Why does Mac and Safari suk?!

I absolutely HATE this machine and regret ever buying this POS!! Sorry but I really need to vent. Have had this MBP for over a year now and still hate it. Never again folks! Sorry it may be pretty but it suks compared to using a Windows machine. I am ready to give this away.

 

There is this little thing called ebay. Perhaps you would be best off going there to resolve your problems.
While I can understand the need to vent. The purpose of this forum is to help solve problems. Thus if you have one perhaps you can elaborate and we might be able to help you. Otherwise I suggest the mod's close this thread before yet another flamewar erupts.
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Ill take that macbook pro off your hands

 

write down my address...

 

You know, as much as I hate Macs, you didn't give much reason.
I mean, yeah Safari sucks, but I don't think most Mac users even use Safari. I know my dad uses Firefox and... I think almost every Mac user I know does too.
The operating system is really not very important to most end users. While some power users have legitimate reasons for preferences to Windows/Mac/*nix, people just using the computer for basics should see little difference between them.

 

Go buy a plastic Dell.

 

this may be OT,but what are your reasons?

 

Proprietary operating system and being so overpriced are the two primary issues I have with Macs, along with the misconceptions many Mac users have that:
-They cannot get viruses
-OSX somehow magically makes their computer faster
-The quality is insurmountably better which justifies the high cost
Well...
-Macs can get viruses. You're much more likely to get a virus on a PC than on a Mac, but if you spend a few minutes educating yourself, preventing malware infection on a PC is very easy.
-I don't even know what to say about this one.
-Apple doesn't even make their own product - they subcontract out just like almost every other computer distribution and sales company. In fact, much of Apple's product line is manufactured by Quanta, the same company that makes much of Sony's product line. Compare the quality of a good PC like a T series ThinkPad or a Dell Latitude, and you'll have better specs and the same quality when compared to a Mac at the same price.

I prefer Windows because, as a computer technician, it is what I work on 99% of the time and it is important that I have . I do have a Mac in my home though to keep my edge on OSX so I'm not sitting clueless when faced with a problem in that area though. Not to mention that most software is PC only, and the software that can be used on both is almost always updated for PCs before Macs. Even software that Macs as "designed for," like Adobe's Creative Suite are released for PCs weeks before they are released for Macs.

I'm a "bang for your buck" kind of guy, I always go for the best value. Unfortunately, it's rare that Apple, Sony, Alienware, Falcon Westbook, Voodoo PC, or any boutique brand falls into this category. That said, I do consider quality extremely valuable, and you won't find me ever buying a laptop from a low end brand like Acer, or the home series of brands like HP, Dell, or Compaq. My personal preferences are in the middle, Asus, Dell Latitudes, Lenovo. In my opinion, the perfect price-performance-quality tradeoff. Some people will always prefer shininess though, and power to them.

I really could go on and on about this, but it's not that I think Macs are bad computers, I just think they're deceptively marketed (which definitely works) and just truly not a better product for your money.

 

I see and understand your points,but sadly I cannot understand why do they cause "hate",f.e.,I hate Acer since I have had very bad experience with them and once it even got fire... and if you don't mind,I ll like to share my opnion on some of your points-
1)if you check apples website,they say this

2)better in some points,worse at others...IMO,you need to settle your priorities when choosing OS.

3)true,there are better build notebooks in the markets,but I don't think that anyone will say that just good BQ can justify high price!

 

Well, I should say it more like this I suppose:
I hate Macs because of the ignorant culture that surrounds them.
I hate Apple as a company because of their aggressive advertising that promotes this ignorant culture.
I don't use Macs because I can get better elsewhere, for less money. To be honest, I think the 13" Unibody Macbook is quite an attractive little machine. I would consider it (and then put Vista on it of course) if I couldn't get a Lenovo with better specs for the same amount of money.

1) As for Apple's stance on Viruses - they put that in the fine print to cover themselves. Go into any Apple store and ask if you can get a virus on a Mac, and they'll tell you it's not possible.

2) I don't understand what you mean here.

3) No, I guess you're right. Lots of people do it for looks. Lots of people claim it's for OSX, but I don't really see any advantage to having OSX unless the primary thing you do is use garage band.

 

Got you...but if Paris Hilton has Porsche,you won't buy one just because she has one and love it?(a bit wrong comparison ,but my point is that personally I don't care about others...)

1)maybe be...but lets npt get started on that,cos there are "lots of lies" in all retail chains...

2+3)I mean that although I own 11 different computers,I use my macbook for everything except AutoCad and gaming...MacOS gives me the luxury not to maintain my compute-windows,driver updates(and the part when sometimes some drivers don't work together so you have to check before updating),defragment,registry clean up,etc. I hate all that staff-true,it is easy,but very annoying...

anyway,I think this thread is useless and should be closed. Hep,if you want,we can continue our very pleasant conversion(I really mean it) via IM or PM

 

LOL...that's like saying..

