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    Switching from a thinkpad to a mbp. Difficult?

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by varman, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    I am a traditional thinkpad user. I am using the x200 right now and I am looking to upgrade to either the x220 or the macbook pro 13.

    I took the macbook pro for a test drive in of the apple shops and the thing that bothered me the most was the one button trackpad and keyboard. I use the dedicated page up/down buttons for scrolling rather than doing a two finger gesture on the trackpad. Other missing features are a middle mouse button for closing tabs, a right mouse button and a dedicated delete and backspace key. I also made the switch from trackpad to trackpoint 2 years ago and I never looked back. After using the mbp trackpad, I was still leaning towards the trackpoint. Everything I had to do with the trackpad such as moving the cursor and clicking at the same time, scrolling, or right clicking with 2 fingers was very very inefficient and uncomfortable in the 30min that I was using the mbp. I was wondering if I would ever get used to the mbp keyboard and trackpad after using the thinkpad keyboard and trackpoint for a long time. 90% I use my laptop with one hand unless I need to do some serious typing.

    That is my main concern when I compare the two notebooks together. But I also the higher resolution and IPS screen of the x220 compared to screen of the mbp, as well as weight. Will the lower resolution really be a problem? I have already listed all the pros and cons of each notebook. My head says the x220 is the better of the two, because it has the better screen, lighter, more durable, better battery life, probably better specs for the same price. My heart says macbook pro because it is the most popular of the two, its made from aluminum and its "something new". OS is a moot point because I will probably using a linux distro anyway.
     
  2. HLdan

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    You haven't listed any pro's of the Macbook Pro. You've done exactly the opposite, a laundry list full of cons. All you've said is it's "popular and aluminum". What is that suppose to mean? You have however listed everything you love about the new Thinkpad and not one con about it. Just buy the new Thinkpad. You have to be more open to a Mac rather than listing a bunch of cons about it and then asking the Mac forum if you should buy it? The answer IMO is no.

    Do some more research about Macs in general. Buying something because it's more popular is nonsense.
     
  3. finduz

    finduz Notebook Enthusiast

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    The MBP has 1440x900 vs. X220 with 1366x768. (Nevermind this, MBP has 1280x800)
    Macbooks are the few remaining computers with 16:10 screen, wich is a big plus for me atleast,
    who use the computer for other things than watching movies. (Though non-glossy screen of X220 almost evens it out)

    You'll probably get use to the right clicking, but if you're planning on using Windows, it can be annoying.

    As for the page up and down, doesn't space (up = shift + space) work most of the time?
    I find that much easier, as I already have my left hand around the alt+tab, WASD and thumb on touch pad.
     
  4. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    No the aluminum is definitely not a con and is one of the major selling points for me. I don't like plastic and the x220 is still mainly made plastic. It does not matter how strong, economic or durable the plastic is or what fancy name they gave it. I would choice aluminum over plastic given the exact same notebook for the exact same price. I know from experience that the joy of using something and the user experience can not be expressed in figures or numbers and would for me always win over pure hardware specs. But I also buy a notebook for its functionality.

    And with being more popular I just mean that if alot of people buy macbooks then you cant go wrong either. And being more popular than thinkpads makes me doubt my own reasoning too. Also if I am using linux right now then I am pretty sure that I am open for anything. The "something new" argument is exactly what you are referring too.

    I think all of them are pretty valid arguments. Looking at the hardware then of course I firmly believe that the x220 is the better of the two. But it is not always the hardware specs that matters



    I could be wrong but I think the mbp 13 still has a resolution of 1280x800. That is the same resolution I have right now on my x200 on a smaller screen.

    Could you operate the trackpad just with your left thumb? Do you have to move your left hand a lot or none at all?
     
  5. HLdan

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    Okay so I stand corrected, you mentioned "one" pro of the Macbook Pro (no pun intended), being aluminum. However that's not going to increase your productivity. You said you prefer the Trackpoint, you hate everything about the Macbook Pro's trackpad. You hate the screen compared to the Thinkpad's. You hate the keyboard compared to the Thinkpad's along with several other things.

