Regret upgrading to Lion

I actually might consider downgrading to Snow Leopard if I wouldn't feel like I wasted 30 bucks.

Anyways, is there ANY WAY to bring back the OLD EXPOSE from Snow Leopard into Lion?

ANY WAY AT ALL?

 

You have Mission Control and Single App Expose.. but not a full Expose for all running apps... I wish there was a way.

 

I'm sorry the OP feels that way. Lion is actually an amazing OS with a lot going for it and it certainly runs faster on my systems. Change is good, sometimes we need to grasp it. I'm sure Mission Control will blend in with whatever future things Apple has in mind and it will all make sense later on. I wasn't sure about Expose when it was first intro'd in Panther and now look how popular it got, and let's all be honest about it, I'm willing to bet that nobody here could find 10 of their friends with Snow Leopard Macs that even knew Spaces existed. I think Mission Control was needed to get more people finally using it. I actually like the new implementation better than the old Snow Leopard way.

 

Mission control is decent for what it is but it tries to combine two things and makes it more complicated.

Now, I don't mind that Mission Control is there, but I would rather have the ability to just look at the expose windows and not my desktops. Is that too hard to ask?

Here's my ideal situation

4 finger swipe up = Mission Control
4 finger swipe down = old Expose
3 finger swipe up = launchpad

 

while mission control might be better for Spaces and fullscreen apps, its much worse for seeing open windows. If you have a lot of windows open in a single app, you simply cannot see them all in Mission Control... you have to just use mission control to switch to the app, then use single app expose to see the windows.

 

I just wish .1 would come out already and fix whatever is causing battery issues. Tried reformatting, resetting smc, pram, doing the battery dance etc...

 

Have you tried human or animal sacrifice to the battery gods? They are most likely angry and demand sacrifice.

 

Today's your lucky day! Apple pushed out 10.7.1 a short while ago for Lion: Lion 10.7.1 lands, packs plenty of bug fixes -- Engadget

 

I'm going to hold off on upgrading until they come up with an equivalent of Snow Leopard Expose (or something that's a step forward instead of a step back for the way I use my machine). I frequently am in a situation where I'm switching between a half-dozen or more windows from two applications (Word and Firefox). Neither Mission Control nor single-app Expose is going to work as well as the old Expose for that. And none of the systems are as good as a Windows taskbar where each open window has its own tab, and one click moves you from window to window. I was hoping for something with functionality equivalent to the taskbar (even if it doesn't look remotely the same), not something that was a step backward from Snow Leopard Expose.

 

Good thing we all are entitled to an opinion because IMO the Windows Task Bar seems too basic, amateurish and overrated and there's nothing about it that I find increases my productivity over Snow Leopard or Lion's Dock or Mission Control. Lion's new feature enhancements have definitely increased my productivity and I use my Macs to run my business. I have a W7 computer in my office and when comparing to Snow Leopard and Lion, Microsoft has work to do in W8 to catch up.

 

Why do you feel the respond to my post by pointing out that it's just my opinion? Of course it's my opinion. Just like your post is your opinion and every other person's post is their opinion. I refer to myself four times and other users zero times in that post...what else do I need to do to make clear that that post is MY opinion?

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - YouTube

 

fight fight fight ~ !

 

...says the one with the big sharp sword.

 

You need to seriously calm down. You sound like you work for Microsoft with that highly defensive post and it seem to bother you that I had something negative to say about Windows 7. Regardless what I wrote, I never mentioned you, or pointed to you (unlike you have with me).I specifically said "Good thing we are ALL entitled to an opinion". I'm not watching your YouTube video link because I don't need any confirmation from you.

 

Don't take it personally. Unfortunately there's a few individuals on this forum that feel compelled to defend Apple's honor upon every post. Apple could serve crap on a stick and they'd try to convince you it was candy. You just need to learn who to ignore. There's a lot of good helpful people here tho.

I'm OS agnostic and use both OSX and Win7. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. I do find that in many ways Lion was a step backward, particularly for productivity. Finding the right open window with Win7's Aeropeak task bar is miles better than in Lion.

