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    iPad = Win 7 thin client

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by Khris, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    Really...
    1GHZ ARM Processor running Windows 7 on top of an emulator...
    Can't believe anyone could actually say all of this in one sentence.
     
  3. stephen0205

    stephen0205 Notebook Consultant

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    yeah it sounds kl, but it wont happen
     
  4. Budding

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    Citrix XenDesktop is a remote desktop application. So yeah, it would be very possible to run a virtualised copy of any OS on a PC on the iPad.
     
  5. jackluo923

    jackluo923 Notebook Virtuoso

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    1Ghz ARM arm processor is more than fast enough to be an thinclient
     
  6. weinter

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    You have to keep in mind that ARM Processor do not support many performance enhancing features like the x86 made by AMD and Intel.
    No out of order execution etc.
    It maybe even worse than a VIA Processor.
    Couple this with the fact that ARM doesn't process x86 instruction set,Windows 7 doesn't have a ARM Port therefore some sort of software assembly translation have to be in place worsen the issue.
     
  7. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    its not that complicated.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_desktop_software
     
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    I believe the 1ghz ARM is actually faster than the 1.6ghz Atom. But benches remain to be seen.
     
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    Zlog Notebook Deity

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    yeah remote desktop is really going to be choppy and slow unless you are on a LAN.... no thanks.
     
  11. Jay_d

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    Can't compare a risc and a cisc processor based on similar performance since neither are similar in processing data and instruction sets.
     
  12. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    You don't seem to know what Remote Desktop/Citirix is.

    You can setup just about any machine XP, Vista or Windows 7 (assuming you have the correct version) to accept Remote Desktop connections. All processing is done by the desktop machine and not the machine connecting to it. Essentially the client machine is sending input to the remote machine and then displaying the results.
     
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    I think that is describing yourself.
    I use Remote Desktop on my Windows Desktop system.
    Works fine and fast on LAN but subjected to ISP speeds when you leave the house.
    Not to mention you need to leave the stupid machine on.
    Waste of electricity if you ask me.
    That is why I said it was like Cloud Computing Windows 7.
    Windows 7 is a OS meant for a Client machine to run natively not over some remote desktop thing.
    It is good for work only because the company pays for the electricity.
    Moreover you don't get full functionality of Windows using remote desktop.
    Watching Videos sucks for one anyway.
     
  14. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    Ok then slick. :rolleyes:

    Yup, that's exactly how Remote Desktop works bot on a LAN and over a WAN. Machines do tend to need to be left on if you want to access them remotely......regardless of whether you're using Remote Desktop or not.

    I didn't actually, but ok.

    Do you make this stuff up??

    Everyone will have their own specific use for whatever OS they choose to run, but that doesn't mean Windows 7 is better suited for a Client installation as opposed to being used over Remote Desktop.

    Ah I see, you're just cheap. To each their own.

    For the purpose you would actually use Remote Desktop, it's 99% fully functional.

    That's because Remote Desktop wasn't meant to watch videos over.
     
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    Funny you said 99% when you can't watch video and do anything that requires 3D Processing.
     
  16. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    Remote Desktop isn't designed for graphics intensive applications. I'm not sure why you're having a hard time understanding this.
     
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    swarmer beep beep

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    You should probably let Microsoft know that, so they can stop bundling the Remote Desktop server with the Professional and Ultimate editions of Windows 7.

    Well, running it natively is going to give a better user experience... but I do think Remote Desktop has its uses... particularly when you want to access some stuff remotely. ;)

    For example, think of all the times you've heard about some laptop being stolen that had thousands of people's personal data on it. If they had used remote desktop, instead of copying the file to the laptop, those problems wouldn't have occurred.

    Also, for files you forgot to sync, or you don't have support for that file type on the iPad, or you want to access stuff from your office computer from home, etc.
     
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    I am comparing the feasibility of running your "Win 7 thin Client" with regards to the full functionality of Windows 7 to obtain a good usage comparison instead of misleading other readers by promising them "99%" functionality which isn't even 90%.
     
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    Please don't mis quote my words.
    I said Remote Desktop Server is for people who WORK from home and need to access their files and emails while someone is trying to make Remote Desktop sound like the ideal solution for running Window7 on an underpowered ARM Device.
    Moreover do you have a static IP for your home computer for remoting into your Windows 7 when you are outside with your "Windows 7 Thin Client"?
    You need a DYDNS which adds security risk by making your Home IP accessible for remoting.
    And someone claimed that this "solution has 99% of the full capabilities of Windows 7" when all the multimedia components of Windows is basically unusable.
     
  20. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    No one is trying to make it sound like the ideal solution to run Win7, simply stating that it's feasible and possible to run well assuming you use it for purposes that are within it's capabilities which DOES NOT include watching videos!
     
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    As far as i'm concerned, I can watch 1080P blueray movies via remote desktop on windows 7 on my intel atom netbook. I can also use CAD/3dmax studio on my netbook using remote desktop.

    As for the processing power requried for remote desktop, it requires very little. People can remote desktop on their ipod touch/iphone easily and the processor inside an ipod touch isn't nearly as fast as the one in ipad. Thus one can easily use iPad as windows 7 thin client.
     
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    Are you sure we are talking about the same thing?
    I use remote desktop on my LAN (Wireless G) all the DVD Movies drop frames like crazy.
    Only when I access it as a file sharing server then it was ok.
     
  23. jackluo923

    jackluo923 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yes, i'm talking about remote desktop 7, the newest version that's included in windows 7. It allows is much more powerful than previous versions due to the availability of hardware acceleration. E.g. full Aero, Direct 2D & Direct 3D 10.1 application support, 1080P hi-def videos...etc

    Just look it up on google if you don't believe me. I use wireless G lan to "play" 1080P Blueray rip video content on my netbook though remote desktop and I experience 0 dropped frames.
     
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    Theres settings to remote desktop depending on the bandwidth of the connection your using.
     
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    Select "LAN 10Mbps or higher" setting and the videos shouldn't lag on a wireless G network.
     
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    Just tested still isn't good enough compared to native playing or connecting via file sharing.
    My signal strength is a 2 on Wireless G
    Higher FPS but still not good enough not to notice frame drops.
    I guess you must be next to the router to perform better.
    Moreover when accessing it as file sharing someone else can be using it as a main desktop and only 1 logon is allowed at any one time unless you modify some files.
    Again you will need a DYDNS to access it from outside.
     
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    Yah, your weak signal is probably the culprit here. I have full bars everywhere around the house and experiences no dropped frames.