Wanting to Buy MBP but is it coming out with i7 soon?

Hi I wanted to ask some mac users if they know or read any news of new upcoming macbook pros?

Does anyone know if mac is updating their top of the line MBP 15 and 17 models with new i7 processor chips or newer graphics???

The reason Im asking this is because I've sold my macbook for a dell laptop ( very stupid of me) and now I want to buy a mac but I know they update their computers every half a year or so, and I want to make sure I get the latest specs.

Currently there are about 4 PC companies that carry i7 in their 15-17 inch laptops... is mac coming out wiht i7 anytime soon?

Thanx

 

I think they are having to deal with the extra heat output from the i7s. Maybe a while buddy.

 

can you be more detailed in your info? Whose they??? Who is dealing with extra heat from i7? soo far dell, alienware, clevo, and hp have i7's that dont overheat and work fine.... And apple just upgraded iMac 27' with i7.... Im confused by your statement who is trying to deall with extra heat?

 

I'm curious. You don't own any Apple notebooks, and you seem to have a negative attitude towards Apple products. Why do you constantly post in these forums?

 

Although in this case, surfasb is probably right.

Don't worry too much, I'm keeping a very close eye on the Apple forums. And trolls don't get any mercy

 

I wouldn't think it is a stretch to say putting a quad core into a MBP is going to present design challenges. The i7 put out significantly more heat than the current Core 2 duos.

Dell, Alienware, and HP have been putting quadcores into their laptops for sometime.

Your 27" iMac is also, 27" with two fans. The MBP is 15". Significantly different design specs.

Just because I don't post every detail about myself, doesn't mean those details don't exist.

Ever heard of denying the antecedent?

 

I was just curious. Although I don't post often, I do observe these forums daily.

Alrighty then.

 

well that sucks then... I will have to wait until i7's hit MBP

PS: dont fight guys, we are here to help one another!

Thank you to everyone who tried to answer

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

It's not just comparing it with other machines such as the Alienwares, you have to consider the compromised thermal design of the MBP. Lots of people say 'aluminium is a good conductor of heat' when pointing at the MBP but they seem to fail to realise that there is actually no usefully direct contact between any of the major heat-producing components on a unibody and the case. In fact - if you did, Apple would be awash in lawsuits.

In reality the actual intent of the aluminium isn't about getting heat out in a meaningful sense. It's primarily in most temperate climes about getting heat in - i.e. the tactile experience of aluminium. What Apple do very, very well, more than anyone else in the computer market, is to flatter the half-learned expectations of your average consumer.

The way they approached that with the unibodies for example, I was lost in admiration at the marketing effort - because it works beautifully with the mentality of the target market for Macs while expanding mindshare. The engineering involved may be BS-over-function, but you have to admire how they snag people - it's down to giving your ego a little stroke every time.

The heat issue for the i7 won't be going away anytime soon and my guess is that to keep the thermals in line with the design philosophy, they're working on a new, gimmick-and-Rev.A-laden cooling system that will be designed to wow the credulous tech press again. There was an Apple patent filed a while back for transferring the heat into the lid for example, although that will make skin makers very unhappy

 

and you are saying this ...for what?

 

It's pretty obvious.

Heat first of all, and since I didn't feel like engaging in a longwinded response to the inevitable posts after that of 'aluminium dissipates heat, idiot' (if I hadn't put the above in, let's face it at least one guy would have posted), heading that off as comprehensively as possible.

 

Aren't the new i7 and i5 coming out in Q1 2010 supposed to be better in regards to producing less heat? I know they are miles faster then the current cpus apple uses, even with a lower clock frequency.

Also its not just the aluminum case (thats a major factor), its also the size of the case. Look at the dv7t from HP (1.37" (min H)/1.70" (max H)), it has far more room to dissipate heat compared to the 17" mbp (less then an inch tall).

 

Yes - but it'll still be an issue at the product levels that Apple likes to inhabit, since it'll still be higher at the high end. The low-end i's shouldn't be a problem in theory as they should have similar heat output as the current higher-performance C2D's.

