What's good about a Mac?

compared to Thinkpads?

 

Well.. OSX is only designed for 1* type of PC to use, thus it'll be more stable and optimized on the Mac PC compared to Windows running on all types of hardware.

However, if you're a windows guy, you'll want to use a PC built specifically to run Windows. Macs suck at running windows, at least compared to thinkpads.

So depending on who you are, there might be a lot of no good things about Macs.

If you're a legal MAC OSX user, you'll need to use a Mac. Other than that, it's basically personal perference on the asthetic and your brand loyalty.

Some people rather sacrifice some performance in order to *gain* asthetic appeal, social status, or *ease of use*.

Hardware wise, generally Macs are usually a step behind regular PCs. They all use standard hardware though.

 

Try stepping on a Thinkpad and a Mac, see which one breaks first.
Try spilling your coffee on a Thinkpad and a Mac, see which one fails first.
Try dropping your Thinkpad from 1m and a Mac, see which one breaks first.
Try showing off your Thinkpad and your Mac to bimbos, and watch their reaction.
Try installing Ubuntu on a Thinkpad if you want a *NIX-like System

 

Really appreciate your quick response (you also appear to be very knowledgeable, from your picture ). I have the impression that the Macs are good in drawing graphs. How would you compare this feature of the Macs to the Tablet PC's?

weinter, thanks for your reply as well. I had a Thinkpad and liked it a lot, but never had a Mac. One reason I didn't buy a Mac was I heard it generates a lot of heat; Thinkpads seems cooler. Though I don't know if Apple has improved this aspect.

 

If I remember correctly Thinkpad had a special liquid pipe running through the hinge to transfer heat to dissipate it on the lid large surface area which is patented resulting in a cooler laptop while Macbooks dissipate heat by using the aluminum casing which is yet to be patented.
I actually want a Thinkpad but they are a bit expensive.
Also any laptop can draw graphs with the right program.

 

A heatpipe is not something patented by Lenovo lol. Nearly all laptops have heatpipes...

 

Well... if are an average joe drawing graphs, do not get a Mac. Get a tablet PC instead. E.g. HP TX2500 with walcom active digitizer + touch screen. You'll have a much better experience drawing your graphs.

If you're comparing with normal laptops against Macs in "drawing graph capability", I believe Windows will have a slight advantage.
1) More tablets supported. You can buy tablets for PC and use it on a lot of "drawing" softwares on a PC. Also, for the same amount of money, you'll usually get a faster computer, thus your drawing program will run faster. Though.. since laptops are generally too fast for casual users, that difference might not seem apparent to you.
2) Software wise, Windows supports more "drawing" programs. Many of the 3d drawing programs doesn't run on mac. So you're put at a severe disadvantage if you're using macOSX on a Mac. Also, running Windows on a mac isn't flawless thus... you might have some minor complaints/annoyance..etc when using Windows in bootcamp.

 

Um.. heatpipe to redirect heat from processor to the heatsink isn't patented by Lenovo, but redirecting heat from places such as palm rests or sensitive areas to e.g the screen is probably patented by Lenovo.

 

Show me the internals of such a Lenovo please. I have owned a number of Thinkpads and I dont remember any to have such a design.

 

It is a LIQUID HEAT PIPE that disspate heat through the lid
Read before sounding like a idiot.
All other laptops DO NOT have this.
Apparently you own great laptop and took it for granted.

Take a look at this does this look like it is for show?
I have see many laptop internals none except thinkpad look this complicated

 

Actually Macs don't "suck" for running Windows, but what this pretender know about Macs? He likely doesn't even have a decent Mac.

Heat is not an issue with any of the P series Core 2 chips. Read the reviews everywhere. The aluminum casing of the MBP doesn't get so hot that it cannot be touched.

All notebooks use active fan cooling with heatpipes. Some might do "more" with theirs than others, but essentially, the idea is similar. In any event, heat is a thing of the past with the new P chips.

