mbp heating problems

i was reading MBP reviews and found that :
1) apple would be releasing new mbp sometime in june.
2) Heating problem kills mbp.
3) its not worth buying because of some lcd problems too -...not

The reason of me having MBP is :
1) try out new system. personally i like linux.
2) i am a computer professional with expertise in windows/linux but zero expertise in MAC!!!
3) SHould i wait until next january for the new MBP to be released ?
4) How is the technical support of Apple compared to Vaio's in terms of laptop repairs ?
5) I have heard that Dell is even better...how true is it ? Any comments.


sure


Please help me to take decision over vaio with followign configurations :
Customization Details


* WLAN (802.11a/b/g/n) with integrated Bluetooth® technology
* NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GT
* LCD 15.4" WXGA (XBRITE-HiColor™) with integrated video camera
* DVD±R DL / DVD±RW / DVD-RAM Drive
* 250GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [5400 rpm]
* 3 GB DDR-SDRAM (DDR-667, 2GBx1 + 1GBx1)
* Microsoft® Windows Vista® Home Premium with Service Pack 1
* Intel® Core 2™ Duo Processor T8100 (2.1GHz)
* Norton 360™ All-In-One Security (60 Day Trial)
* QuickBooks Simple Start
* Video Standard
* Photo Standard
* Microsoft® Office 2007 Home/Student [free]
* No Engraving
* Standard Battery (BPS8)

I would appreciate as many answers as possible and would take all of them constructively


Thanks,
Mauvais.

 

what are you gonna be using the notebook for?

are you plan on using mac os x?
if you plan to run windows, get something else; like the lenovo t61p.

about the review question
1) the next update would be the new montevina chipset... dont follow the timeline anymore.. though apple usually will not update the laptop as quick as other manufaturer.

2) when the core2duo MBP is out; there is no real heat related issue. the first generation coreduo MBP do have heating problem.. the new one has different vent design.

3) i heard complaints about the LED equiped MBP, about some bluish tint. dunno how bad this is... havent properly inspected MBP equiped with LED.

about the reason question
1) mac OS X is a really great system.

2) there is not much expertise needed to run mac. there is no weird error message, or registry problem, or fragmentation problem to take care of.

3) not sure on this, since i dont follow the timeline anymore, but, if you dont need a computer now, then why not wait, the next update is a major one.

4) the service and support of apple is second to none! the people are friendly and knowledgeable and it feel that they actually care about your problem. apple policy on product service and support is very very good also.

5) dell price is usually very price competitive. though quality of the product and the quality of the service and support also drop.

why do you wanna buy sony anyway?

 

I second wobble987's comment about Apple's service. It's exactly what wobble987 says, second to none.

However, for a Linux enthusiast, Dell is best, I think. With their latest Ubuntu based laptops.

 

Veebe:
1. MBP might be a pit pain when keeping on your lap all the time. But when it is on the desk it is perfect in terms of heating. It becomes a bit warm but it does not matter because at least the fans are turning on very rarely. Passive cooling. I am all right with it.

2. SONY VAIO laptops have a very bad reputation and do you really want to stick with Vista with a lot of bloatware, if you are a Linux fan?

3. Dell have way more issues with screens that Apple. This was one of the reason I sent my Dell back just after purchasing and bought a Mac. With MBP you have 1440x LED screen. Apple is a pioneer in terms of screens, in my opinion. And you can get a nice matte display if you prefer. Screen in MBP was one of the selling points for me.

4. Don't put off purchasing a laptop only because Apple is planning to release a new model. MBP is such a powerful line that you really don't need to wait for a faster one. They update them regularly anyway. You would only consider a short wait if you have a few days left till the planned update.

5. Tell us what do you want to use it for? For me MacOS X is a class. My productivity is much higher - very quick search with Spotlight, Time Machine saved me many times, I was able to fix one of my apps as the logs are easily accessieble and you can recover problematic files from the backup (imagine that with Windows!).

 

The heat really isn't a issue with modern MBP. The very first CD versions of the MBP stayed VERY hot. All the time. Even when pretty much idle.

About 6 months after the initial release, they changed the logic boards and did a few other tweaks which made the 2nd gen of the CD macbook pros (the one I have) run MUCH cooler than it's predicessor. They still get hot when the HDD, CPU and GPU are at 100% utilization, but if you wear jeans, its feasible to have it on your lap.

Four of my engineering coworkers have MBP's (all bought in the past 6 months) and theirs runs VERY cool. Though, they don't really game much. But temp benchmarks have shown not only a significant decrease in chassis temps when gaming, but also much better battery life.

 

I am waiting for that myself

It gets really hot, but the heat doesn't kill the notebook. It may kill your plans for kids if you hold it on your lap though.
I use heandrest sticker, which does't transfer heat as much as aluminum, so my hands are more comfortable than streight on the aluminum surface.

I have no problem with LCD. LCD has some cooler feeling than MacBook CCFL screen. Older models had very high grainness of glass surface. Now they are very smooth. Vertical viewing angles are not very good though.

Wait at least until the next update. It sould be clear in June what's going to happen.

For Windows Dell should be better if you compare XPS 1530 with MacBook Pro 15.4". You can get Dell with LED screen in US, same resolution as Mac.
For 17" models MacBook is much lighter that anything Dell offers. I would buy one if they would have 1680x1050 with LED screen.

