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    Win 7 Beta in Bootcamp?

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by DITTON, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. DITTON

    DITTON Notebook Guru

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    What the likelihood of me being able to do this?
     
  2. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    32bit version works just fine.
     
  3. acruxksa

    acruxksa Notebook Consultant

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    You should have no problems. I've had Win7 64bit running in bootcamp on my unibody macbook for nearly 2 months now.
     
  4. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    Yes but how about the drivers Apple provides? Do all of them work on 7?
     
  5. killeraardvark

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    7 will pick up everything except maybe the way the touchpad works. The video driver will ether be a Nvidia 8600 or 9600 driver and the sound will be a realtek HD audio driver that you can get at www.realtek.com.tw, just get the Vista driver and it will work in 7. Using Windows updates should also pull all the latest drivers. Good luck.
     
  6. Mercellus

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    Windows 7 Beta 1 works fine in Boot Camp, the only thing you'll need to do is install the Boot Camp drivers from your first Mac OS X Installation DVD and then download the latest Boot Camp update + the Multi-Touch Trackpad Update if you are using an Aluminum MacBook or a Late 2008 MacBook Pro, and then grab the latest beta graphics card drivers from http://www.nvidia.com/ for Windows 7 (as the ones that ship with Boot Camp are a bit dated.)
     
  7. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    The only problem I've found so far is that I can't seem to get the network driver installed when running my Boot Camp installation of Windows 7 in VMWare Fusion. Anyone else have this problem and/or found a fix?
     
  8. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    How about the 64bit version?
     
  9. DITTON

    DITTON Notebook Guru

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    Best news ever. Thanks guys!
     
  10. Mr. Wonderful

    Mr. Wonderful Notebook Evangelist

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    I've heard that some Leopard OS DVDs do not contain the 64-bit drivers, while newer ones do, in which case, you have to download the drivers via a torrent, etc. Otherwise, it works fine.
     
  11. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    I've read online about it, it seems it's a straight-forward process, and everything works just fine with the torrented Windows 7 beta x64.

    I'm downloading the x64 beta from microsoft.com right now and I'll try it on my 2.53 unibody
     
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    Is an upgrade installation possible with the beta, or are you all doing clean installs?
     
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    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    cdnalsi, maybe u shouldn't have gone for 64bit as it may be a tad bit more unstable than 32 bit
    try 32 bit
    if u want to give W7 another chance
     
  15. Ljay

    Ljay Notebook Enthusiast

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    clean install is the best, but...I've been using an upgrade to vista x64 for a week and the only problem I've had was during installation. I needed to uninstall kaspersky 7.0 before going forward with installation. The upgrade took about 2.5 hours but it saved me a lot of time later by having to re-install all of my programs. I'm also using parallels with my bootcamp partition to type this and that install went very smoothly as well
     
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    I have to clean install anyway...using a 32bit Vista edition atm and I want to move to the 64bit one
     
  17. Emerican_Idiot

    Emerican_Idiot Notebook Consultant

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    Hey I have windows 7 running via vmware however now i want to run it through boot camp so i can get it's native speed. Would it be possible to use boot camp to run the windows 7 that i've already been using with vmare. If not how do i create a partition with mac osx. I also have windows xp running via boot camp so would it be possible to make another partition?
     
  18. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    You can not use a VMWare installation in Boot Camp....you will need to reinstall it, and Boot Camp only supports one copy of Windows at a time.
     
  19. alphanash

    alphanash Notebook Guru

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    Clean installed this morning on my MBP (early 2008 version). The x64 version works great! I didn't even need the leopard disk, but installed anyway for the bootcamp switching app. A windows update got the video and network drivers.
    So far so good... It's pretty slick
     
  20. Mr. Wonderful

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    So 64-bit isn't supported for the normal unibody macbook?
     
  21. taelrak

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    Where did you guys get the 64bit drivers if you bought Leopard before 2008 (i.e. before the 64-bit drivers were included on the DVD)?
     