    Can you honestly say to yourself without a chuckle that if something is "popular" and everyone else is using it that you can't go wrong?? Really? A LOT of people use Windows for a number of reasons. Did I decide to go the Windows way because everyone else is using it? No. I use what "works" for me and you should too. You've listed way too many things the MBP doesn't have that you need. So what the Thinkpad is plastic, so far you haven't sounded unhappy about it. In fact you're considering the latest model despite of it being plastic. I say go for it. IMO you'll just end up returning the Macbook Pro.

    You have to be open to a lot more of the Apple computers besides popularity and and a metal enclosure. Even though you see it that way, these aspects haven't brought over a lot of the PC crowd.

    A lot of the way the Mac is designed is for it's own OS, not for any other. A PC is just another PC to Linux which is why more people will install Linux on a Windows machine. It's extremely redundant to run Linux on a Mac.
     
  6. finduz

    finduz Notebook Enthusiast

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    Damn, it seems that I've misread somewhere. I've been looking at the MBA for a while
    which has that resolution so I presumed the MBP did too. Sorry about that.
    For me, the screen is one of the most important things, so I think I would've ended up with the Lenovo out of these two.

    About the left hand touchpad use, I can't tell much about the MBP as I don't have it myself.
    But on the laptops I use (12-15,4") it's not a problem. And isn't the MBP touchpad quite large?
    It will probably work on that too, but you should test it yourself.
     
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    Didn't Lenovo switch over to Titanium and then Magnesium alloy years ago?
     
  8. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    I don't know if the trackpad is just a matter of getting used to it or not. I dont know if it is just a matter of using an alternate strategy than what I am used to. For example how do you quickly close tabs or other things without a middle mouse button? Is there a quick gesture or finger/touchpad combination for that without using two hands? Do you think scrolling with 2 fingers on the trackpad is more comfortable then using page up/down buttons? Is the missing delete key annoying?

    I just want to know how some of the mac users deal with the things I just mentioned.

    The base is made from magnesium alloy. The things you touch and see however such as the lid, palm rest, keyboard are all made of plastic. Very solid but still plastic and when the base gets warm (it WILL get warm) it feels just like plastic to my skin. The outside of the lid has a nice soft feel and look but aluminum is still nicer.
     
  9. HLdan

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    Ah, now see if you had started your thread with these sort of questions in mind rather than listing everything about the MBP that "seems" to be wrong with it I could've easily addressed your concerns.

    Closing tabs is extremely easy. The trackpad is not the number one way to do that. Command + W closes tabs or whole windows. Command + Q quits the whole application all windows. This requires two fingers only and the keys are comfortably close together.

    2 finger scrolling is so easy which is why some other PC manufacturers are implementing it into their notebooks. You can control the speed as well and it's an inertia scroll like the iPhone rather than the traditional scroll. Scrolling with one finger on the side of the trackpad is actually more cumbersome and using the page up and down keys doesn't give you a continuous smooth scroll, it's in increments.

    You're asking how Mac users "deal" with the issues you have? We're not using a Windows machine. A Windows keyboard is designed with Windows in mind. If you use a Mac for long time (as you have a Windows PC) then jump back on a Windows machine you'll wonder why does the keyboard on a PC seem so retarded?
    For the most part most Mac users aren't missing anything using a Mac, it's just done differently.

    You said you're not going to run Mac OS X, but rather Linux? Why? It's redundant. Also I can't guarantee you that you're going to get the same experience with the key combos and trackpad as I mentioned if you run Linux. I don't know how drivers work on a Mac using Linux. Maybe someone can chime in but I will say this, in the PC world it makes sense to install Linux. In the Mac world it doesn't. They are both .NIX systems and a Mac can run Linux software.
     
  10. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    I dont want to sound like a fanboy but command+w closes only highlighted tabs but not tabs that you specify by moving your cursor over it and then clicking the middle mouse button. So I would still need to move the cursor over to that tab that I want to close, click the mouse button once and then move my hand over to the command+w buttons and press them simultaneously.

    The way I am operating the thinkpad now is that I'd never have to move my left hand at all and only once in a while do I need to bring my right hand over to press the page down or up/down buttons. Or I could use the left hand as well but then I'd have to abandon the trackpoint and mouse buttons. I rarely need to use the mouse and page up/down, regular up/down buttons simultaneously though. So neither is a real problem.I am really talking about my left hand here but I actually alternate between both hands when operating the trackpoint. The only time I am using two hands is when I am typing long sentences.