 

That's how I feel too. I'm an agnostic too. I think that OSX is faster, more stable, and more polished, though Win 7 is better on these fronts than Windows used to be. I think Win 7 is better for pure productivity due to (1) the taskbar (one click to switch windows between many windows, not two or three actions) and (2) one-drag snap-to-half-the-screen resizing of windows (which is pure brilliance and which I'm using constantly at work, as I often need two separate windows open next to each other). And I like the availability of software in Win 7 better (I game a lot, and I don't use Aperture or Final Cut; though I really do like iPhoto). I don't think either OS is superior in every way.

 

I'd let you borrow it but it is a powerful sword!

 

Let's try to stay on topic, guys, and avoid OT personal attacks--thanks!

 

It's not like you can't downgrade and then upgrade again when (if) things improve, right?

Only Single Application Exposé survived and I miss it too. You should consider (politely) telling Apple that Mission Control could need a few improvements:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

 

God, I wish there were more non-partisan people like you around here.

 

Left: OSX, Middle: Windows 7, Right: Ubuntu - all controlled with 1 keyboard/mouse with Synergy)

 

I was thinking in purchasing Lion, but after reading this thread, not quite sure....I'd appreciate if someone who had upgraded could summarize the main advantages/drawbacks of Lion in a few bullet points? (compared with Leopard).

 

most people aren't actually extremely biased. It all comes down to what topic you are covering. People don't have to add disclaimers to every post. Just because someone says a buncha good stuff about Apple, doesn't mean they have to add in some kind of disclaimer and list the bad things as well so they seem well rounded... when its not part of the topic.

 

I kind of like this one...



Sorry, couldn't resist. To each his own I think. We all have our preferences, and it does not necessarily mean that one is better than another.

 

Agreed, +100, but TBH I don't even know why NBR has a Mac forum at all? Unfortunately even Macrumors is turning into a "I Love Microsoft Rumors". When people say anything positive about Apple or it's products (on a Mac forum) you're called a fanboy, apologist, drinking the kool-aid and all sorts of childish comments. Like Macrumors, I'll bet if NBR had a voting up and down system I'm sure of it that all positive comments about Apple or OS X here would get rated down and any positive comments about Microsoft or Windows would get rated up as if people on a Mac forum have some nerve liking anything from Apple when this is really a "Windows-owned world".

What's really interesting is like what you said earlier, some of the people shaking the Windows 7 pom poms think that anyone that speaks positively about Apple's OS or their products is blind to any of Apple's downfalls. Just because people don't blend the good with the bad doesn't mean they don't have issues with Apple and it doesn't mean that they use only Apple's products like some of the MS users like to believe.


Now we both might be the only ones here, haha, but I happen to love Apple's OS and their products but I also have problems with my stuff as well and some of the decisions they make but I'm not a person that needs to throw a fit on a forum about my Apple issues, I try to solve them or take it up with Apple. I just threw a nice fit with them yesterday on their chat and I will not share that here. Some people appear to come here just to sabotage the product and how dare anyone disagrees with them or that poor soul will be called an Apple Kool-Aid drinker.

 

The task bar is almost in line with the OSX task bar...in fact OSX attempted to copy it once-upon-a-time.

There are differences, sure, but the basic idea and layout is identical.

EDIT: Also to stay on topic, I think it Lion = SL with a couple new apps/layout. Not really worthy of a refresh IMO.

 

It doesn't matter who copied who. The implementations of UI design ideas are never the same as they are repurposed for the needs of that particular OS. So "Mac OS X copied Windows" and vice versa comments are truly mundane.

 

Haha but boy can I tell you how much satisfaction apple fanboys have when they throw around the who copied who argument toward's Apple's opponents. We really had this hardcore apple troll at one of the other forums I used to visit and no, it wasn't macrumors.

 

The same can be said for Linux fanboys or Windows fanboys. Or juxtapose this onto the console wars. It's unfortunate, but it's human nature. Many folks like to make a choice, stick with that choice and defend it into the ground, even if irrational at times.

 

"Now we both might be the only ones here, haha, but I happen to love Apple's OS and their products but I also have problems with my stuff as well and some of the decisions they make but I'm not a person that needs to throw a fit on a forum about my Apple issues, I try to solve them or take it up with Apple. I just threw a nice fit with them yesterday on their chat and I will not share that here. Some people appear to come here just to sabotage the product and how dare anyone disagrees with them or that poor soul will be called an Apple Kool-Aid drinker."