  22. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Been downloading for a while, should be done soon. I just need to make sure I get any necessary things off my Vista partition before doing the install. Despite what people say, I'm going to just wipe the vista install and replace it with Windows 7, as I don't really have anything important in Vista. I just use Vista for my games. It's going to be a *beach* to re-install all my games though. :p

    And I sincerely hope the nforce toolset works in Windows 7, as that's what I'm using to overclock at the moment.
     
  23. alphanash

    alphanash Notebook Guru

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    If you have the space, clone the Vista partition. I used Winclone and dumped my bootcamp partition onto an external drive so I can always go back to it if Win7 decides to turn against me at some point :D
     
  24. JWest

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    Heh, good tip, thanks :)

    I don't think I have an extra disk anywhere though (There's an old iPod in my house somewhere, I could try that).
     
  25. Nitrousoxide

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    If you're ever having trouble installing something that worked in vista, right click on it and go to Properties -> Compatibility -> Vista Compatibility mode.

    You should be able to install anything you were able to in vista that way.
     
  26. ATC

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    I just finished downloading my copy of 7 from TechNet and I have bootcamp 2.0 on my MBP. I hear some people saying one needs to download an update to bootcamp, is that right? Is 2.0 not suitable to install 7 with?

    UPDATE
    I'm just downloading Bootcamp 2.1 update for Vista 32. It's a 228MB exe file; I presume that has to be installed after windows is installed. So, I should just go ahead and install 7 using Bootcamp 2.0 and then install the Bootcamp update later?
     
  27. Emerican_Idiot

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    Is there anyway to bypass this? I'm really liking windows 7 but still want to be able to run XP. The way I installed windows 7 was I used disk utility and made the Mac osx partition smaller. Then with unallocated space I installed 7 on it. Now if I can't run both 7 and xp I want to uninstall 7 how would I do this. Now I might run 7 through boot camp and xp through vmware.
     
  28. Paul

    Paul Mom! Hot Pockets! NBR Reviewer

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    Just finished installing Win 7 32-bit, and so far looking good. Biggest problem was that the OS X DVD wouldn't eject for some reason. Also, trackpad doesn't work the most reliably, but I hear that's true even in Vista and XP.
     
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    Ah...installation...what a nightmare...repartitioning, remodding the MS iso to work with older MBP EFI, tweaking drivers, etc.

    The ironic thing is, I haven't used OSX for so long for various reasons, and now after installing Windows 7 and using OSX in in the interim, I suddenly decided I want to use OSX again instead...

    Well... at least one good thing came of this.
     
  30. ATC

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    I finally took the plunge and installed 7 32bit using Bootcamp 2.0.

    The installation went smoothly (I recall Vista took less time but oh well). Ran Bootcamp from Leopard Disk 1 fine then update to 2.1. Sound still didn't work but I had the Realtek R214 drivers handy (released yesterday) and through device manager installed the driver and sound works fine now.

    To my surprise, everything seems to be working fine and correctly recognized except for the life of me I cannot get my wireless (BT) mighty mouse to connect. It sees it and says "connecting to device" when I try to add the device in the BT console but the spinning blue circle just goes on forever; left it for 10 mins at one point with nothing happening.

    The other thing that's really annoying, and this isn't a 7-specific issue but rather Bootcamp I think, is the lack of tap-click on the trackpad and the horrendous two finger scroll; it's so erratic, unpredictable and very unresponsive that it's practically useless.

    I'm going to look for an old USB mouse right now because I cannot work effectively in windows using the trackpad for very long.
     
  31. Paul

    Paul Mom! Hot Pockets! NBR Reviewer

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    I don't know about the older MBP, but my MacBook (unibody) has tap-to-click with the latest updated driver. It's very touchy, though, so I have it turned off.
     
  32. Paul

    Paul Mom! Hot Pockets! NBR Reviewer

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    Oh, for some reason, two finger click is really weird in Windows 7. It wants to click AND right click at the same time. It gets really annoying on the taskbar with the jump lists, as it'll bring up the jump lists, then as soon as you release, will close them and the window.
     
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    If they wanted to make a nice clear transparent dock with pinned and stacking programs...why don't they at least make it 3D like OSX?