    Btw I want to use linux because os x and windows come with a lot of bloat that I dont need and I can configure the desktop in linux exactly the way I want to. I am aware that I might get problems with the multi touchpad though. If that is the case then I will switch to os x. Well despite all of this I am still leaning towards the mbp because I also dont have to order one on the internet. I do if I go for the x220.
     
  11. kornchild2002

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    I don't recommend buying Apple hardware if you don't want their software. The physical design of the MBP is only half the equation as Mac OS X makes up the remaining half. Apple hardware has always been about running Apple software whether we are talking about their computers, iPhone, iPods, or iPad. There are plenty of less expensive options that have very similar build quality that can run Windows or Linux better than a MBP. Apple has very bad driver support in Windows and Linux will rely solely on built-in drivers and those from 3rd parties/developers.

    The trackpad is pretty bad in Windows so that experience is only going to decline in Linux. The MBP/MBA trackpad is absolutely great in OS X, I would not even trade it in for a traditional mouse. Apple has solid drivers for their hardware under OS X and even introduced many different trackpad motions. Those are only going to increase with the release of OS X Lion here in a few months.

    Either way, you should not buy any Mac unless you plan on running OS X as your primary OS. I know there are some people who will disagree with this but the majority won't and that statement has always been a rule of thumb when buying Macs to begin with. Having the ability to run other operating systems is not a primary feature, it is something that can be used when you are in a situation where it is required. Otherwise, the majority of computing should take place in OS X. You would be spending a lot for sub-par support (due to bad drivers) just to get something made of unibody aluminum.
     
  12. HLdan

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    If you already knew how to close tabs on a Mac then why did you ask how?
    Stick with the Thinkpad. You keep giving it props for what it can do and you keep shooting down the Macbook for what it can't. Do you honestly think it makes sense to buy a Mac?

    Edit: I take it all back. Buy the Macbook. You want to be part of the popular crowd. :p
     
  13. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    You told me about a command that can be used for windows and linux machines too. I didn't ask for that. I asked for how to do things efficiently on a mac keyboard/trackpad when I am used to doing certain things the thinkpad. So do you agree then that the thinkpad is more efficient, faster, comfortabler in everyway because of its keyboard/trackpoint? Because you have not given me an alternative to the right mouse button, middle mouse button, delete key and one handed stationary operation.

    It does not make sense to buy a mac? It does not make sense for me to buy cotton bedsheets when I can get synthetic sheets for 1/10 of the price or stainless steel spoons when I can get use plastic ones either.
     
  14. HLdan

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    Take a look at your post I quoted in red. You specifically asked how to close tabs quickly with one hand. That's all you asked. Did you not? :p

    There's no "COMMAND" key on a PC notebook so I did not tell you of any key command that is the same on a PC. :rolleyes:

    Aside from that silly comment at the end about the bedsheets, I already answered your question in my first post and that answer was get the new Thinkpad and no you shouldn't get a Mac.
    And why would you be asking me if I "agree" with you that it's more efficient using a Thinkpad over the Macbook? Why would I? I'm not having a problem with how I use my Macs. I even have PC's in my office and I actually am more efficient on the Mac. Aren't you here asking us if you should get the Macbook?

    Hmm, honestly man, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're trolling and trying to spark up some flames here just by the tone of your posts alone. Just so you know, I come here to help people, not to deal with the PC trolling. If people really want help with buying a Mac they will ask for help humbly, not spark up debates that end in flaming.

    This will be my final post and I hope everyone else doesn't unfortunately get caught up on what you appear to be doing. :rolleyes:
     
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    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    I ditched a PC for mac about 6 months ago (at least on the mobile area), that included a T500 (an awful cheap POS). I'm sorry but current Thinkpads don't deserve the Thinkpad name Lenovo has disgraced the Thinkpad name. Oh and the Macbook's screen will more thank likely outclass any Thinkpad screen in your price range... the T500 I had and my work issued T400 both have awful screens... at best they are awful...

    compromise? look at HP's Elitebook line? they are made of AL and are by far stronger than current Thinkpads, they have Pg up/Down and a have a trackpoint as well (tho not as good as the Thinkpad one), I believe (most) or all Elitebooks come standard with 3 year warranties.
     