Is a PC save from Mac viruses?
Yes, a PC is 100 percent safe from viruses designed to attack MACs. And although no computer connected to the Internet is completely immune to all viruses and spyware, the Windows OS is built on a solid NT foundation and designed with security in mind. The Windows web browser, Internet Explorer, alerts you whenever you’re downloading an application — even if it’s disguised as a picture or movie file. And Windows continually makes free security updates available for PC owners. You can even have them download automatically.

This is true for all OS. Apple just made it sound much better.


Also.. you hate acer because a couple of their laptop has caught on fire? That's pretty biased view. Haven't you heard that Macs catch on fire and exploads as well? Macs catch fire and explode much more often than Acer when you look at the percentage of their laptops that catch on fire and explode.

Also... the thing that's caught on fire is the battery. You can't totally blame Acer for that. Much of the responsibility goes towards the battery manufacture, not the laptop manufacturer.

If you're an experienced user, Windows will run just as smoothly as OSX. Consider the view of a experienced computer technician who knows Windows really well, they'll find OSX a POS, all buttons awkwardly placed, everything is just "wrong", not compatible with most of the things they use..etc. If you look at a experienced OSX user, they'll say the exact opposite. If you look at OSX vs Vista from purely technological stand point, Vista is much more sophisticated and more advanced. But one could argue that the UI in OSX is more "advanced" and easier to navigate for a novice user.

As a experienced Windows user, I do not have to worry about viruses, faulty drivers, defraging or optimization (all due automatically by windows)..etc. OSX is very hard to use and I can't find anything in it. Everything is misplaced and decreases my productivity a lot. Nevertheless, I'm a Windows user thus it's normal to find "New" things awkward to use.

 

Like I said, this is the reason for my disdain towards the product and company. My actual reasons for not using the product are based on real preference for something else.

 

So don't buy a Mac, simple as that.

 

Hey man, he asked me. I didn't come in here spouting about everything wrong with the world. This is what I mean by culture, Mac owners rarely want to legitimately rebut anything I say the way Xirurg has done - which I commend him for. They just want to act like children and be like "WELL NO ONE IS MAKING YOU BUY IT." Probably because the only real rebut except in a few cases is just "I prefer OSX," not that it is actually better.
And because I support people who do own Macs, I kind of do need to own a Mac. But I purchase new ones rarely, currently have a PPC 1.5GHz G5, it replaced a Lime (400MHz) G3

 

Can you elaborate on your experience? Perhaps you are doing something wrong or got confused along the way?

And of course, you may just dislike the whole process and everything, but you haven't identified anything here that we can do to help you or anything.

I notice you complained earlier in February about problems:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=355856

If these are the problems causing you to believe that this sucks, then the video issue has nothing to do with Apple or Mac or Safari sucking, but rather Microsoft writing ActiveX only for IE (which is a terrible browser, I do some part-time website design and absolutely detest it) and you should contact your university regarding support for the Mac.

This is from the other thread. In Mac OS X, most applications are installed by clicking the downloaded file then dragging the application into your Applications folder. Mac OS X does not automatically install any application you download; instead it lets you "test drive it" and if you don't like it you can just delete the file. Hence, you will notice often you are ejecting a virtual drive, and that was actually storing your application temporarily. If you like it, then drag the application in.

Mac is not for dummies, Mac OS X is just another operating system. To say that Windows is for smart people, or dumb people, depending on who you're talking to, is absurd. As for the fact that you could figure this out before in Windows, of course, since you've done it all your life? That's to say driving on the left side (as is the case in many countries) is stupid and absurd, simply because one has driven on the right side all his/her life.

There are many Mac guides out there on the web that would address your questions and issues, including ones I have written. I regret that its quite outdated and I haven't had a chance to update it, but it still would answer many of the questions you had.

 

funnest joke I heard in a while...

I am speaking of my own experience with Acer notebooks...it is my notebooks that got on fire...

I used Win since I was 8 years old now studying computer since and was just accepted to MIT.I qualify myself as experienced user and disagree with.if you use win your whole life it will take a week or 2 to get used,but after that everything is ok(and FYI,you can change the shortcuts)so how does being an experience user help when company fails to provide decent drivers which do not "fight" with each other?And I said that it is not hard,but annoying to do.

No problem at all,I appreciate your input in this thread

 

Hate to take part in any Mac vs PC debate that's degenerated into cliches and name calling, but as a longtime PC user just getting my feet wet with a new Mac Mini, one who agrees that a lot of the so called "advantages" of Mac and "disadvantages" of PC are overrated or outright false, I have to agree with one thing...

Garage Band is awesome!

We now return you to the regularly scheduled, predictable debate...