 

I thought Macs are more expensive? (another reason I didn't buy a Mac)

 

1: about even
2; thinkpad wins by a decent margin
3: thinkpad lives 80% of the time MBP 50% and I'll stick with my pannies for dropping
4: who cares
5: why bother with Ubuntu if you want a nix environment get Solaris, AIX, LynxOS etc.

 

This could be a good one.

 

You tried playing 3D games on Mac using Windows?
They hit 85 degs I have seen people in forum complaining.
The reason is due to Thermal power not well design for Windows detection mainly Windows ACPI.
Mac uses EFI but Windows ACPI takes config info from BIOS DSDT.

 

Somebody ban this idiot, please. He is just trolling and has no business here.

Why would anyone want to spill coffee, drop, or step on a notebook?

 

Accident happens.

 

That is the roll cage, not for heat transfer. What you are referring to was never used by Lenovo. It was used in the IBM T20 and maybe others. It was patented in 2002 when Pentium4s were still used...

 

It is part of the hinge. The design is part of rollcage.

 

So basically, you're just a troll who is trying to feed the other two regular trollers here.

 

Anyone who says anything bad about macs is a troll ok noted.

 

Anyone who says anything stupid/irrelevant/idiotically insulting ALL the time about an entire company/product line is a troll, yes.

The above statement summarizes all that you do on this forum.

 

as for dropping laptops and feeding them coffee i do it regularly for demonstrations but NOT with Macs or Thinkpads. consumer grade laptops are NOT made for durability no matter what the manufacturers claim

 

Just look at the hinge in your picture. How much heat do you think will transfer through it? Again please show me a recent Lenovo that had this heat hinge. The rollcage was a Lenovo design from 2005 on. That heat hinge you are talking about is from 2002 and was never used by Lenovo.

 

That pipe design is about as antiquated as the 2" thick laptop.

...although pretty much all PC laptops are at least 1.5" thick at their thickest...unless you pay massive premiums for the "ultra-slim" models.

 

Lenovo simply took over whatever that was IBM design.
They didn't do anything.
Don't believe me take a couple of Thinkpads and run HWMonitor on it the CPU idles at 30 degrees in RTP.
You seldom hear Thinkpad overheating.
The only thing bad about Thinkpad is some people think they are ugly.
The rollcage dissipate heat

 

I never visited this forum before, not familiar with the regular trollers. I don't see anything wrong about my statement that I thought Macs cost more

I really didn't mean to start a fight or debate, just trying to get information. If anyone is an idiot in this topic, I am

 

Well DUH it dissipates heat. What doesn't. Mac's aluminum housing dissipates heat as well. Lenovo implemented the rollcage, so much for nothing. As for Lenovo never overheating just google "Thinkpad overheating". As for Thinkpads idling at 30C I dont know since I dont have one with me. But my desktop with a freaking huge cooler does not even idle at 30C.

 

Macs do cost more and there is no way to get around that point. You simply cannot get the same dollar value from a Mac as you can with any other system.

Macs are amusing though. For anyone who has been into PCs for any length of time, the demise of the Mac can be seen clearly and the mac Support group just seems to get smaller every day.

 

Desktop CPUs run much hotter.

Anyway, the lower end P Core2Dup CPUs can be in the low 30s at idle. Even my Sony FW (Radeon 3450 and P8400) idles at 35C...no Lenovo "special" heatpipe required

Stop trolling Mac forums, Weitner. Even though I don't own a Mac, I know that they have their purposes and can be great machines for certain users.

 

That is the temperature of a T400 of someone I know who reapplied AS5 to it.
Anyway I am tired if you want to know how low is the temperature go google and find reviews I am not going to do it for you.
Also Desktop TDP is higher than Mobile Processor of course it will never hit 30 degrees.
Try bumping up the performance see if the temperature start rising.
FYI I do not have a T400 although I love to have one so I can't do the experiment for you find some one in Thinkpad forums or Lenovo Forums here

 

I think the high price is the main reason the user base is getting smaller, if anything. In this economy, a nice looking design isn't worth 30%+ on price. I was sad when I saw the new 13" Macbook at $1499.99.