A bigger case doesn't mean the components are any less packed. And as I said, it's not a major factor - it's just what average people assume. I didn't do the 'heading off' enough, did I?

 

I agree that the aluminum casing was implemented first and foremost for aesthetics and packaging. I would argue that a side benefit to using aluminum is that it does provide a path for heat to dissipate more readily than other insulative materials such as CFRP. This is the primary reason why the MBPs "feel" hotter than other notebooks of similar size and performance (excluding Apple's reluctance to allow the fans to make a peep). While the MBP radiates heat from multiple areas the CFRP models radiate primarily from the heatsink area since the CFRP effectively insulates the heat from the user and relies on the fan to draw the heat out.

I have a HP Envy 15" with the i7 and it gets hot. Much hotter than my MBP has ever been. The Envy has similar all metal construction to the MBP and it shows. Every surface of the machine gets quite warm to the touch even when sitting idle. Mind you the Envy has two fans for the CPU and one for the GPU and they are on constantly. I really can't see Apple using the i7 in its current state. Not only is it a heat producing monster it would turn the MBP's 7 hours of battery life into 2 hours of overheating fun.

 

The side benefit is basically an offset for the lack of any vents for the less-hot-but-still-heat-generating components. The choice came from the aesthetic decision. However you may well be surprised at how little difference CFRP et al would make in this respect, especially if we only had to cater for an Apple level of stability and reliability under load.

 

They = Apple. If you've noticed, Apple notebooks are always 1/2 as thick and crammed inside (for aesthetic purposes) than any PC notebook. You'll never get the same level of performance on Mac because that is what Apple is trading for design.

 

Honestly, why must you take every opportunity to bash Apple and everything they do? It's really humorous, yet sad at the same time that you continually feel the need to turn your nose up in the air and provide countless snide remarks. Please, get off your soapbox.

 

I don't. Beyond the dearth of worthwhile apps in many important niches, I don't mind OS X for example and I don't have any major issues with it as a platform. The hardware is however something else.

The iPod - while far from perfect and lagging behind some of the competition technically, I feel is a better compromise since the benefits of the integration are hugely superior for me and I don't want to make the effort that some other players need to get the level of integration for something as inconsequential as an MP3 player. The same to a lesser extent goes for the iPhone.

You love your Apple notebook / desktop. I get it. And I get *exactly* why you might pathologically love Apple in your situation. And the behaviour from the likes of many here - which goes way beyond the manufacturer loyalty present in other subforums - and what results from that, is maybe why I might appear curly-lipped from time to time. To them I would say: Be you less blindly fanboyish. Don't report as offensive, and insult me in private. Don't call me out for my insults, and post coded ones yourself. Don't accuse me of making stuff up, and then comment on things you know nothing about - because it makes you look dumb. Be less touchy, jeez... I'm not calling your mum out, it's a damned profitmaking company.

 

I thought there wsa supposed to be a update in Jan...

I have my doubts about i7's they produce alot of heat. that cooling system a 1 inch thick computer allows is limited. but maybe look at the Envy 15, 1inch i7 quad core and a HD4830! so it's possible.

hopefully apple can maintain it's currently excellent battery life.

 

There always is (in Jan), and Intel is due to roll out new i7/i5's - and it's pretty likely that Apple will be first on the bandwagon.

But I just don't see how they can run one of the top-end i7's in there (as historically, Apple has liked to do) without some beefed-up cooling, even - as I said before - for it to run at Apple levels of stability. As duffyaneal pointed out, Apple and loud fans on idle don't mix. And neither does actually using the aluminium chassis for heat dissipation - after the >50C-on-top-of-keyboard debacle of the 1st gen MBP's - work either.

Either they get very special Intel chips - which I suppose is, historically, also not out of the question - or they're working on additional cooling without an acoustic penalty (on idle, at least).

 

Cause it's the truth, and the truth hurts.

Well, it's a quadcore, not a faster duo core. While it may not produce twice the amount of heat, it will produce a signifiant amount at load. Significant enough to where any engineer would have doubts about the current cooling system.

I haven't look extensively at the Envy's cooling system, but the PC market has a far higher tolerance for a performance > preference design, giving OEMs room to work with.

