New SR MBP heat problem. :(

This is from some guy on apple forums...and look what he found

and this is the result after

yeah...I think i am gonna wait a couple of weeks. This is what happens when they rush production =/

 

No, that's just how they're assembled (this isn't anything new, this has been the case ever since the first MBP's I think).

Apple doesn't manufacture the MBP themselves, of course.

Doesn't have anything to do with rushed production.

 

well then I am not gonna pay $2000+ for this kind of quality control. You'd think they fixed these problems after 3rd gen.

 

Then don't. It seems like you're really obsessed with this issue; almost every post I've seen from you about the MBP has been about heat issues.

It's clear this is not the laptop for you. You should look for a laptop with similar dimensions and specs that runs much cooler.

Let us know when you find one.

 

hey what's wrong researching the BIG HEAT issue from MBPs?

What concerns me is that MBPs CAN run much cooler if they applied the thermal stuff better, but they don't.

 

well pretty much every company uses crappy thermal gunk instead of good stuff like Arctic Silver 5

 

Welcome to the computer industry.

 

AMEN! But who cares...I'm sure it's designed to last despite their incompetence with the paste. My Dell still runs like a champ after 2 years and I never did any of the 'cooling modifications" (such as replacing thermal pads with AS) that were recommended in these forums. Has anyone taken apart PCs and found similar paste misapplication? My x60s gets hotter than the Dell, but again I'm sure that even if the paste is all messed up it's not going to self-destruct any time soon.

 

Wow this sucks then...just when I am so ready for the switch.

 

So which company are you going to buy your laptop from that does a good job with thermal compound application?

 

hahahaha good point

 

Sadly, pretty much no notebook maker is going to have perfect paste application all the time. That aside, the paste that most OEM's use is generally not crap (unless they used thermal tape or pads ), and if there is a difference with reapplying it, it's usually not because of AS5 or whatever other paste you use. What matters most for that is the quality of the application job of the new paste.

I do have to say though, the amount of paste in in those pics on that guy's MBP is *very* excessive. But what else can you do aside from reapplying it youself? Not all notebooks are going to have perfect amounts all the time.

 

All of you replacing thermal paste with Arctic silver 5 ought to think twice... it degrades VERY quickly. After bout 3 months time, you will start to see things go backwards. Use Arctic Ceramique or Shin-Etsu G-751. My hobby for the last 6 years or so is computer thermal management

 

Some good advice from that thread:

I recall similar experiences with older MBP's; people noticing after a "settling in" period of a week or two that average temps seemed to go down anyway.

I recall something similar with my SZ460 as well.

Might be worth giving it a couple of weeks before breaking it open and reapplying thermal paste.

 

I dunno, Lenovo/IBM? They've talked a lot about how they focused on making the T61 their coolest running laptop ever, and I haven't seen any complaints about thermal paste application or excessive CPU temps with those machines.

Really: a $2000 or $2500 laptop should not have its CPUs running at 85 or 90C under load. Something is wrong with the engineering or assembly (in this case, thermal paste) if that the machine is running that hot. It's Apple's responsiblity to fix this issue. Aside from this, the MBPs are awesome machines.

 

Yeah, a ThinkPad definitely might be worth looking at I think.

On to the original point;

Please note that not EVERY MBP runs at 85-90C, but your point is taken.

I recall the last time this kind of thing was a significant problem, there were people who were able to get Apple to repair this as part of the standard warranty, so that would be an option for those that didn't feel like risking taking their machine part.

-Zadillo

 

has apple commented on this anywhere?

 

Not that I've seen.

But again, if you have a problem with overheating, you would just ask Apple to repair it as part of the AppleCare warranty.

-Zadillo

 

The reason no one's complained of the T61 is probably simply because very very very very few people have one Shipping just basically ground to a halt the 2nd week for the majority of people. (no i'm not serious)

Small retailers tend to reapply the paste well if you specify you want it, or if you ask for an upgrade that involves removing the previous paste. All of the Asus and Compal retailers offer it for a price...and some of them for free. But if you ask them, quite a few of them don't feel that there's any real benefit in A5S anyway (there's benefit in applying paste *well* of course)...

 

I can't believe you spent X-amount of dollars on a beautiful machine and then just to satisfy your curiosity you take it completely apart to look at thermal grease? You can't do anything about the way computer companies design their hardware. Oh well, at least it's not my warranty you are voiding as well as taking such high risk against.

 

my 2yr old 15.4 inch dell runs 54celcius max loaded. I assume they did a good job.

I only care about Apple's MBPs because they are $500 more than other laptops with the same spec. The least thing I can expect is to fix this tiny little problem.

 

Could you please explain this big heat issue to me? Are there machines malfunctioning or dieing from this? Are people's laps catching on fire?

We live in an imperfect world and very few things are as perfect as they could be, but if they are "good enough" I'm not sure I see the issue. If I can run a machine wherever and however I want for a few years without it malfunctioning , I would not see any "issue" with it even if I knew "it could run a bit cooler".

Now if these things are actually cooking themselves (and my Macbook that has worked flawlessly averaging a cpu temp of about 60 Celsius in casual use is not) let everyone know so we can work to have it corrected.

 

Dell? If you're comparing Dells to Apple then...there's not much left to say

You can't really assume that unless you open up the Dell box and take a look for yourself anyway. Dell machines are also a whole lot thicker and bigger. You can even fit more vents and fans into that thing. You also didn't mention what 2-year old GPU is in that Dell

Besides, 1 machine of anything isn't a representative sample.

I'm not sure where you're getting the $500 more than laptops of the same spec from --there aren't any laptops with the same spec in existence. Factor in in the cost of such factors as form/style/weight/dimensions and the screen, $500 is by no means extreme. Then take into account supply/demand

 

The thing is, it might not run a few years without malfunctioning. If you're paying this much for something, you just want to make sure it will last.

 

What is this? I am simply trying to address an issue that is concerning me before I make the switch to my 1st Mac. Please, don't gimme this world is not perfect speech. If you like to throw money at apple, be my guest. If you don't think laptops running at 80C+ loaded is a problem, fine with me, but gtfo of my thread.

 

pinwanger, again, you are continuing to make it sound like every MBP runs at 80-90+ degrees C at load, and that isn't true. You can find plenty of people who aren't seeing those levels. Some people have had this problem. Some have chosen to fix it themselves.

For those who have it and don't want to do that, they should be able to ask Apple to fix it or replace it as part of the standard warranty, if it becomes a problem.

-Zadillo