Is it worth it switching to OSX after 30+ years of Windows??

I've been using Windows based PC's for 30+ years now, and am currently using Win 8.1, and like it so far.

I've been wanting to get a MacBook Pro for a couple of years now simply because I'm always hearing:
1. How easy OSX is to use
2. How much better Apple products are

I do have to say that the current Retina MacBook Pro's look like well made computers, and I think the MagSafe charging Jack is the best. Additionally, while the newer Win PC's have a decent Touchpad, they are still lacking compared to the MBP.

I know a MBP is better made than the lower end Win PC's, but there are Win PC's like the New XPS-15 that are on par in quality.

I'm just not sure if there's anything to be gained in changing over to OSX after so many years of Windows, and especially after reading reviews which indicate both OS's are stable and about even.

Just thought I'd reach out to others who have been in the same decision making process for their insight.

Thank you

 

I purchased my first MacBook last year. I've been using MS products since the DOS days. It is a very well designed OS and I enjoy using it. I have no complaints about the MacBook Pro with Retina 15 that I've had for almost a year. The customer service is excellent. I do run Windows in Bootcamp for playing games occasionally. I also run my bootcamp Windows 8.1 install as a virtual machine using VMware occasionally but mostly I stay in OSX. It is definitely a little different than Windows but I enjoy it. I find it refreshing to use an OS that isn't the same old boring thing I've used for twenty years. There's a learning curve but it's not a difficult. Occasionally I still have to use Google to find out how to do something complex that I do in Windows. It usually winds up being easier to do in OSX but it's not as obvious to me because of my years of Windows thinking.

I do like the hardware very much. It is a lot more expensive than other machines I have owned. There was a bit of buyer's remorse over the price I paid. Once I got over that, it's a pretty great machine. I hope that helps.

 

Nothing wrong with OSX; it's based off of UNIX and Apple does a decent job making everything look polished.

However, whether or not it's easier to use than Windows (or any other OS) is really more a matter of subjectivity than anything else, and if you really *absolutely* need to have OSX, you'll learn it no matter how hard/easy it is. Same for any other required OS, really.

As for the second point, they're certainly better than the Walmart specials you see in stores and whatnot. However, the build quality still falls short of business-class machines (most run Windows, though they also have Linux options as well if you like). Some like a Dell Latitude E6xxx or Precision, Lenovo Thinkpad X/T/W, or HP Elitebook/ZBook would stand up to a lot more abuse than the (r)MBP. Then there's the Panasonic Toughbook, which is nearly a literal tank as far as durability goes.

But anyway, why are you considering using OSX? You want to use some sort of software that's OSX-only? Some other requirement that can only be met by OSX? If not, I don't see much of a point in switching over. There are cheaper options (Walmart), there are more durable options (mentioned above), there are some on par with with the (r)MBP has to offer for around the same price (XPS 15, etc), so on and so forth. If it's because you don't want Windows (and with 8/8.1, I don't blame you), why not try out a Linux distro, which gives you pretty much the same thing, sans OSX-only applications. Or, if you simply don't want to go to 8/8.1, those business-class laptops usually come with Windows 7 still.

 

Go to the Apple store and try it out. Everyone is different. I tried it and did not like it and gave my MBP to my dad, who loves it. You're not going to find a satisfactory answer by asking and not trying it out yourself.

 

The only reasons I was looking to switch are:

1. The MacBook Pro is a well made computer, and I like features like the way the Retina screen automatically optimizes/scales everything.
2. I like the Apple Touchpad; while my XPS-15 touch has some of the features of the Apple Touchpad, it's not as good.
3. Everyone says how much better OSX is than Windows; that said, I'm not so sure Mavericks is really any better than Win 8.1

 

Well if for any reason you do not like OSX, you can always boot into Windows and have the best of both worlds.

 

^^^ Though buying a (r)MBP to simply BootCamping into Windows pretty much defeats the point of buying the computer

Anyway...

1) Compared to the cheap garbage computers, sure. Though don't mistake "fit and finish" (something Apple's decent at) with actual build quality. Yes, the (r)MBP isn't going to fall apart in your hands with normal use (just like any computer that has a fairly large price tag), but drop the thing and you better cross your fingers and hope that you're not in for a very costly repair. AppleCare doesn't cover accidental whatsoever, and beneath the Aluminum frame is nothing special (as far as durability is concerned).

