Mbp13

Hello, I want to buy a laptop!!!
I´m a Windows User, and when a I write it, i have to say I´m a very happy Windows User..
I just like the computer itself, the hardware on it, and the price Apple has set in the MBP13.
I run ACAD for viewing and small edit of DWG, and CSI SAP2000 (all this stuff run under Win), so all i want is to know if a MBP will just work fine for me?
Will Bootcamp do it like a PC?
I think i´ll maybe use the mac side to videoconference with my family while traveling, or any other light websurfing.. or music listening.. (just like a multimedia OS).
I liked the ENVY13 too, but not good opinions readed, so I deicided to ask you..
I also viewed the lenovo x201, but the current price has no webcam, and i need it.. so, taking a look arround, i like the beautiful Apple MacBookPRO 13..


thank you!

 

If you're planning on running only Windows, consider a regular PC.

Windows just kills the battery life on the MBP (because of its poor energy management) and the trackpad pretty much becomes useless (i.e. all the advanced multi-touch gestures go a way).

But to answer your question, yes, Bootcamp only partitions your HDD and then you can install and run Windows just like on a regular PC.

 

if only i can find this same hardware but in a pc enviroment... would be fine!.. Not problem with these issues you wrote there, I dont use computer too much in battery mode, and always use an external mouse..
Anyways, still waiting opinions... Very nice MBP13 i watched yesterday @apple store.

 

Take a look at the HP Envy 14. It's HP's equivalent to the MBP, but for the Windows world.

 

The only disadvantage i've experienced of running bootcamp on the mbp is the multitouch becomes useless and the command button replaces the windows button so you might need to get used to that. Everything else works exactly the same as any other pc laptop though.

 

If you're only going to be using Windows I'd recommend the HP Envy 14. When you buy a mac you are really buying the OS + apple environment. If you will just use windows on it you're really not getting your money's worth.

 

The HP kind of sucks. The hardware isn't as solid from my side by side comparison

 

Have you used the Envy 14? I don't think that you can say that definitively until you have.

 

I find it so interesting that almost daily someone is shouting that you can get so much more on a PC in terms of specs and more bang for the buck but then you'll see Windows people come on this forum and spout that they want a Macbook for the looks and to install the common Windows OS on it and run it exclusively. Not worth it, true Mac users don't buy a Mac just because it's pretty hardware. Just get a PC if you're gonna run Windows and if you want pretty then buy a Sony Vaio or an HP Envy.

 

Well I have hence why I said side by side comparison.

 

Did you order one?

 

OP, really, just don't get a Mac if your primarily runs windows. Yea Boot Camp allows you to run "Windows" (if you can call it that). It's more like a rough cut squarish opening on a flat surface.

Take it from me Boot Camp is cool, but it has issues namely overheating, touchpad crappishness, and driver issues, particularly with WiFi and sound. Not to mention battery life is like halved and you can't turn of the backlit keyboard.

 

The hardware isn't as solid, it's better...than all of the MBP line actually.

(excepting the touchpad)

 

That is a pretty subjective statement really. But from my experience with two Envy 14's they aren't solid. Feels pretty HP cheap to me.

 

By hardware I'm referring to outside and inside. As in it's more powerful than the whole MBP line for a lot less.

And where did you get to play with an Envy 14? I'm pretty sure they aren't available in any stores yet and even those that ordered first day haven't received theirs.

 

The "don't run Windows on a FruitBook" crew irritates me. All the components would be perfectly reasonable if sold in a Windows laptop, and the experience in Windows really isn't that miserable. The trackpad is definitely worse (and by a fantastic margin), so that sucks, but honestly it still compares pretty favorably to most of the dog-crap trackpads we have to put up with on Windows laptops. Have you guys used Windows laptop trackpads recently? They're horrible. On a MacBook, two finger scrolling works, and the poor drivers can't physically reduce the surface area -- I'd chalk that sh!t up as a win.

The power management is annoying, and they don't have any good excuse for that. Do they still force you to run the GPU in discrete mode when you're in Windows? Optimus isn't exactly a Fruit-exclusive, there should be an easy way to correct that poor behavior.