 

What? Your palm rest gets hot? I have the 2nd hottest running MBP model and my palm rest barely get luke warm when at 100%... Which model MBP do you have?

Dells are good for Windows :-D I'm waiting to see the release of the E-series latitude. Lats are the only dell notebooks worth owning.

 

After all the comments, I have decided to ship my Vaio back without even opening the case.

I am going for MBP and cant wait till June !

What about ipods? One of my friend suggested to wait until August. Normally apple provides free ipods during that time. But in this case, do they increase base price of MBPs ?

I have heard a lot about "bloatware" on vaios. Can anyone please explain what do you mean by this term ?

Thanks,
Mauvais Garcon.

 

I have MBP C2D 2.2Ghz. It gets VERY hot on the left side even just standing on the table with WI FI on. I think that WI FI card make half of this heat. I am thinking of getting Express Card Wi Fi, but it's inserted in the same place, on the left side, so I don't know if it will help.
But as I said, once I've got plastic hand-rest protector I don't feel the heat anymore. It feels like plastic MacBook.

 

They run a free ipod promotion for students around august. What it actually boils down to is a $150 rebate for buying an ipod, so you get a free base model nano or you can put the $150 toward a better version.
No, they don't inflate the MBP price.

Bloatware is crap software that comes preinstalled. It's generally useless stuff that slows down your systems.

Weird. Mine does not get hot at all on the palm rest. My WIFI chip doesn't get hot either and I use it heavily.

Now, above the keyboard, THAT gets HOT!

 

At www.macrumors.com there is buys' guide. It says that based on the statistics iPod will be updated soon. I suppose that they will update iPod Touch when they release new iPhone, which will be in June (that was rumors say). But if you want to buy iPod classic may be there is no reason to wait. There are not that many things that may change in this model. Except of hard disk size I don't see any worth changes since iPod Photo.

 

http://www.notebookreview.com/defau...ition+(Core+2+Duo+2.4GHz,+2GB+RAM,+200GB+HDD)
has cleared mentioned that it is a like a good toaster! Is this true....

Any help is appreciated.

Mauvais.

 

I also had MBP 2.4Ghz before and one of the reasons I sold it was that it was running too hot for me, instead I stayed with MB 2.0 C2D, which didn't get hot. Also had MBP 2.16 C2D and for this one I don't remember it getting hot, but I didn't use it that much. Spld it because the screen was very grainy. My friend had MBP 2.0 CD, which was much hotter overall.

 

Careful there. There is no passive cooling on the MBP, or any Apple system. The fans constantly run at 2000rpm at the minimum on the MBP (2500rpm on the MacBook Air), and there's two of those fans on the MBP (one on the MBA). If the MBP were really passively cooled, I'd hate to think how much hotter it would get!

 

It gets hot, but it's not that bad. The only time you may run into issues with using it on bare legs is if you are gaming or doing heavy work.

There are many notebooks that will FAR exceed the temps the MBP puts out.

Having a laptop that has a hot case temp is one of the tradeoffs when you are dealing with a thin and light (the lightest 15" laptop in the market) laptop.

 

I've never owned a laptop as hot as the MBP. Which ones are hotter in a 15.4" case?

 

The first ones that come to mind are Gateway tablet PCs. Those ran REALLY hot. The M275 (think it was that model) ran WAY hotter than my MBP.
If I remember right, some of the Vaio's get really hot too. I don't remember which models, but the one my friend has, gets really hot if she actually uses it heavily.

Keep in mind also... Some of the laptops that don't run as hot, which have exhaust ports on the bottom, can be more prone to overheating. My sager couldn't be used on anything other than a desk because it needed real clearance to vent the heat.

 

Well the M275 is many years old now... and the MBP is current. I've used a ton of Vaios, and I don't believe any of them get as hot as the MBP. It's great the MBP doesn't actually overheat, but boy does it run toasty.

 

Now I am really confused. Any tips on heating problems ? Honestly my vaio (borrowed from my friend for sometime) is very cool. HP (my prev. laptop) is also quite cool.
Please help.

WilliamG-when did you buy MAC ? Did you buy in 2008?

Thanks,
Mauvais.

 

What are you confused about? The heat isn't a problem.
Yeah, it gets hot, but it's only an issue if you try to game with it on your bare legs. I've gamed on it a lot with jeans on and barely notice the heat.

 

My old XPS M1330 was also cool, and had a similar spec to my current MBP. My MBP is a late 2007 model, before the refresh earlier this year. My friend just got a new 17" MBP 2.5Ghz model, and though it runs cooler than mine because of larger casings/processor refresh, it's still quite hot under load.

I've used several MBPs over the last year, and they all run toasty. That's not to say they're not stable, because they've all been rock solid!

 

Oh Thanks! Now I know what to do next

-Mauvais

 

I think the problem with MBP is that the heat is transfered to the case very easily because of aluminum. MB doesn't heat as much because of plastic.

 

Does a notebook cooler like teh Pacific breeze help cool these systems.
I have a Pacific breeze that I carried everywhere with me for my 17" XPS.
I will be purchasing a new 17" MBP within the next few days, will this cooler help cool the system for small gaming sesions from time to time.

Plus now I really want to start using that High Def video Camera I bought.