No one is doubting the possibility of an quadcore in the MBP. They are just doubting the current design's ability to handling a quadcore.

 

Personally I'm very interested in what they roll out, i7-wise. I've built up a huge stockpile of Apple-support paraphenalia, outnumbering the bits & bobs I have for other makers, and one of the things I'm wondering is if despite all the aggros, it might make more financial sense to go all-Apple this time in terms of notebooks.

I'll need to buy spares, but I've now got the repairs turnaround down to a fine art - and I'll continue to need Apples regardless, so it's nothing I wouldn't be doing in any case. It's just that I'm now buying decent Windows machines, then buying Apples & spares - which is pretty taxing in terms of looking after all the disparate systems.

And with the only real replacement to my still everyday machine - the Sony SZ - still looking like the Z, given the slight falloff in Sony QC/case engineering and the continuing direness of support as of late I'm probably going to need spares for that. So if that's the case I might as well go with the devil I know.

Even if Apple does decide to roll out dual-core i7's instead, I think I might be tempted to call it a day, and throw in the towel. But as ever, I can only decide when they actually come out with it.

 

It may be the truth, but that part was totally unnecessary! this part

was and I totally agree with it, but the first is totally unnecessary and just started thread-unrelated not-so-pleasant argument!

Man, I don't understand you... you are grown up and quite rich person, yet you make such childish comments... you call everyone "blind fanboys" and give some example of what you like if someone "insults" you... Why do you care? if you have free time to make long posts like those in this thread, why don't you put your effort in helping people solve real problems?

 

Wow ppl all I did is ask a simple question... You dont need to cry about how well apple advertisement works... I asked about i7 not if they are making a new unibody....

Some ppl have to act like smart *****. WE all know that Apple has the best advertisement, and best looking laptops, and yes aluminum cases get a lil hotter than plastic cases due to the fact that aluminum conducts heat better than plastic... I still rather than an aluminum laptop that looks very simple and is put together with great style, so what it the case is a lil hotter, the main concern should be weather the inside is getting hotter.

SO if you cant answer the question: Is apple coming out with i7 in MBP models?

then dont write on this thread

 

apple has some decent hardware engineers, if HP can do it I'm sure apple will as well.

 

So sensitive.

I thought I did a good job of answering the question in my first post.

 

I will say yes but not for some time until the CPU heat generation is close to that of the C2D or a much better cooling system is developed for such a compact machine.

can I guess how long, no I can't

 

yeah, I am very sensitive and can be easily offended!

 

Im curious to see if they do come out with newest i5/i7 that are gona hit the market, like said b4 apple sometimes tends to get custom made processors like the ones in Air. Also I dont agree with some ppl who say apple concentrates on looks and less on performance due to small casing. Put it this way if they can put 3.06ghz intel core 2 duo with 9400m integrated, and 9600m Gt card, and have a beautiful looking machine, thats also very fast. I would buy those exact specs but it just seems that more OEMs are gona be putting in mobile i5's i7's and I wanted to know if mac would too.

As far as hp envy 15 with metal casing and i7 and ati 4830, some users say they get hotter than most notebooks, and some are ok, So it hasnt been a huge issue for HP, and the fact if HP can copy cat apple and make a working i7 in metal case, then Im sure apple can outdo HP with either some redesigns to their case, custom processors, better cooling, or who even knows.

PPL stop getting into engineeering facts, and statements.

My main reason for asking this is because I read some news/ or rumor on some website where they stated that apple is likely to hit the marker with new i5's and i7's in their MBP also possibly with ati instead of NVIDIA!

now the article did provide any info to back this up, and I just wanted to ask APPLE fans/users who probably stay current with apple news, if that was true or not.


I think its safe to close this thread before more fighting and crying starts

 

FYI there was no custom made processors for the air, they have used the CULV processors which have been found in some high end portables and the toughbook series for years. Intel just adjusted the BGA packaging some to make the package a little thinner.

and if Apple goes i5/i7 the will be forced to change their chipset away from Nvidia as Nvidia does not have licencing to make a chipset with the direct memory interface used in the 5/7 series. It will be a move to Intel chipset and possibly an intel GMA / ATI switching video combination.