People are attracted to Apple's products because Dell, Lenovo, HP, Acer, Asus, and everyone else produce inexplicably terrible quality laptops. There's no excuse to be building so-called "premium" laptops out of anything other than metal, literally every notebook keyboard on planet earth should be backlit, and the incredible garbage that passes for touchpads on Windows laptops absolutely blows my mind. The bargain basement strategy is simply too successful for Windows laptop builders.

The Dell Latitudes are about the nicest option we've got, but they're saddled with exclusively non-gaming GPU options, speakers that go out of their way to suck even for laptop speakers (hurrr "business users" hurrr), larger overall footprints than MacBooks, and terrifically poor Alps touchpads that leave you begging to have your buggy Boot Camp drivers and Mac touchpad back.

 

That's what I was saying. The only way that it would be possible is if he were a German buyer, which I doubt.

Engadget can't even get a review unit from HP yet.

And no, the Envy 13/15 are not the same as the 14.

 

MBP13 uses old tech, core2duo come on... I was leaning toward a 13" MPB myself, but I can't bring myself to pay such a premium price for old tech. Now i'm leaning heavily toward the Envy 14, much better bang for the buck, especially if you're primarily using windows.

 

Anything made in China is "subjectively" cheap. I'm not sure if MBP's are made in China, but they are also cheap. I mean...Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 250 GB HDD 5400 RPM, NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 256 MB (ALL BASE) for $1200. Compare that to E14: i3-370M, 4 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD 7200 RPM, 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5650 switchable graphics (ALL BASE) for $1100. Honestly..and I mean honestly...based on just whats above..which would you pick? (Neglecting build, or how you thought it "felt")

Agreed 100%, was in your shoes - but after finding out about the E14..I became firm believer in the fact that Apple is literally trying to steal your money by making a "cleaner" looking laptop. I could care less if the MBP could survive being dropped from a 10-story building. If your careless enough to drop a laptop in the first place -> you deserve to lose it.

 

MBP13 for the following reasons:

- The best trackpad out there, important since as a portable laptop this is the way to control the cursor. Having to plug in an external mouse all the time does not really fit into the "portable notebook" category imho.

- Battery time, I am just incredibly impressed that the MBP13 can get 8-9+ hours of REAL WORLD USE battery time. This is, and im guessing now since no one knows for sure, about double what the envy 14 will get. However, one thing is for sure, the battery time on the MBP13 is better than the Envy.

- Weight, the MBP13 is 1.3 pound lighter than the Envy 14, this is a huge difference if you travel a lot.

- Dimensions, MBP13 is in a smaller packet.

- Then some personal impressions, I think the MagSafe charger is just a fantastic idea. Then couple this with Apple having a truly GLOBAL customer service and looking at several reviews, is best in the industry. I travel a lot and if my computer breaks I will have to send it in for repairs from anywhere in the world, Apple provides me with this option.

This was just to prove to you that it is truly not only about spec sheets when comparing products. I did the same as u, compared spec sheets 2 years ago and got myself an m15x. it has served me well but I have had a lot of trouble and it is just cheaply built to be completely honest with you.

Then some more personal opinion, I believe 14" is a bed screen size, it is a in between "I cant choose" screen. It packs power, but not enough power as many 15"+ machines and at the same time it lacks portability and battery life. So it is truly in between, I would rather go and buy a very good none portable notebook at 15"+ and then buy a small netbook cheaply to take around with me. Cause how much power or gaming do people actually do "on the fly", maybe we take our computer over to our friends place for a bit of gaming every now and then but in those cases a bigger notebook is not a problem.

In the end, I think MBP13 caters to a different market than the Envy 14, which makes it void to compare the two the way u have done.

 

These specs are wrong. The 13" MBP comes with an nVidia 320m, not the GT 330M that comes in the 15" and 17" MBP.

When purchasing a laptop, neglecting build quality is impossible. In terms of build quality, the MBP line has a stellar track record, while the Envy line has a relatively bad reputation. Because of the problems with the E17, I was not willing to waste my time on the E14.

Regardless of that, I wanted OS X. Price wasn't really too much of an issue for me, as I am a high school student with no financial responsibilities. I can just work for two extra weeks to save up for the MBP 15".