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    I'm switching from a thinkpad to a Macbook from May 2010. I can't wait. It's a t61p and I believe one of the first Lenovo's made. I also bought another Thinkpad inbetween but returned it b/c it didn't meet my standards of quality. Though Macs cost more, I'm willing to pay for quality. I bet most people on these forums are in front of their computers at least a third of their day.
     
  17. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    honestly a current Thinkpad can probably take as much or maybe even more of a beating than a mac... but the mac only feels stronger than the thinkpad, it isn't, if you open a mac you will see the AL is pretty thin.

    but Thinkpads are no longer what they used to be, crappy screens, degrading QQ, and customer service from ****.

    try the HP Elitebook seriously they are very well built (far better than Thinkpad). I have an Elitebook 8530p, and the only reason I got the mac was because of OSX not because I didn't like my Elitebook... infect the Elitebook is tougher than the mac and the screen is amazing compared to the mac.

    this maybe of more interest to you: http://h20386.www2.hp.com/CanadaStore/Product.aspx?pdetail=P160117

    this one only has a 1 year warranty, but some of the more expensive model have longer and of course can be extended.
     
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    I have a x200 tablet, my IPS screen outclass any mac I see in my uni, my screen is much brighter, the view angle is much better.
     
  19. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    yah, my T500 and T400 was brighter... but only because the backlight bleed was so bad that bottom inch of the screen is useless. and Contrast was total crap.

    I may not have as good viewing angles but personally who cares only 1 person is view my screen at a time (me) and it's more than good enough for that.

    while there are exceptions, in the Thinkpad, as a whole there not great.
     
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    Yuio: I don't why you are attacking Thinkpad's build quality. Thinkpad's build quality is the gold standard in the computing industry. Just read review on the X220.
     
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    All i have to say... is the touchpad, trackpoint stuff is all about your personal preference. if it works good for you, then its better. Myself, i cannot stand trackpoints, and would never buy a machine with one. I also have seen very few laptops that have a touchpad i can stand either, but Macs are great.

    ! finger tap is a left click, and two finger tap is a right click... you don't need to do the full click just to tap, but a two finger click is also a right click. If you do not like that you can set up corners that if your finger taps or clicks there its a right click. You also shouldn't try to move the mouse pointer and click with the same finger. Just pretend the bottom quarter of the touchpad is the button, and use a separate finger to click than you use to move. I think it just takes some figuring out, or someone showing you how to do it. After getting used to a apple trackpad, I really cannot stand most other pointing devices. Even on a desktop i prefer using a Magic touchpad... it will of course always vary from person to person, no matter how much you get used to something... everyone is different.

    How to I click to quit tabs that i decide I don't want to look at anymore... I just move the mouse over them and do a normal left click on the X that closes them :p
     
  22. varman

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    Are you using the mbp with one hand or do you permanently have to use two hands? Do you think that a left handed person can operate the trackpad effectively with just one hand with no help of the other hand whatsoever? Can you map the corners to do anything like to function as the middle mouse button or any other command?

    You are right about not moving the mouse and clicking. I kept making the same mistake over and over again of moving the mouse while simultaneously clicking and then it jumps to somewhere else.
     
  23. Malifiss

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    In OS X, yes, you can do all that.

    HOWEVER

    All this is a moot point, since it will depend entirely on whatever Linux distro and drivers you choose to muck up your Mac with. The capabilities of the track pad are dependent upon the drivers installed, and the native OS X drivers will likely be light years ahead of whatever reverse-engineered garbage is available in a Linux. Why anyone would want to use a ized OS like Linux instead of a full-fledged Unix is beyond me, but that's another discussion in and of itself.
     
  24. Mackan

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    The trackpad on the MBPs is the best you'll find among laptops. No PC laptop maker out there bother with doing research or good design on trackpads, they just ship the same garbage year after year making the laptop almost unusable without an external mouse. You won't have that feeling with the MBP trackpad.

    Chance is high that you'll get used to this trackpad, and the excellent multitouch gestures and 2 finger scrolling that exists. You can assign actions to the corners of the screen, enabling fantastic use of exposé (window management), for example. However, this is only in OS X. Apple does not bother with giving you a good trackpad driver in Windows. In fact, running Windows on Macs will cause severe annoyance (as Apple has planned).