2) Eh, I'm not personally a fan of touchpads of any flavor. A point stick offers much more accurate and precise control over the cursor, and gestures are nothing but gimmicks to me at least. But anyway, Wintel touchpads these days are pretty much the same thing as what the (r)MBP offers, with the drivers not too far behind in the gesture department.

3) There's no such thing as a "better" OS. Each has its pros and cons, they all will do whatever it is you want it to do (except for a couple of edge cases, like gaming, and things where one's actually objectively better, such as Windows and Adobe products). But anyway, if you're just doing the basic Average Joe tasks (Internet, documents/pictures/video/music, etc.), it shouldn't matter what you use.

 

Not to mention that there are limitations to running Windows on a Mac, including reduced battery life (even on systems without a discreet GPU) and trackpad functionality. Further, while Windows 8.1 has better support for HiDPI displays, it's still not 100% there, at least on the Retina MacBook Pro. I assume dedicated Windows machines with high resolutions screens (eg Dell Precision M3800) are better.

As has been previously mentioned, the best thing to do would be to head to your local retailer and play with the Macs yourself to see if OS X is right for you. If you have an Apple store near you, you can buy a machine and essentially take it for a 14-day test drive. If you don't like it, you can return it for a full refund, no questions asked.

 

I have gone and tried out the MBP, and really like it; slight learning curve, but no big deal. However, I also like Win 8.1 and know how to adjust things to my liking, and know how to move files, etc.

In reading the Apple web site, OSX just sounds so perfect, but I'm sure it has it's glitches also.

 

Nothing's ever 100%. Same can be said for the other OSes too, actually.

Anyway, of course OSX sounds perfect on Apple's website; they're trying to sell it to you . Same thing if you read about 8.1 on Microsoft's website.

 

Have you tried Linux? The learning curve is a little steep, but overall if you need a change of OS sans Apple pricing it's a good alternative.

 

I moved to OS X recently. Couldn't be more satisfied. There are many personal implications on this, it's all about taste, but my work flow clearly improved with OS X.
I absolutely enjoy using it. I find it's approach to be compelling and many small but handy features really make it outshines Windows IMHO.

In fact, I liked it to the extent that I can't see myself buying a PC anytime soon. It isn't a perfect system by any means. There are things in Windows that I prefer over OS X, but generally I ask myself why hadn't I tried it before.

 

This is exactly what I've had a few people tell me. They love their MacBook's more than their Windows PC's

 

You should also realize that most people buy budget class Windows based PCs as well.

Most of them don't own premium Windows based PCs like a Thinkpad W530.

Also , newer Macs are not upgradable , so you are stuck with soldered RAM and a nonstandard SSD.

 

In fairness, I think they're talking about the OS comparison, not hardware/build quality.

 

Windows based PCs can also run various Linux distros.

 

So can Macs.

 

Except you can buy PC's that are tailor-made for Linux and whose companies can back you up on Linux support, like System 76 Clevos and Dell XPS 13 Dev. Otherwise Windows laptops nor Macs will give you Linux software support.

 

Correct, but this was not implied in the post I was responding to.

 

Yes, however the comments to which you were responding were about past, actual experience with Windows vs. OSX. Indeed, the thread itself is about that binary comparison, from a "30+ years" Windows user.

 

I would definitely recommend it. It's a great time to get a Mac. Software is no longer an issue as many years before. Look around at many cafes and people in the public, you'll see most of them with MacBooks, iPads and iPhones. Apple makes very good equipment. OS X is a very good OS and as I mentioned, software is no longer an issue. If you have any Windows-only games that are necessary to play then you could install Windows 7 if needn't be. I had to laugh when someone said, "It's certainly better than what you'll find at Walmart". That made the Macbook seem like it's just "okay". It's one of the best laptops in the industry and as far as comparing it to better quality Windows machines, if you have to compare them to a workstation PC then that says a lot about the build qualify of the rest of them. For most that move on from Windows laptops to a Macbook it's a breath of fresh air. To stay in the Windows world means you've decided to remain stuck. There's a reason why so many people buy Macs now and are very satisfied. Don't sell yourself short. You'll always wish you had made the jump.

