HLdan rip you up for that!

 

then you need to fix your computer.. I have it on several machines... its very very rare I see a beach ball. Your probably running some incompatible software on it.

 

it's new...

 

and you haven't installed a single thing on it? or done anything with it? changed settings... anything?

Its possible you have a faulty machine as well...

Lion has actually been a bit faster on my main machine than Snow Leopard was.

 

Nothing but a CD.. I did run the permissions check and there is a bunch of errors. I did thr fix permissions but didnt work. Im now re installing lion. Wish I could put in SL..

 

Nope, I am not saying a word about the disturbing post the OP wrote. I've learned (especially here) that nobody on forums will ever know the true story of what other posters say about their computers or the true story of what they do to them before coming here, simple as that.

Same here, Lion runs flawlessly on my late 2009 iMac i7. No beachballs ever and it launches apps much faster than SLow Leopard. I've never really found Snow Leopard to be a snappy OS, it just felt the same as Windows 7. I have several friends that have Lion Macs and they are having a good experience.