    OS X, while excellent, can be a bit boring to me though. Everything is so simplified, and there is no theming. Things are exactly like Apple wants it to be, and you got to accept it. Some people don't. Choice is always good. Apple doesn't give you much of that.
     
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    Mackan makes a good point. If you are going to stay on OSX, then it is a matter of getting past the learning curve. But if you need to do stuff in Windows, then the Mac can get annoying. The mouse does not work well, so you will need an external mouse, the batter life is shorter, and MBP runs hotter. Also, I have had some trouble with Bootcamp stability, but that may just be my bad luck. Also, keep in mind that there is a fair amount of software which does not run on a Mac and many older video clips off the internet won't run or won't run well either.
     
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    Audio and video format compatibility is not an issue under OS X especially with VLC as it is the same experience as the Windows version.
     
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    I'm left handed, and the track pad easy and a joy to use with only 1 hand.
    seriously if you wan AL look at the Elitebook.

    Maybe Lenovo improved the X220 I can't speak to that. , but the T400/410 T500/T510 W500/W510 (base screen). All have POS screens, and the W510 is only marginally better than than the T's. at work our entire team was issued T400's and a W510. All the Thinkpads on our team are identical screens (T400 with 1440x900 LED) and they suck. maybe Lenovo finally built a real "Thinkpad" X220, hence the gold standard. but the T series is NOT a gold standard select consumer machines (Dell and HP) feel stronger than the T series. even the W510 that I've seen wasn't very impressive.

    on a different note, the T400 got great reviews too... Why am I so hard on Lenovo, because from my experience they trout "Business-class" and fail to deliver. If they were marketing as regular consumer class I wouldn't have issue with them.

    have you ever used a HP or Dell business machine?

    Edit: I just looked at a screen shot of a X220 screen and I will agree it looks good, so in terms of screen quality and can say the X220 looks good.
     
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    X220 w/IPS is not as good as the Elitebooks with 10 bit IPS Dreamcolor panels,but better than all the TN screns ive used.
     
  29. HLdan

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    Guys please read the OP's OP? He's not going to run either Windows or OS X, he claims OS X is too bloated. He's going to run Linux (so he says). If he's really going to run Linux then it's a moot point to talk about the MBP's trackpad and keyboard. Drivers for Linux may not even work with most of the features.

    Plus, I've told him more than once that it's redundant to run Linux on a Mac and he's ignoring that. Guys, don't get caught up in to this thread. Don't feed the...

    Also he "appears" to be trolling. He's trashed the MBP in his OP and tried to get me to agree with him that the Thinkpad's keyboard, screen and trackpoint are significantly better for half the price. Don't play into this anymore.
     
  30. varman

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    I meant that the OS itself is a moot point. I am pretty comfortable with all OS's. I prefer my current linux distro to OS X and Windows 7 if everything is working properly but otherwise I wouldn't be a problem at all to use windows 7 or os x. So I just wanted to take that out of the equation.

    I said that the thinkpad has a higher resolution (1366 x 768 vs 1,280 × 800) and more PPI (smaller screen vs 13 inch). It is also an IPS which is considered to be better. Then I said that the I could configure an x220 with a better CPU and the IPS screen (without discount coups) for less than a macbook pro 13 (with student discount). And indeed if you would go to lenovo's outlet you can see this yourself. I also said that the x220 has better battery life. This is confirmed by various reviews and officially stated by apple and lenovo. It is also lighter than the macbook pro 13.

    I am sorry but these are all just facts. You can verify them yourself if you don't believe me. Anyway it would be a lot more hassle to buy the thinkpad instead of the mbp which I can just buy in a shop around the corner with student discount.

    I have never thought of the elitebook. I never seen them in stores either. How is the screen compared to apple and the x220? How is the look and feel?
     
