iPhone 4.0 OS event

Watch the Keynote here first! Skip to 11 min to get info on multitasking. http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1004fk8d5gt/event/

Well 4.0 will have multitasking. Looks like you can have 4 main apps to switch between, and have something like Pandora in the back ground not taking up one of your 4 app spots. Not sure on exact details yet.
4.0 release is this summer, dev's can get it today.

Multitasking for 3gs and ipod touch 3rd gen, and iPad.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/multitasking-comes-to-iphone-os-4-0/
"You heard that right, people -- iPhone OS 4 just brought multitasking to the platform! Apple says they've figured out how to implement third party multitasking without hurting performance or battery life, and they're demoing it now -- you just double click the home button and see a list of your apps, and you can just tap to switch between apps. The system actually runs the services apps need in the background -- the apps don't need to do them individually, so it's not a "true" multitasking system, but it seems plenty effective. There are seven services: background audio, which allows you to use the standard pop-over iPod controls, Voice over IP, which can receive calls in the background, location services for GPS and social networking (there's an indicator if any service is tracking you), updated push notifications with local notifications, task completion so you can finish things like uploads in the background, and fast app switching, which lets apps sleep and resume instantly. Notably missing? Anything for managing a conversation, like IM or Twitter, which is a big omission. Win some, lose some, we suppose."


Skype will be more like a normal phone. You can receive skype calls while the phone is locked.

There will be 1500 new API's

It will have folders for your Apps.

Gamekit, add's match making and other stuff for games.

Unified inbox, have multiple inboxes in one inbox.

iAd's - Put's ad's in our apps. Maybe more free apps

Steve talking about the demo's he's doing.
"- Demo time! “What we’ve done is mocked up a few ads.” Toy Story 3 ad. “It’s a Disney movie coming out this June… I’ve seen it, it’s really good.” Laughter.” All this stuff is done in HTML5, by the way.” Bigger laughter. Ouch, Adobe"

 

I can see all iPad reviews being updated @ fall...

 

Multitasking appears to be like WP7, in that the apps sleep and resume. Apple does have a task switcher instead of having to rely on a "intelligent" back button. And, at least from what i can tell, it does a bit more than just push notifications.

It'll be interesting to see how it compares to true multitasking

 

I am not sure that i like that true multitasking on my Androids-sometimes they slow it down or drain my battery!

 

iPad should just run a stripped down version of OSX ... It really needs a filesystem and flash support for the money it is charging.

 

the iAds bit worries me, I get enough crap advertising as it is I really dont want it popping up on a phone too. bloody telemarketers are bad enough

 

The point is that there are already banner ads in many free apps. They're just crappy flash-like ads that take you to a website.

 

I have a question with regards to the multitasking feature that iPhones are "finally" going to get:

Couldn't jailbroken iphones with 3rd party apps do true multitasking? Proswitcher, Backgrounder, multiflow, or whatever else allows an iphone to multitask?

 

I prefer the proswitcher implementation, and TRUE multitasking found on the pre and android.

Frankly, I am disappointed. I was hoping OS 4.0 would have more changes like widgets, and more information on the lock screen, as well as a somewhat revamped notification system. If they implemented these features, I would jump ship back to the iphone. I still think jailbroken 3.1.2 > 4.0 at this point.

 

How is proswitcher different to true multitasking? Could you explain the difference to me?

 

It isn't, I said it prefer that type of true multitasking along with those found on the other platforms.

 

Proswitcher is true multitasking. What iPhone 4.0 does isn't.

But I don't really see that as a bad thing. I have proswitcher installed, but I don't used it a lot. I mainly use it to switch back to Mail or Safari to check something when I don't want to completely close another app. This allows me to do just that, and do I care how? Not really. In fact, I'd rather have the memory and battery life. That's why I use proswitcher so lightly in the first place.

I think the developers will really get around the few faults of this multitasking method. Audio can go on in the background, VOIP calls work, local notifications can actually be better than true IM multitasking because you'll get a pop-up notification when you get a message rather than having to periodically check your IM app.

Honestly, the biggest problems I have with OS4 are the lack of lockscreen info and still no quick messaging. Those are two of the main reasons I jailbroke, and I see this as a big miss. Lockinfo would be particularly hard to give up now that I've gotten so used to having push notifications, missed calls, weather, and even full email at a glance. They really should have done something here.