 

Um, wrong, some Macs cost more than PC counterparts, but some Macs like the higher end Mac Pro is cheaper.

It's ironic that a troll like you would slag Macs when your XPS is actually about the same price as a similar 13" MBP, but the MBP is much thinner and is made of solid aluminum, while yours is cheap plastic and thin sheets of metal glued together, running a Dell-bloated Windows OS.

FYI, the Mac market per dollar and OS user share are INCREASING. What planet have you been living on, troll?

 

I feel like the Macbook is getting more popular by the minute because of all the anti-PC advertisements

 

Sorry that only happens on Mars

 

What? Thats the price I saw when it was reviewed. Or are you surprised it's so high?

 

Microsoft is countering with laptop hunters ads.
And they are succeeding according to news just so you know.

 

This is what happens when you troll; you become so ignorant that you use horribly incorrect figures and numbers to "back up" your claims.

I think that some Macs are seriously overpriced, but I at least use the right MSRP to make such suggestions.

 

Sorry, troll, but you, like the other 5 trolls that you dragged in here with you are dead wrong and live on Micro$oft trollsville, where the facts are always amiss:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_13_macbook_pro_may_be_outpacing_supply.html

 

Anyways.. for those people who're wondering, there is a "special airflow design" which helps lower the temperature of critical areas on new generation of thinkpad. It's called Tailwind Thermal Design as said by Lenovo. It is effective and does infact brings places such as palm rest, touchpad to a cooler temperature. I think it's also patented.

Anyways.. I'm not here to troll. In my first post in this thread, I have stated both positive and negatives of both Macs and other PCs as well as macOSX and Windows.

And you know who I'm referring to: I have used Macs before. In my graphic design school (Vancouver Art Institute), I used Mac Pros with dual quadcores with 8GB of ram and of course running Mac OSX as well as final cut pro. I've also used apple PCs from Macbook to Macbook Pro. I just don't like the price premium that I'm paying for Macs and I disagree with some of Mac's designs. The mac just doesn't fit my needs/budget/style..etc. So stop calling me a troll. I do not troll here nor want to become a troll.

 

What is your business on the Mac forum anyway? I personally despise Linux, so I don't visit Linux forums. I have no reason to.

I might be in the market for a Mac in the future, so I'm checking out this board. Otherwise, I'd just get lost

BTW, I hope that you aren't talking to me because I didn't call you a troll who said that the 13" MBP was $1499, and that "the demise of the Mac" was clearly visible. LOL.

Sorry, to 4 or 5 trolls in this thread, Apple is here to stay, for better or for worse. In this major economic downturn, Apple reported 2.2 million Macs sold this quarter compared to 2.5 million last year --which is a total of only 12% drop off.

How are Sony, Dell, Asus, and Lenovo doing?

 

Im not a troll. That was the price as posted on the review. If it's changed, then I was unaware. Don't sit there and call a long time member like me a troll for no reason, or you'll be getting into trouble very soon. I know Im still correct about the general Apple pricing, it's at least 20-30% more for similar specs.

 

Same here. I joined NBR about the same time as you did.
edit: nvm.. you joined a year earlier than I did.

@a-roids - As a sound technician/video editor, I have to get used to Mac. I may not like it, but some of the equipments that the school use is Macintosh so I need to know how to use it.

 

I'd not tell another poster where he can and cannot post if I were you.

 

Well I guess this one needs closing too! Where is Sam when I need him?

 

Decision completely agreed! There are positives and negatives to Mac OS X, Windows, Windows PCs and Mac hardware...the argument/discussion could go on for years without conclusion .