  31. yuio

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    I like the look and feel, it's almost like a hybrid between the flasher apple and business look of the Thinkpad. the screens on them are definitely above average. My 8530p's screen is far better than my mac's and it's anti glare as well. hard for me to compare with the X220, (don't own a x220), but by judging the picture, the contrast is very similar and so is color reproduction. if you have a lot of money and get an Elitebook with a Dreamcolor 10-IPS... well it's the best on the market. Also the 8530p was released about 2 years ago... so may not be to fair of a comparison...

    you won't find them in stores (well maybe at office depot) they tend to be online only.

    not sure if this fits your ideal solution but take a look:
    http://h20386.www2.hp.com/CanadaStore/Product.aspx?hpproduct=XT931UT#ABA

    (should be cheaper in the US)
     
  32. HLdan

    HLdan Notebook Virtuoso

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    The more you post, the more you appear to be trolling. I'll report this to the moderators. We're used to it over here. This has nothing to do with "facts". The people here that are using Macs are not having a problem, YOU ARE. You act like we're all going to say, "Well the Lenovo is much better, silly me, guess I'll sell my MBP and go get a Thinkpad, thanks to Varman". :rolleyes:

    You've already convinced yourself that the Thinkpad is better. Are you reading your own posts? You're pointing out reviews online that show the Thinkpad's screen, battery life and everything else is better. So why are you even here?? :p

    I guess I should expect this from someone who says they may consider a Mac because it's more "popular". Sounds like you came here to make fun of the Mac forum.
    I already know who and what I am dealing with and I said earlier I wasn't going to post any further but I am going to bring awareness to others that aren't reading the earlier posts.
     
  33. varman

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    I made this topic because I am interested in buying a macbook pro. I took it for a test drive in the stores and during that test drive I had a few issues with some things.

    I opened this topic because I wanted to know how mac users deal with these issues. My main issue was the keyboard and trackpad. But now I am also wondering about the screen resolution and weight. Those 3 things are right now my main concern. Everything else is irrelevant. I want to have an answer to these questions before I buy a macbook or not. If the solutions seems reasonable then I most likely buy a macbook.

    Btw I think I said a million times that I really like the aluminum chassis and it is not always the hardware specs that count. Its a post-pc era. The aluminum chassis is probably the only reason but it is one of the biggest reasons for me to consider it. Another reason is of course how productive and functional the laptop is.

    Now if you can just answer these issues that I have right now or point out the flaws in my reasoning or disagree with the facts then that will be helpful.
     
  34. HLdan

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    Your first line I highlighted, your previous posts tell otherwise.

    Your questions and concerns about everything (except for weight which should be the last of anyone's concerns) have been answered by me and several other forum members here. These "issues" you speak of are not the issues of Mac users, those are what you perceive as "issues" because you're used to one system, Windows. I could say the same thing if I came over to the Windows forum and asked them how they deal with the issues of using poor trackpads, crappy screens, crappy keyboards, poorer build quality.....then tell them I'm interested in buying a PC. They'll think I'm crazy. Most everyone here has given you great responses as to why a Macbook is a good choice for many. In fact they've given reasons why the Lenovo is not a good choice. You've tried to rebuttal their reasons against Lenovo and coming up with more challenges for people to combat in regards to the MBP such as how you'll use it with your left hand. :rolleyes:.

    While the build quality is very good, only the body is aluminum and it dents so if you think you going for a Mac is going to get you a machine that's resilient to wear and tear, you're wrong.

    Get your Thinkpad, it seems to address all your needs anyway. Why are you trying to make people convince you here to get a Mac?
     
  35. doh123

    doh123 Without ME its just AWESO

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    because its a very subjective topic, these "issues" are personal issues you have, so it may be unlikely anyone will agree that they are even issues that needs to be dealt with. No one will be able to give you a satisfactory answer more than likely due to the issues you list being very subjective.
     
  36. ajreynol

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    varman, most of the things that you'd consider issues are simply things that you'll learn how to do a different way.

    If you installed Linux on your PC laptop, would you uninstall it because you can run .exe files on it? Because the Terminal doesn't behave like a Command Prompt? Because right-clicking doesn't bring up the same options it gives you in Windows? No, that'd be silly. You understand that things are done differently in Linux...and if you installed it, you've committed to learning how to do things the Linux way.

    Same with OS X. Once you learn how to do things they way OS X is set up to do them, you'll do things just as fast as you do on your ThinkPad. And in the case of the trackpad, yes...once you get used to it...then once you start to take advantage of its extensible features, you'll never want to use another trackpad again.