 

Wow, I might throw a few hundred dollars at an Ipad now. Oh wait, no camera or flash support.

 

In my eyes right now, Apple fails... BIG TIME.

http://gizmodo.com/5512610/original-iphones-3g-cant-fully-upgrade-to-iphone-os-4

"Apple's iPhone OS4 looks fantastic—but you're SOL if you are running an original iPhone or even a 3G. While that's not such a huge surprise for the original iPhone EDGE model—it's been a few years, now—it's shocking that the 3G, one of the most popular models and one that is still on sale, is getting the shaft."

As much as I'm in a bad mood right now, that made it soo much word. A big middle finger to Apple is coming from me. Why would you shaft the 3g? To force consumers to purchase your 3gs for a false sense of multi tasking? I don't care that the multi tasking isn't "real" multi tasking, but why shaft millions of early adopters? Why would you dare them over when they're the ones that carried you and made you so successful? he basically ed over all of Canada because the 3g was the first model released, and everyone jumped on it. Why Steve Jobs?

You can say what you want, I just lost all respect for Apple and their mobile division.

 

I guess you must have even less respect for Microsoft since they won't even put part of their new mobile OS on the old Windows Mobile phones.

 

The situation is completely different because it hasn't been microsoft creating their own phones this whole time. The Iphone/iPad OS is strictly only on Apple products, while WinMo is on every kind of phone-vendor you can name.

 

They are shafting the 3g and 2nd gen ipod touch because they are almost half the power of the 3gs. I really don't think it could handle it. Jailbreakers will be able to find out once it comes out. That's like getting mad because your ps2 can't play your ps3 games.

I think iAd will be good, as said before apps already had ad's but they where crappy and took you away from the app, iAd is controlled by Apple, the ad's have to be approved by Apple. So we may see more free app's.

 

Again, another irrelevant comparison. Look at multitasking on a jailbroken iPhone, it worked near flawlessly when I had it. There's no saying that you can't do it because the 3G's hardware isn't powerful enough. I don't care about the 2g, that's fine, that's old hardware. The 3g is relatively new compared to the 3gs, and users should NOT be shafted.

You are comparing the PS2, which was released in 2000, to the PS3, which was released 6 years after.

The 3g was released in July 2008, with the 3gs released in 2009. Hmmm 6 years or one year? Do your research first before you try to state anything.

 

I was really hoping for something like android's multitasking, where its "true" multitasking, while apps running in the background use almost no cpu cycles and little memory. Android also has a notification bar to alert the user of almost anything. Multitasking is very well done on android, apart from a solid application manager/switcher like the palm OS. Apple could of taken a page out of their book, although this is a huge step up from how it is now. I'm sure most users wouldn't notice the difference between it and "true" multitasking, only that this features should of been implemented a year ago.

I know apple wanted to be real aggressive with the iphone os, it looks good so far, and I hope they can come out with a killer iphone 4, with a lot of hardware to take advantage of. Compared to android phones coming out soon, they have a lot of catching up to do...

 

As far as I'm aware, the specs between the 2g and 3g are similar, so you don't care about if multitasking is on the 2g because you don't have it even tho it's practically the same spec as the 3g. Sounds like you are just bitter because you don't have a 3gs.


What does the android multitasking do that the iPhones doesn't? There are api's so there can be audio in the back ground and stuff.

Found some more info on multitasking on the iPhone. You can have as many app's as you want in the back ground (or maybe just a large limit) to put a app in the background you tap the home button once, to get you multitasking dock you double tap the home button. To quit a background app in the multitasking dock you hold the app until a red x appears.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASvswtwj9Mk

 

why is anyone with a 3G complaining? you're running a 2 year-old phone using 3 year-old hardware (+3G).

chances are good you're up for a phone upgrade which, I assume just about every 3G owner will take advantage of this summer with the iPhone 4G launch.

so why the pissing and moaning? I have a 3G and I'm thrilled because my phone upgrade coming this year will actually be an *upgrade*.