 

^^^ So many? It's still a small slice of the pie, my friend If anything, you might be confusing growth percentage with overall size:

Anyway, something like the Thinkpad T540 is certainly not a workstation, so there are other things you can compare to aside from those, if you like.

 

Workstations can be much faster and better equipped than any Mac laptop.
For example , a mobile workstation can have a Quadro K5000m + a 10 bit IPS panel + 32 GB of DDR3 RAM + multiple SSDs , etc.

Apple fanboys like to dream that that something like a GT 650M can match or beat a Quadro K5000m when it comes to GPU tasks.

 

Nothing changes here. Same ole' insults from the Windows crowd. This place has really gone down.

Wonder why is it that I can't just post my say and people let me do that? I didn't combat your post, whether or not I agreed with it. Just let me say what I needed to say. The OP asked for opinions and I gave him mine. You Windows users seem to get so defensive anytime someone is interested in a Mac. You take things too far with your little cartoon pics. No class, seriously. Too bad Kornchild2002 has to try and help potential Mac users on his own these days.

 

I'm just poking fun at a small part of your post. Chill.

(Anyway, I'm in the Linux crowd now ; just have Windows around for gaming and .NET work)

 

One thing to consider about the new MBP are they are less upgradable than older ones. I believe 2012 non-retina models or older allowed you to upgrade the RAM, HDD & optical bay but newer MBP allows you to upgrade the PCI-E SDD only since RAM is soldered in.

If you're the type that likes to upgrade to higher RAM & HDD yourself and down the road when parts are cheaper then MBP might not be a good option. For this reason alone, I've stayed away from the newer MBP since I would have to order a fully loaded MBP to get what I want with RAM & storage and its way too overpriced compared to what I'm able to do with PC laptops.

Just some food for thought.

 

Telling me to chill after your insulting post? I didn't see anything funny about it. Once again. No class.

OP: this is the kind of people you will find here, do yourself a favor and find another place to ask when considering your Mac purchase. The Windows crowd gets threatened when you ask about a Mac. Just watch how defensive they all get. You will never get a fair and objective opinion and hardly any criticism about Windows or a Windows machine.

 

We mentioned that before.

Why does the military use Panasonic ToughBooks instead of Macs when they need a durable laptop?

If I'm being blind , show me why Macs are better than Windows based PCs.

 

You seem to be pretty emotional about the whole subject. It's just a piece of hardware (and software). I don't really see anything insulting about any of the posts in this thread. I only responded about that one part of your post about the number of users for your chosen environment with a relevant XKCD post. I ignored the rest of your initial post since it's all either subjective or irrelevant to the merits of OSX/Windows/Linux/BSD/toaster.

If it makes you feel any better, go ask a mod to ban every single NBR member without Apple hardware from ever posting in the Apple/OSX subforum in the future. But good luck with that. Anyway, you could also go out to the other subforums and "get defensive" about Apple/OSX if you like. Nothing's stopping you . And there's also MacRumors if you want a more Apple-oriented forum.

Personally, I don't really care what OP gets. His money, after all.

 

My bad, runs away since I didn't read the whole thread before posting. :thumbsup:

 

Marketing does wonders.

 

"Durable" and "Rugged" are different things.

Macbooks are for a typical home or business environment. ToughBooks are for more extreme conditions.

Note that there are reasons why every single PC laptop sold isn't a ToughBook.

 

Used Macs for 29 years here. so lets look at this differently from most users that have been posting

Depends on what you are doing, for many users it can be simpler and more intuitive, however it is also much less customizable and has its limits as well

Last few years especially I have to call this more speculative and have to agree with many posters, the MBP is a very good consumer machine but once you get into high end consumer models and business units it goes to being on par to falling quite far behind in almost everything but fit and finish. I do like the Magsafe and trust me it has its issues too it as well, you can do it with any laptop with a third party breakaway such as ChargeSAFE Break-Away Power Connector for PC Laptops and have been able to for about 2 decades now ( well before the introduction of Magsafe the first instance I am aware of was 80486 Era Panasonics and Toshibas ) there is a couple manufacturers that make a flush mount one but cant think of the link.

for many things I concur the touchpad is in the top 3 but if you watch users, how many gestures are actually in use and I am now heavily using non contact gestures from the webcam or voice recognition heavily in Windows 7 and 8.1 via Dragon and other applications.

now my complaints that are specific to most average users that I deal with.