    If you expect someone to be able to explain to you that the experience will be a fine one should you decide to go for it, we probably can't. Some things have to be experienced and adapted to over a period of time before you can "get it"; before you can realize that your concerns weren't really something to be concerned about. If you don't want to believe us or would rather not take the risk or the time to learn a new OS...then get the ThinkPad. Or better yet, get the Elitebook (provided its quality has improved with the 2011's).
     
  37. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    What about weight issues and size? How easily can I move it around for example when I need to go to the toilet and want to do some work there or when I am on my sofa
     
  38. kornchild2002

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    That is all a personal preference. Only you can determine what you can easily lift up, move, and use when you are on the crapper (which is a bad habit). Apple posts the dimensions and weights for every portable Mac they make. Look those up and determine that aspect for yourself as people have different preferences. For example, my personal limit is about 3.5 lbs when I am carrying a computer in a full backpack while on campus. I just don't want to carry anything heavier especially on a campus that makes me walk miles a day to get to my classes going uphill and downhill.

    Others are fine with 5 lbs or more. It is all up to you.
     
  39. Soloman

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    Last time I picked up a Think Pad while running to the toilet I got a hernia.

    Damn thing weighs a ton.

    Had to change cushions in sofa 40x because of the weight of it.

    Last time I dropped it, it fell right through the floor into my downstairs neighbors apartment.

    I also took it into shower broke floor when it slipped out of my soapy hands.

    Damn Think Pad!!
     
  40. Malifiss

    Malifiss Notebook Guru

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    Ok...either you are a very, very strange person, or this is one of the most elaborate troll attempts I've ever seen.

    It's a LAPTOP! Don't you have a laptop now? Yes, you do. Go sit on the toilet with it. Try to type. Move the cursor around with the trackpad. Now...using a MBP on the toilet? Guess what? It'll be sorta just like that! Know why? Because using one laptop while taking a dump will be essentially like using every laptop while taking a dump! Writing a blog entry on your Lenova, while nude skydiving over the Alps during January will be roughly similar to doing all that with a MBP as well.

    Got any more bizarre scenarios you want to toss out there?
     
  41. doh123

    doh123 Without ME its just AWESO

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    get a Lapdawg X4 for the toilet... its great for the bed and desk and other things, but you can stand it up off the floor at a great height to work on the toilet too :)
     
  42. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    I'm not a phycologist... but I do know that from time to time a normal human needs relax once and a while... perhaps taking you work with you to the can is a little over kill... I can just imagine my team members ping me on our work chat client asking where I was...



    for your own sanity... take a dumper in peace.
     
  43. varman

    varman Notebook Geek

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    Ok I am nearing my conclusion. I am now almost 95% sure that I will order a macbook pro tomorrow.

    Oh btw I use my laptop in the most bizarre positions. Lying flat on my bed with the laptop on my chest and my head slightly titled by a pillow. Lying on my side on the sofa with the laptop resting on an arm rest. On the toilet balancing it with one hand on my knee. In bed while lying on my belly. On a sofa while my upper body makes a 90 degree angle with my legs. On a sofa while my upper limbs make a 90 degree angle with my lower limbs while the laptops screen is opened at a 180 degree angle and resting on my thighs and stomach (I know this is impossible to do with a mbp).

    I bring my laptop to the toilet sometimes because taking a dump is really one of the most boring things in life.
     
  44. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    1. You need to find something else to do than constantly be on the computer. (a girl/guy would probably be not a bad idea lol). jk.

    2.
    eat more veggies and get it over quicker...

    3. I think you will grow used to the MBP. just be ready for change, PC and macs do things differently, not necessarily better or worst just different.


    4. in any case, the Apple trackpad is second to none, there is very very few who disagree with this statement. I don't think you'll have trouble with it once you get the hang of it. 2 finger scroll = WIN.
     
  45. doh123

    doh123 Without ME its just AWESO

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    sound like a lapdawg is for you... I can lay almost completely flat back in bed and have hulu/netflix/whateverr on my 17" screen still right in front of my face :)
     
  46. MidnightSun

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    Okay... as this thread has long ago run its course and is heading towards some disturbing places, it's now locked.