You are making too much sense! I too love Apple products but I am not under the impression they don't make mistakes like all companies do..... We should be able to post pro and non pro opinions/experiences and not get slammed for it! Macrumors is actually not too bad but try going to Appleinsider and post anything even slightly negative against apple and you get slammed for being anti Apple and a troll.

 

That's true though I tend to get the same response at work when I show off an OS X feature that came out in Windows first. The reply is almost always along the same lines of "What's this? Apple copying the evil Microsoft? I thought it was the supposed to be the other way around as Apple is perfect and Steve is God!"

I know that both companies "copy" each other and I don't really care. I also really like Windows 7 though I prefer using OS X Lion on my MBP. I have Windows 7 on a nettop in my bedroom and I am perfectly happy with it. Yes, some things get annoying but Lion also isn't without its fair share of annoying aspects.

The main issue is when people respond who are actually drinking the kool-aid for either party. People can have their opinions and prefer one platform over the other. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We start getting into problems when people blindly follow one company and defend every single aspect about their beloved products. A true blind fanboy would never admit a fault in the products of the company they follow (or the company themselves) whereas a fan can admit faults. Fanboys tend to be hypocrites especially when they criticize other companies/products. For example, when I was showing off Lion to one of the tech guys at my building (who is really into MS and Windows 7), he made a statement like the one I quoted above. I then turned it around and said "well, MS copied this with Windows 7. It all goes around in circles so it doesn't really matter." Then he became all unglued and started going off on a rant about this and that and about how Steve is Hitler and how Apple is a big alien corporation that is digging into our souls with their iPhones, iPods, and iPads. So it was OK for him to criticize Apple for copying an aspect of Windows while it is not OK for me to say the same thing about MS when that is clearly what is going on between the two companies.

As for the whole regretting upgrading to Lion, I am not. I find it to be faster than Snow Leopard on my MBP, I like the new multi-touch gestures, and the two major problems I was encountering (having to power cycle wi-fi and getting only 1.1 output via mini displayport to HDMI) have been fixed with 10.7.1. Lion is still far from perfect as some programs are crashing on me and I am getting some buggy behavior when I instruct Lion to open certain file types with certain programs. I have told Lion to always open *.m4a files with iTunes yet, by default, it still uses VLC. On the other hand, Lion will always want to open *.mkv files with QuickTime Player X even though I have told it to use VLC by default about 7 times now. Snow Leopard didn't seem to have issues associating programs with certain file types. I still don't regret upgrading to Lion though and I have no doubt that Apple will roll out more updates for problems that people are still encountering.

 

When you cleaned install lion is it better than the when you upgraded from SL?
Thanks

 

I know you aren't quoting me but I can answer. Clean installing Lion has caused a much better experience overall than upgrading from Snow Leopard. Boot and shutdown times weren't really affected but programs load faster on my system, stability seems to be better, and battery life has improved. Upgrading from SL was actually the best upgrade experience I have ever gone through but programs were taking longer to load, my battery life wasn't as high as it was in SL, and I was having to force close a handful of programs. Clean installing fixed that as my battery life times are about the same as they were for SL, I haven't had to force close any programs, and programs load just as fast as they did under SL.

 

But how can you install it cold when the file disappears right after you install from App store? This is one thing I hate about Apple.

 

To be honest nothing really was different from the clean install maybe a couple minutes more battery life.

 

The trick is not to start the install after the download. The file goes right into your Applications folder. From there you can right click and view the package contents and get to the Install OS X DMG file. You can burn that onto a DVD via Disk Utility. Then perform your clean install.
You can hate on Apple all you want but it makes no sense for them to cater to Geeks since
"Geeks" tend to be more resourceful and will find out how to get around the walls that Apple puts up. It's not like there's no work arounds, obviously it is, I just told ya. . For most people the upgrade path is the right way to go and it makes more sense for Apple to set up OS X installs that way.

 

I thought the install was automatic right after you download the file? I am not a total noob, as I have fixed network errors in the macbook though I switched to Macs this summer.

 

Nope. All of the files download and then the installation app asks for further input to actually start the installation. You can either exit the installer or just minimize it to extract the files required for burning a Lion install DVD or creating a bootable thumb drive. Apple also has its own tool which will create a bootable thumb drive using the Lion download.