    Functionality aside (which has been good for the most part), Windows 7 is kind of...ugly....
     
  34. JWest

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    Alrighty, backed up the Vista partition and installed Windows 7. Very very slick, I'm impressed :) Just got to install the proper audio drivers. Overall this looks pretty awesome though. I'll post my full opinion when I've had time to play with it more :p
     
  35. ATC

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    My MBP is from early 2008, just before the Penryn with multi-touch units came out so I think I'm out of luck. It would have been nice of apple to add at least a tap-click driver to Bootcamp for the non-multi-touch pads and maybe improve the two finger-scrolling.

    Windows 7 so far has been good. I get the occasional ``Defender not running at startup`` error in Action Centre but I think that's due to the delayed startup of Defender. Also windows.time service seems to be turned off or blocked from starting (at startup), so it has to be started manually everytime you want to sync the clock.

    IE8 has crashed once and I still can't add my BT wireless Mighty Mouse. I somehow had the French Canadian apple keyboard layout as default after running Bootcamp, which was annoying as I couldn`t get a slash typed at all (/), but everything else seems to work; WinRAR 3.80, RoboForm 6.9.92, Nero 8, Office 2007 etc...I even installed my Canon MFP network printer with no issues. It`s a pretty usable OS; Far from the Vista Beta 1.

    At this rate we should see Windows 7 RC by next month. :p
     
  36. JWest

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    Will vista display drivers work properly in windows 7? They installed just fine, but I can't get stable overclocks anymore. Good thing I backed up Vista :p
    I'd hate to go back to it though, I'm lovin' Windows 7 so far.

    UPDATE: Ok, I can't OC quite as far as before, but the Vista display drivers work and let me OC almost as far. It's a fair trade off for a much better OS :D

    Besides, it's not a huge difference. In vista I got 600/850/1400 (core/mem/shader), and in Win 7 I get 600/820/1350 (roughly, I'm still testing).
     
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    Hmm... these drivers are acting funky. Everytime I OC, it's fine for about 5-10 minutes, then the screen scrambles and I have to reset the driver. I don't know what the deal is, as Vista handle the OCing just fine. I may play around with different drivers though.
     
  39. MICHAELSD01

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    How'd you turn it on?
     
  40. JWest

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    Heheh, whoops. Turns out I just forgot to disable powermizer. That's why I couldn't OC anymore :eek:

    Anywho, it's all working fine- Vista display drivers seem to be doing the trick. I'm OCing back to 600/850/1400 with no problems so far.
     
  41. snowfree52

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    Hi,
    I tried to install macdrive that way but could't do it.

    What do you people use to see mac formatted external HD on W7 ?
    thanks
     
  42. Paul

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    It's in the Boot Camp Control Panel under the "Trackpad" tab. The Boot Camp icon may be in your system tray. If not, just search the Start menu for it.

    This is assuming, of course, that you installed Boot Camp from the Leopard disc.
     
  43. LetsRok

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    You might be able to get it to install by telling it to "run as administrator" as well as the compatibility mode. I've had to do that with one or two programs so far.
     
  44. ItsDaKronic

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    what exactly is new on it? Just more headache or what. vista takes 5 mins to bootup so the next one should be like 10
     
  45. HLdan

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    Well, TBH the newly enhanced thumbnail previews are quite useful in W7. Wasn't a big deal in Vista but much better in 7.
     
  46. Seshan

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    Win 7 boots up in under a Min for me, in bootcamp.

    I play games in win 7 everyday and I haven't had any problems with it.

    They got most the problems worked out from the other "beta" ;)
     
  47. StrongerThanAll

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    win7 loads faster than vista for me in fusion
     
  48. Colton

    Colton Also Proudly American

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    Windows 7 load times in VMware Fusion are about 2:30, I don't know why though.
     
  49. StrongerThanAll

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    really?
    my dont take that long, i mean, to get to the login screen
     
  50. Colton

    Colton Also Proudly American

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    Yeah, it takes a really long time to get to the login screen, but when I get to the desktop it runs like a charm.
     
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