A) for the price where is the durability and warranty to match other consumer laptops ( ASUS and others are now doing 2 year with one instance of accidental on a number of their cheap to higher end units ) letalone 3-5 year NBD + accidental on many business units much cheaper to more expensive

B) where are GOOD windows drivers for those that actually need to run windows frequently on their Apple hardware

C) how about we deal with design issues and problems that we find ( the mass issues with 2011 dGPU equipped macs unsoldering their GPU )

D) rapidly connect to an SMB device for a few files without mapping

E) off warranty repair costs and parts.

but as was said every unit and OS has advantages or disadvantages. forget marketing and go for what actually fits for the job at hand. heck I recommend Chromebooks for people who do nothing but facebook and e-mails all the time. They are a tool to get the job done

 

Nothing changes here. Same 'ole passive/aggressive victim schtick from HLdan. Woe is you.

 

To the OP:

Buy a mac and use it for a while, if you're not happy return it for a refund or sell it on Craigslist. You won't loose by doing this and only you will be able to decide if this works for you or not. Sadly, most of the advice you will get here will be biased one way or the other and often based on anecdotal experiences.

Anytime someone ask about going from OS X to Windows or vice versa we end up people on both side taking this very personally and it can get ugly.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.

 

I beg to differ but the bold part is probably his best route and advice. You can never know unless you try out for yourself. It's probably been suggested but go to Apple Store and play around with all their laptops and decide for yourself.

 

By the way, Windows went live in 1985 around November. It hasn't been "30+ years" yet.

 

Well, he also answered to me. I didn't compared Windows and OS X on different machines. My first OS X experience was on the same Dell XPS computer (which isn't particularly a Walmart budget computer). I didn't put hardware into question.

So, you may be right that some people make this unfair comparison using Windows on a slow, poor quality laptop and OS X on a high quality, expensive MBP. Not my case. I prefer the OS X experience on the same hardware.

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About Macs being no upgradable, that's true. But IMHO one shouldn't make much of a fuss of this.

The SSD can be upgraded and yes, it will cost a bit more for that. It falls whether you think that spending more US$70 in the next 3 years is worth it. I'd never make my mind when buying a computer that will stay with me for years over such a small amount.

The RAM case falls heavily on what do you do with your laptop. I'm a languages teacher, so 4GB would suffice for a very long time. The point here is one is actually going to need to upgrade RAM. One thing is buying a 1GB laptop that already ran out of memory OOB, other is buying 8GB in 2014. I think that the years to come will hardly bring software that will overwhelm 8GB of RAM. Also, upgrading RAM hardly has the same impact it had before.

That's why I think a non-upgradable machine is bad, but easily liveable with. Being 'stuck' with a given amount of RAM hardily is a noticeable con for me.

Macs aren't always better than Windows PCs. The best machine will be decided on a usage basis analysis.
Because some US Marines are crawling the dirt with ToughBooks this equals that Macs aren't sturdy enough and shouldn't be considered? Bollocks!

The same goes for the ThinkPad. It is faster as a workstation. If one where to buy a machine for workstation work that can be done both on OS X and Windows, it's a wiser purchase. This automatically makes Macs slow and expensive rubbish? Bollocks!

What you should keep in mind that a notebook experience is defined by a collection of factors. Being better at one of them means nothing. Macs are machines with a quite good distribution of attributes. They are well rounded. Price wise, when you compare a Windows machine that matches the Mac specifications in all areas, you have similar prices. If you think about your own usage, desired specifications and budget you will often find a situation where a Mac is a great purchase.

What some people absolutely fails to acknowledge is that raw numbers means nothing. Experience is much more subjective than 'having the faster Core i7 processor'.

You shower the thread with non-arguments and has the courage of calling someone a fanboy? Interesting.