Dave

 

I agree, furthermore your Uni should be clearly stating that they DON'T support mac. Thus your anger maybe best placed towards them for not properly informing you of the course requirements... which if its reliant on ActiveX and IE is that you need specifically a Window/PC laptop. If you had gone out and got a cheap netbook running Linux you would be in the same boat, so again not really Mac's fault
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Can I borrow it? I just tryed to play an old game the other day, and never knew it included a Mac version on disc. Pity when I couldn't run it because it needs Classic.

 

Haha, it's actually still in my basement. It has OS 9 installed.
I'll trade you the whole system for a copy of "Power Pete."

 

ignorance surrounds the entire PC industry, not just mac users. 95%+ of all users of any computer are either uninformed or, worse, misinformed.


paris hilton buying a car should not make you resent that car company. this line of thinking is just so flawed. i am sure that i could find ignorant culture clouds surrounding just about any manufactured product. i just can't see how that would be included in your educated criteria for getting a computer that works.

 

Thanks for kind words you know,it is kind of like all the reviews - f.e. they say that m3 is better then merc c amg 63,but when you drive both,you think "WTH!screw m3,merc feels better and is more comfortable"!or when they say XXX movie sucks,but you think that it best movie in the world...

All is personal and we all have our very own "stair of values" and definition of term "overpriced"...

 

i never had a problem with safari..

 

The author should really elaborate on the specifics of his problem with his MBP. Perhaps it will teach us something.

I think you missed the point here.

It would impress me if the Apple site said this instead: "Yes, a MAC is 100 percent safe from viruses designed to attack MACs."

Immunity

I like Macs too, but happen to like PCs more.

 

After your last thread where you seemed very unwilling to cooperate with people helping you to solve your problems, I'm going to go with this one simple statement.

Kissesmom, you are a troll.

If you really even have a Mac, sell it fast, and buy something more userfriendly, like a Little Tikes laptop.

 

Ohh, OP, you just wait til HLDan gets in here. For sure that's when the flame wars will heat up and then close yet another thread of showing Mac as anything less than perfect.

To OP, why don't you just return your laptop to the Mac Store?

 

No offense mate. I personally am not a Mac &/or PC fanboy but... Don't we all buy things that we prefer/like? I mean you don't go buy something you hate, do you? Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but based on these 2 points, I really have no idea what this thread is all about...

 

If you're stuck in a course where you need a Mac, but you hate a Mac.. what do you do then? Get a Mac?

or

What do you do when you're broke and can't afford a Mac but still need a computer, you buy a Windows or Linux computer.

The thread is about a guy's opinion who dislike Mac and Safari because he doesn't know how to use a Mac or is don't know the limitations or capability of Mac OS and Mac computers.

 

If you pay so much for your tuition fees for a class (I'm assuming this is a college course we're talking about) that requires a Mac, I would think that there should be computer labs in your school with Macs set up for students to use. If not,....

 

Well man, you can like whatever you want, but give me valid reasons if you're going to say one or the other is better.
Personally, I think the Mac VS PC debate is like arguing which is better, Red or Blue.
Someone can be like "well I prefer blue because it's good aquatic camouflage" and someone else can be like "I don't ever go in the water but I like red because red light does not decrease night visibility in low lighting"
You can argue which is better until you're uh... blue in the face, but what does it come down to?
Some people use Macs because they prefer Macs. Some people use Macs because ignorant fools told them it was better for a made up reason. I have no issue with group one - I have an issue with group two, and the fools who educated them (sometimes members of group one...)
I use Windows because I prefer Windows. It's not a better OS, but the strong points it has outweigh the strong points OSX or Linux have, and each has it's case to make:
Windows - high level of compatibility with hardware highest level of compatibility with software, easy to use when educated, can be frustrating when not
OSX - Limited range of hardware use, limited software compatibility, extremely easy to use, high price, some unique software
Linux - Highest level of hardware compatibility, huge selection of free software, including the OS itself, no support for some software like many games, most stable but I think ALL OSs are pretty freaking stable now a days.
There's lots more, but that's the basic breakdown I see. I don't need any of OSX's special software, and I'm extremely well versed in Windows. So I don't see how anyone could argue that OSX would be better for me. I really can't stand all these people suddenly being in love with OSX when they really don't understand that fundamentally, every OS is the same and accomplishes the same thing. VERY FEW people have legitimate NEEDS to use one OS or another, MOST people choose because of one of the reasons mentioned above, or a similar one.

And for the last time, yeah. I own a Mac. I don't have much choice considering I sometimes need to support Mac users [as part of my job] and it's important to know your field. Fortunately, I have many many more PCs.

 

Linux is running great on my Router with 8MBit of ram, 2MBit flash storage, and 150mhz CPU.