 

That is not fast ... at all. PCs are running Quad Cores at 3.3ghz + with SLI GPUs that are nearly a generation ahead of the 9600. Honestly, what do people using Macs do that needs the kind of speed even the system in my sig, does - nothing... really. You can't even use an SSD properly.

But the trade-off is a sexy system. Physics dictate that you can't have everything, so it's either one or the other.

 

I know 9600 gt is old and 9400m is nothing special but, these arent gaming systems.... the only few laptops such as alienware and clevo, and current hp envy have better standards... but mac is not a gaming system so you have to really stop going into endless arguments.... and why do ppl need quad cores on a mac? anyone who edits HD videos, that are large in size will benefit from multiple threads, and since most people use macs, to make movies that you watch to edit tv shows, and thousands of internet videos... thats why it would help having a quad core,,, an i7 quad core, it would make it a faster experience.

 

Well, at least there are still some people who realize that MBPs aren't meant to be do-everything-perfectly machines.

Yeah, there's a hardware tradeoff for aesthetics. Why do people forget that all of the time? And besides, a recent-architecture C2D with nVidia's 9400 -- and who knows what come January -- is hardly a complete failure.

 

Make that five.

Cheers...

 

i have about 6 weeks left untill i have enough for my mbp15 fully configured! rite now iam looking at other alternatives...if there is no news about i5/i7 at least 1 week after i have enough iam still gonna get it. in electronics you have to say "when" or else youll always be waiting for the next one!

 

I think the real question is, will Apple come out with the dual-core i7 or the quad-core in their MBP lineup? If qc to actually be leading-edge, they will definitely need some additional cooling. if dc then the TDP's are pretty similar to what's out there right now - although the on-demand overclocking may take the highest-end models over the edge.

My bet, if they don't have a major case / cooling redesign, is the highest-end dual-core i7... crippled in the oc mode, which people will only find out after they've bought it, and bleat

@Alexsochi
You're forgetting one thing the Envy has that the MBP doesn't just for starters - working vents

 

Here's a solution... dump the optical disk... now there is a heap more room for a bigger better cooling solution and QC i5/i7.
done
a

 

It's possible I guess. I'd have issues on a mainstream machine without an optical drive though.

I put in as much as anyone else to be honest - my reps should be indicative of that.

And well, that's kind of the whole point of what I said earlier. I haven't been offended by anything that's been said or PM'd to me, on the contrary - I've sometimes had a good laugh. It's just the hypocrisy that amuses me.

Besides, they do say inside every old guy is a teenager wondering what the **** happened - I may be old but I might not be grown up

 

Sorry, it must be your elitist attitude that rubs myself and others the wrong way.

 

Funny that, isn't it, based on what I was saying about hypocrisy. Anyway - enough of this I think, more talk of i7's.

 

so much crying going on here. i am a proud alienware and Mac Pro 2009 owner. I do a large amount of work on computers so I try to keep up to date on whats going on. I just purchased my Alienware Laptop. I was going to get a MBP, but the core i-7 lacking is a large problem for me and what I do.

If you google or go to www.tomshardware.com you will find an article that APPLE has stated to all their Buyers that they can go ahead and purchase. There will be no update in the near future for the MBP line and buyers who buy now will not be outdated in 2009 holidays and Q1 and part of Q2 before an update releases.

Nobody here can predict what they will do. We can only go by previous patterns and sometimes those are not reliable. What we do know is what has been stated. If you can wait till May/June of 2010 you may see an update. I will assume that if you want a MBP with a core i-7 in there then you will be paying a large amount of $$$. It will probably only be an upgradeable part in the 15" and 17" and cost well over $1600.00. It will be nice to see a GPU upgrade and CPU upgrade from Apple, but I think and it seems they are more driven by their handheld devices and their new upcoming Tablet opposed to their laptop line (even though they did update the Macbook which had gone without update for a long time).

I hope that helps you in your decision. You can PM me if you would like to discuss anything.

