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    Lion reverse scrolling

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by sjones0812, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. sjones0812

    sjones0812 Notebook Enthusiast

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    With Lion, we now have reverse scrolling.

    I know I can just turn it off and go back to normal.

    Do you like it? are you planning on sticking with it?

    I have mixed emotions about it. I like it while I think about what I am doing.

    When I just jump on the computer and try to scroll....it's the wrong way.

    I then have to remember to go it the new way.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. KCETech1

    KCETech1 Notebook Prophet

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    personally, I cant stand it and switched it back to the traditional format, runing on an external wacom or a touch screen sure, but its way too ..... backwards on a touchpad.
     
  3. ral

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    I think the reverse scrolling was made for those who use iPad's. The Asus EEE Pad Transformer, tablet with notebook dock, touch pad behaves the same.
     
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    It was strange at first but after using it for the last few days (using a magic trackpad on my iMac) I'm totally at home with it now. No going back. It really makes sense now to me, not only vertically but also horizontally (two finger back and forth, four fingers to move between spaces etc..)
     
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    I turned it off. Even though I use an iPad, it still feels unnatural on a touchpad. Besides, I use both a Mac and Windows notebooks, so there is no sense in having different systems working different ways.

    It feels natural on a touchscreen, but not on a touchpad, at least for me :)
     
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    I like the reverse scrolling. I had my iPad and 4G iPod touch before my MBP so it was always different going back to that older style of scrolling since I was so used to flicking up to go down. I will likely keep the reverse scrolling on my MBP so that my Windows 7 partition and my other nettop are the only things that will stand out.
     
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    It's actually called "Natural Scrolling" and it is in fact just that. When I first tried it, it was "different" but after a couple of days I prefer it and when using a Snow Leopard Mac or even worse a Windows machine, everything feels backwards.

    Scrolling downwards while watching the page go upwards IS reversed.
     
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    I like it. But as I pointed out in another post and as HLDan stated above, everything else starts feeling backwards. That means I'm less productive on other machines, at least at first before I remember that scrolling is backwards. Not a huge deal, but it could get annoying if the first scroll of the day goes the wrong direction or something :p

    It'll get even more annoying when I use other people's Macs that do have Lion, and can't readily tell if they have it enabled or not without actually scrolling something to see....

    But on my own machine, I love it.

    I think the main point with the "natural scroll" is, as others have pointed out, to not dismiss it immediately. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't, but you'll never know if you turn it off right away without giving it at least an hour or a day or a week (or however long it takes for it to become second nature to you).
     
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    It totally depends on how you look at it.

    By default, the scroll wheel is a shortcut to the scroll bar, which is a bar that states which position on a page you are. Moving the scroll wheel in one direction merely moved the scroll bar in the same direction, which would travel to the corresponding location on a page.

    Using the scroll bar way of thinking, the new scrolling in Lion is reversed (since the scroll bar moves down when you move the wheel up).

    Apple have now "removed" the physical scroll bar from Lion. I know, you can still use it, but it's no longer permanently visible. As a result, the scroll wheel now serves as a page dragging tool, which grabs the page and moves it in the direction the wheel moves (similar to the hand/move tool in adobe apps).

    Using the dragging way of thinking, the new scrolling is correct, although your cursor should technically move with the page as well in that situation.

    It is an entirely different way of thinking, but it's always good that the option is there.
     
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    Yea, although I do wish you could set it for individual devices.

    Undecided on how I feel about the scroll bar disappearing. I keep it on Auto b/c I like how the UI looks without it. On the other hand, knowing approximately how far down you are on a document at a glance is invaluable at times--the whole Page X of Y thing just doesn't do it for me, if the document even has pages.
     
  11. J12

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    It makes perfect sense to me. I already reversed several months ago with bettertouchtool.
     
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