 

Linux (IPCop) and an old Compaq Armada are my router
But yeah, linux can be written to run on anything. iPods, routers, old hardware... though that's a misconception that really irks me about linux.
I hate people who are like "oh yeah I love linux, it doesn't need ANY system resources, you can run it on a 386 hur hur hur." Yeah, you could, a really old distro or one designed to run on terrible hardware, which in all likely hood will have almost no functionality. It's not like the newest release of Fedora Core or OpenSUSE don't use as much system resources as OSX Leopard or Vista do.

...even though I'm just ranting now, maybe you see my greatest issues with most of these things are not the things themselves, but the huge clouds of stupidity that seem to form around them.

 

How much energy does your old Compaq Armada use?

I use DDWRT and sometimes openWRT on my router. Both DDRWRT and OPENWRT is definetly better than the stock firmware.

 

Not sure TBH. It's a 500MHz P3-M, so not much. Never really measured though.

 

I'd say between $3-6 a month in power consumption. My P4 router project (running Endian) uses roughly $3, with no drives other than a CF card. It will be slightly less once I get rid of the video card I'm using while I get it setup.

I prefer Macs because I know how to use them well, and efficiently. I will easily get 6 years of use out of my Mac Pro with just small upgrades as I go (so hardware isn't a limitation), and Mac OS X is always getting better. But I still use something with almost every type of OS at least once a week.

 

+1

cheers ...

 

Once again, no offense. I'm not going to give you any reasons on whether Windows or Mac OS is "better." Why? The reason is that I personally believe that such questions on which OS is "better" is all subjective. Obviously, you & others will probably disagree. That's fine.

I mean I can give tons on reason on the either side to support that they're better than the other but does it make any difference? The answer is definitely NO. From the start of this thread, I can see that no matter what good things I'm going to say about Mac OS &/or Windows will make no difference to you. It's very obvious that you've already have one & you're sticking to it so that is my main reason for wondering what this thread is all about.

Anyway, I'll recommend that you stick with which OS you think is worth it & just be happy with it. Good luck.

 

I guess the macbook pro didnt work out for ya (maybe used to the good ol' windows xp/vista method).

You can try firefox instead of safari, if it still doesnt do it for ya then sell the mbp.

 

After using computers for over 20 years I got fed up with Windows and switched to Mac this year. I can honestly say the Mac is far better than any PC I have ever owned. I had to install updates on my son's PC the other day and wanted to pull my hair out after the first 1/2 hour of installing 5 updates. My PCs always had networking issues and I was constantly wasting my time reinstalling printers on my network because my PC wouldn't be able to connect properly. My Mac set up the connection to the printer in 1/4th the time and had not had a single connectivity issue.

Sure it took me a couple of days to get used to the UI but it was much easier that the change from XP to Vista.

 

would anyone like to trade me a windows machine for this pos?

 

what kind of windows machine?

 

All "luxury" laptops are POSs, vaios apples voodoo, all look sick but money goes into the looks and not the build quality or performance. Macs seem to be the worst, but also are the most unique with the thin build and OS X, however they sacrifice quality for looks. An example is their cooling system. Macs only kick up the fans when the cpu gets to crazy temperatures(i think its something like 80 c) which keeps the computer quiet but also decreases the life span of the machine. The aluminum case and small design add to the problem but also look very appealing. However to the average computer user doesn't even notice and the lifespan is adequate.

 

So the fact both my dad's MBP and my best friend MBP still work after 2 years is a, fluke?

 

2 years is consider a short time. 10-15 years is a long time for a laptop's life span. I have a thinkpad 600x and it still works.

 

True, if were thinking like that I still have an Apple Powerbook 1400c that works

 

I'll give you my brand new Samsung NC10 netbook for your mbp!

 

Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. I work on computers too and 99.9% of the time they are PC's. Why? Cause of market proliferation. Simply put, there are way more PC's out there than there are Macs. And the virus issue-Most viruses are designed for PC cause they will 'infect' more computers that way. That is why fewer Macs get viruses than their counterparts. Then there's the quality and cost issues. Same hardware, lot of the same software-different OS that you can't run on a PC(CRAP!) But you can put Windows on a Mac. Whats up with that? Anyway I think it's clear to see what I prefer................

 

Hmm lots of hate in the original post. People offer to help but instead this comment comes out. I wonder if the ban hammer will come out because I think this is nothing but flame bait.

 

Uh? A Mac is PC (personal computer).You can also run a illegally modified Mac OS on any modern windows based computer. I haven't heard anyone running MacOSX natively without any hardware addon or software modifications. It's legal to run Windows on a Mac computer but illegal to run Mac on a Windows computer. What's up with Apple?

I don't think you can run Windows natively on a Mac either. I think you'll need either bootcamp or virtual machine to be able to run Windows on a Mac computer.