 

Actually I had the chance to own a 3g and a 2g at one point in the past, and just recently I owned a 3gs. I'm bitter at Apple, and bitter for my friends who jumped on the 3G bandwagon. While the internals are still the same, the 3g was released in many places that the 2g was not, making the 3G the more "common" device if you will.

 

Most people don't like signing up for another 2-3 year contract. It's not an upgrade, it's a renewal of contract here in Canada.

 

I have a 3G and couldn't believe that they were using the excuse that our phones aren't powerful enough to run the new features of 4.0 here's a few things:

1. I have a jailbroken iphone with backgrounder, which is multitasking for real, it keeps the app running while you can minimize it and run other apps. It runs perfectly fine, with no lag.

2. Their "multitasking" isn't even multi-tasking it pauses the app, so that when you return to it, it knows where it left off, which would use less memory than backgrounder

3.I found it so weird how multitasking couldn't be used on the 3G, while the iAd CAN be used!?!. Now let me get this straight. The new ad's that they are coming out with are pretty much apps running inside of real apps. NOW that would mean that:

It pauses the app (just like "multitasking" does) which then runs the AD app on top of the real app. When your done with the add, you can hit the "x" at the top left of the screen and return right back to where you were in the app.

It seems weird that our hardware can only "multitask" when apple can make money

4. I also found out that our hardware can't use backgrounds on our home screen. Let me just say that that picture attached it actually from the 2.21 days (and i even have some from 1.1.2 days).

I'm not going to buy a new 3GS just so i can get their update. It seems like they don't care about people who bought a 3G phone on a 3 year plan 1 year before the 3GS came out. Kinda hard to buy a new phone when we still have 2 years left.

I'm not giving you more money for the exact same phone with a couple extras, when my phone can do the same thing, and more while jailbroken.


f$#k off apple.

 

you can always buy an iphone from Apple without a contract if the contract scares you. here in the US, anyway. not sure about other countries.

I've been satisfied with AT&T, but the Verizon option might get more money since my service has been sometimes spotty.

 

Damn straight! That's what I'm talking about it! Here in Canada, there are no places to buy Factory Unlocked iPhones (Apple Store doesn't supply them) and we can only get them from Rogers, it's daughter company Fido, Telus, and Bell. In order to get a DECENT plan from any of these companies, you must sign a MINIMUM 2 year contract. And just remember, our data plans are horrid. $30 for a gig? On top of our already high voice plans? Come on.

 

not sure why people feel like Apple needs to support 3 year-old hardware with new technology.

get a new phone, bro. or just enjoy your jailbreak (best option if you don't want to spend money). but let's not act like Apple owes it to you to add features to your 2 year-old phone with 3 year-old tech because they don't. name another 3 year-old tech-based phone where you could even remotely have these kinds of expectations.

you bought the phone without those features so it stands to reason you though the phone was "good enough to buy" as-is then, with no guarantee that it would get more features, ever.

/perspective.

 

Then don't buy the 3gs buy the new iphone that will be coming out in june/july 2 years after the 3g.

 

I was like until you said

sorry dude. that blows. you all need more competition in your market. you're being swindled like us Americans are on health care and high speed internet speeds.

still, Rogers contract pricing isn't Apple's fault. they don't owe you (or I) anything beyond what the product was when we bought it.

jailbreaking is and will remain your friend.

 

Because it is still sold NEW to this very day in many places.

Again for all you know he could have bought a 3G yesterday, as it is sold new in shops. Id be pissed too.

Yes, just like every single other people in this world. I just could not bare to walk around with the same phone everyone has, I cant take the sub without seeing 5 people and their iphone, its insane its like seeing a bunch of sheeps.

I had to give mine away. I got a EU Hero and a Droid, and man Android is so refreshing and much more advanced than this iPhone os, what they do now android has done it long ago, and I'm staying faithfull to that

You try HTC sense, iPhone doesnt compare after that. lol..folders...groundbreaking...

 

It's not 3 year old hardware, hell, from my calculations, it hasn't even hit 2 years yet. Apple is doing this as a move to get people to upgrade to the 3gs. I don't understand why Apple didn't clear out the 3G stock and just left the 3GS remaining at the price of the 3G.