 

Well I can say that I went from a MBP to a HP envy 15 and I am very happy.

There were a few things that made me pause before buying though. one of them was the lack of integrated optical drive (it ships with a usb drive that is actually very nice). After using it for a while i can easily say that the lack of a drive is not a problem at all. Most devices that connect via usb include drivers on the device or it is just better to download the updated version first anyway. Also most of the software that I buy is delivered via download so that too is not a big problem.

I did not realize how bad my MBP display was until I started using this one side by side. I always thought Macbooks had the best displays. I have even tested side by side with a brand new 17in MBP and found the same thing. Note that the subjective testing was done by two people (one of whom is a self proclaimed Apple fanboy) and we also did full ICC color calibrations to the extent the os/hardware would allow.

As for whether to by now or wait. that is totally up to you but there will always be something better coming so you can wait forever if you want to wait for the better part to arrive. (I hope this makes since I had to stop drinking coffe two days ago and wow does that impact my thinking).

I also like apples design fundementals (hence the envy) but the only MBP I owned has had battery issues since about the 1 year mark of ownership I am on my third battery and it also only holds about 2/3rds the charge. But like many other things I
think this is just the unit I have since I know plenty of other MBP owners that have not had this issue.

Good luck on your purchase.

John.

 

Yea Im aware well of Envy 15 specs, I was looking to buy it, I wish apple will come up with something like that.. I just hape all the BS that windows gives u, Im running win7 and its a bunch of erros and virus risks everyday, if windows wasnt a problem I would of bought envy 15 or all new alinenware m15x i7,, since I love the specs on both of those machines.....

As for now I'll have to see like,,, maybe I'll wait until june 2010 just to see what mac will put in their MBP lineup. I know they are concentrated on tablet pcs and all that but Im pretty sure they wont slack on their top of the line MBP models.

 

Got a link for this? Historically, it looks like you might be a little off.

 

Definitely. I think they only said there wouldn't be any major updates going into the holidays, which is historically accurate. There will almost certainly be a refresh in Jan-end.

I don't think Windows is the problem here.

 

Yeah, I got Windows machines without antivirus and they run just fine. Imagine that.

 

The battery life on the Envy 15 and the lukewarm reviews of the touchpad are what keep me from making the switch myself. Do you usually keep yours plugged in? I'm having a hard time going to a machine that weighs just over 7.7 lbs with the slice battery for a total runtime of about what an MBP 15" runs or thereabout, or such is my understanding.

Agreed with the previous post. Sounds like it's more a matter of how you're using your Windows 7 install -- not a flaw of Windows itself.

 

Being a long time user of both OS I love them both. They both serve different functions for me. If you think that OS X doesn't have it's own issues then you should read up a bit more. Both Operating Systems have their set of issues. Nothing is ever perfect. So with that being said get what you LIKE the most. Which ever that is.

Get the system that is most attractive to you and that is within your budget. At the end of the day it is you who are using it and you who are going to be the final judgement if you made a wise purchase.

Being the owner of both...and proud I can say in MY experience that the MBP is over priced for what you get. If you desire or need the OS then that is the deal sealer. However, if you don't care then look into your options. The MBP are very out dated in hardware and the only plus aside from OS and build quality is the battery life. If you are looking for a desktop replacement then I wouldn't spend the amount it requires from the MBP.

Always remember that you can install windows on the MBP if you are set on the laptop and want both worlds.

 

I would like to take the time and remind everyone of the forum rules. Infractions will be dealt if members continue not to abide by it.

 

I agree with you 100% Its up to the person who is buying it. I hate when ppl tell you your stupid for spending your money on this and not buying that. Im fully aware of notebooks out right now, and Im aware of osx and win7, I did own a macbook like I said and I liked using osx for 4 of those months, and I will only purchase a MBP if they will come out with i7 in early 2010 or mid 2010, if not then I will have to purchase a windows systems.

My main reson for wanting a mac is that I would use OSX for most part, and rarely when needed to run windows I would dual boot into windows to run those apps that osx doesnt carry! End of discussion. This thread has gotten off topic.