Yes, health care is great here. I can go to the doctor and not care about bills, and OHIP will cover most medical procedures, but it's not free. It's payed for by taxes. See here in Canada, almost everything is more expensive than in the States, not to mention here in Ontario, we are paying 13% sales tax.

http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=WLRS_Plans&category=data

Check out Data prices, $80 for 5 gig, not including the voice plan which could cost $25 and up including the $80. Hurry for Canada. So we get "free" healthcare and get hosed for everything else, ESPECIALLY electronics.

More competition is finally being allowed thanks to the CRTC (corrupted payed-off s) allowing Wind Mobile to enter Canada. Their prices are BETTER than what Robelus (the "Trinity") has to offer but it's still expensive compared to the "All you can eat" plans in the US. Plus, we don't have free Nation-wide calling like you guys do. Calling to another province (equivalent to a state) and even within a far city in the same province is considered long distance.

 

After trying the Moto Droid I realized, "Wow, theyre finally starting to get it right!" Finally, the iPhone isn't the only decent touchscreen phone on the market anymore. Hell, the iPhone's even being outdone! Android is a beast, and it is the future. Blackberries right now are way behind with their ageing OS and lackluster browser.

 

I think it cant be done because the 3g only has 128 RAM vs 256 for the 3gs, you arent going to multitask smoothly the way Apple likes to have their userexperience with 128 RAM...you arent going anywhere with that much ram, thats most likely why original iPhone os never meant to go Multitask too.

 

It can be done with a jailbroken iphone..

 

The iphone was released in July 2008. When it first went on sale, it was a 3 year plan @ $299 for 16GB (I believe)

It ISN'T even 2 years later and they are removing support for it, giving excuses that our hardware cannot run these "new" features. I don't know where you are getting "3 year old hardware" from. Under 2 years is not long at all, and being 21 months old does not justify the purchase of a new phone. I don't know of any other technology that i have to spend $300 every 2 years on. Unless the hardware is out-dated, then they should still support it. This just shows that apple only cares about money, and not about their customers.

I bought my laptop 2 months after i bought the Iphone 3G. Am i expected to buy a whole new computer because it can't play computer games released now? Or what about windows 7? Would i have to buy a whole new computer if it is more than 2 years old from when windows 7 was released? NO! because 2 year old computers CAN still run windows 7, SO they allow them to run windows 7. they don't make some bull excuse saying that older computers can't run it so they can make more money off of people.

This is just how apple pisses me off. This is my first apple product, and I won't buy another.

 

Yeah, we do get screwed, I need a new phone and I'm waiting for a iPhone (aslong as the new one is worth it) Rogers for the last two iPhone launches have has a 6gb deal, which I'm hoping to get, but knowing my luck, they won't do it anymore. Not to mention even with the redicules prices, we are stuck on 3 year contracts, unlike the US and MANY other countries.

By the time iPhone OS 4.0 comes out the iPhone 3g will be 2 years old.

 

Their "multitasking" isn't real multitasking. all it does is pause the apps, so when you return to them, you go right back to that same spot.

I use backgrounder (jailbroken) and it is REAL multitasking. I minimize an app and can go to another while the minimized app is STILL running. THAT is real multitasking. My iphone runs it PERFECTLY, no lag or anything.

and don't even get me started with the backgrounds, or when apple said our hardware couldn't handle mms.

 

Exactly, and we're the ones that are affected the most by this. Europe phone plans DESTROY Canada. Rogers will do it soon don't worry, because Wind Mobile should also be receiving the new iPhone, and it has its $30 (I think) unlim. data plans. Only drawback is if you go over 5 gigs, your speed is throttled. BUT HELL THATS A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ROGERS. So $30 for over 5 gigs vs $80 for Roger's 5 gig only (and if you go over you pay through the teeth).

It annoys me because the iPhone 3G is relatively new. The Bold 9000 (the first phone I TRULY fell in love with) was released August 2008, and it was RIM's flagship blackberry at the time. RIM is STILL released updates for it, and the jump from 4.6 to 5.0 was HUGE, and there's still patching coming out every month or so (sometimes less).

Now, the 8310 and 8320 did not receive the 5.0 update, but the 8330 did because it had more RAM. I was mad because you can always optimize code and users shouldnt be left out. I had a chance to play around with the 8330 and I updated it to 5.0, and it ran 5.0 just-alright, and I understood there is a hardware barrier for the 5.0 update.

A Jailbroken iPhone 2g and 3g can be used to multitask quite nicely. If Apple really wanted people to stop jailbreaking, they should've allowed features such as true multitasking, changing themes, and make the platform as a whole extremely customizable. I myself didn't care about the free cracked apps, but rather having a unique iphone OS.

 

All it does is pause the app and put it in memory and allowes you more paused apps then I'm sure you could have open with backgrounder... Nothing is stopping you from using backgrounder. But I still fail to see how backgrounder is "real" multitasking. As far as I'm concerned, neither is real multitasking, one just pauses the app to save resources and battery life, and the other leaves it open in the background. You still can't use more then one app at the same time. I also really don't see the diffrence between the two, yes one keeps the app going, but what can you do with a app in the back ground? Apple has come out with API's so apps in the back ground can still do stuff and are not completely paused. Tell me some reasons why you would need to keep a app running in the background.

 

When I had my iphones, I HATED having my internet radio (Pandora) app close because I wanted to check a text message. Seriously annoying. Backgrounder was quite easy to use and I liked it. From what it looks like, it's going to be the closest the iPhone is going to get to multitasking.

 

OH don't even get me started with apple and their apps.

I bought an itunes card to buy apps. no where on the card did it say you can't use it towards apps in canada, but guess what, after i payed and redeemed it, apple then tells me canadians can't use itunes cards to buy apps because of some legal issues.

I don't understand legal issues because with xbox live, we buy points cards, redeem them and buy stuff on xbox live, which is exactly the same as buying an itunes card, redeeming it and buying apps online.

Which is why i now say screw apple (not because of the legal issues, but because they didn't label their card, or warn me in any other way that we cant buy apps with an itunes card in canada OR give me a refund) SO that is why i use cracked apps.

this will probably get deleted, so read it while you can. f#$k apple.

ALSO using backgrounder to minimize anything that is downloading, it continues the download, or while listening to internet radio etc.

 

Hah my girlfriend had the same issue and so did I!

 

And did they give you a refund for it? I will bet money they didn't because all they want is money. Why would they let you know if it isn't their fault and If they can make money.

They've know canadian's can't use the cards to buy apps for years, and I will BET ANY MONEY that if i look on a card today, they STILL wouldn't say anything about not being able to buy apps, and they wouldn't let you know until you redeem it, which by then is too late to return it and get your money back from apple.

 

That's great, why? Because in Apples keynote they demo'd Pandora still playing music while in the background. Apple has come out with over 1500 NEW API's. Skype can show up a call when the phone is locked and skype is running in the background.

Watch the keynote guys it will clear things up. skip to 11 min for multitasking.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1004fk8d5gt/event/

 

yea well thats good for 3GS users... What about us 3G owners with iphones that are less than 2 years old?

I can't understand how anyone would spend $300 every 2 years on new phones. If you do, your F#$ked in the head, and apple knows this, so i guess this is why they can get away with this bs.

 

That's great it only took ~2 years years. I no longer have an iPhone, as there are many smartphones that do what it can do, and excel it. I'm going back to a Treo 680, as I really loved how Palm did things back then (no one has a better calendar or daily planner than Palm's legacy OS)

I get bored of the same interface for the same ~2 years. I think it needs an overhaul (The iPad for sure needs one!)

 

HA who would buy an ipad? there isn't even flash support and they don't plan on it. It's an oversized ipod touch that will just become obsolete in less than 2 years because the hardware won't be good enough for future updates.

My next phone will have an android OS. I will never buy another apple product because of their poor customer support.

and PS: anyone who says "just buy the iphone 4G when it comes out" why the f#$k would i buy another iphone?!? just so I can have it become obsolete in less than 2 years? give your head a shake

 

Well another API is giving dev's access to the Calender API, so we will probably see better calendar apps. 4.0 is adding a lot and I think it bigger then the 3.0 update.

 

I am so going to give up Jailbreaking. OS 4.0 has everything I needed and it's even better Multitasking without killing your performance and battery. Jailbreak one doesn't do that.