Indeed. ToughBooks also implies compromises in order to have a rugged notebook. If you're going with your laptop to rough environments, than being rugged is a strong pro. Otherwise, the military using it will make you sleep better by knowing that if your cat pushed it from the edge of the table it will have more chances of surviving?

 

Cats huh? Well, I tripped over mu cat once while using my W520. It brushed off the drop like it was nothing.

To be fair though, I was being an idiot. Should have had the lights on so I could see the cat .

 

At the end of the day, one need but realize that one can run Windows on a Mac concurrently via virtualization. It's as close as you can get to having the best of both worlds on one device.


Just make sure you configure with lots of storage and lots of RAM.

Problem solved? Oui? Non?

 

I doubt it, this problem will never be solved until people can agree on one unifying OS experience. Since Satan has no plans on opening up his own ice skating rink, I doubt that will happen.


To the OP:

I made the switch to OS X in 2011 with the purchase of a 13" MacBook Pro. I was on the market for a new notebook since I was going to grad school and I heavily weighed all the options within my budget. I'm not as old as you but I had been using Windows since 1997 with the purchase of a Gateway 2000 desktop running Windows 95. I stuck with the Windows world until 2011 as I saw the direction MS was taking with Windows 8 and absolutely hated it (I still hate it, especially on traditional desktops with a keyboard and mouse). The switch was not as jarring as some people make it out to be. It was actually pretty seamless. I learned the most about how to use OS X just by messing around with it. Apple offers tutorial videos on their website and you can even attend free classes at your local Apple Store. Combine that with many, free, other online alternatives and switching over isn't bad at all.

I would also consider myself in the minority since I do take advantage of OS X's gestures with my MBP. I use the built-in trackpad (which is still the best on the market) when I'm on-the-go and I purchased Apple's Magic Trackpad for when I'm at home and have my MBP hooked up to my external monitor. I continually use 4 gestures on a daily basis and they all work fluidly. Compare that to my experience with a Lenovo YogaPad Pro 2 (with a multi-touch display) and the gestures with that worked about 60% of the time. It only reassured me that I like the split route Apple is taking by making their notebooks/desktops one OS and then their mobile platforms (i.e. iPhone and iPad) and different OS. I don't like how MS is trying to make one OS for everything. To me, it makes for a flawed experience in both touch and traditional scenarios. The gestures don't always work with trackpads/touch displays but clicking and dragging around with a mouse isn't natural (neither is having to go up to the right corner, click the right button 12 times, stand on your head, synthesize human DNA, and then the settings panel just might open up).

That's a complete personal preference though. Apple's hardware is fine for the everyday consumer, it's above and beyond most consumer level notebooks in terms of build quality and the actual internal hardware (though not on a gaming level) will fit most peoples' needs for years. Sure, it isn't going to compete with a business notebook in terms of build quality or a gaming notebook with a faster CPU and more powerful GPU but Apple isn't going after those markets. I've never understood the arguments where someone says that a MacBook Pro is durable and then someone comes along and says "it's not as durable as a Tough Book." Well la-di-da, the vast majority of Windows systems aren't going to be as durable as a Tough Book. That's like saying "the Ford Fusion sucks because it's not as durable as an H1 Hummer." That's not a fair comparison as those are two different classes of vehicles just as a Tough Book (or even a business Lenovo) is in a different classification than a MBP.

 

Merge from Windows to OSX takes a few hours to be friendly with the UI. I use a Mac since my childhood so I've seen it completly change. The explorer (finder) is clear and easy to use like the System Preferences which is a way easier than Windows. For a everyday use this is a perfect OS.

Most of the time it disconect when you get your foot on the cable, which happens to me most of the time on my mum's 2006 MPB. Best charger ever.

If you use an antivirus on your PC, this is something that you don't pay on your Mac because it's useless. IMO OSX is a way more stable and fast than Windows.

I hope it helps you.

 

I think the "Apple and Mac OS X" forum should have no discussion of Lenovo or any other laptops in it. If you drop into the Asus Gaming Laptop forum and start singing the praises of Alienware, you will be run out of town on a rail and all of your posts will likely be deleted. I don't know why this is tolerated in this forum. It happens in every single thread where a user asks for opinions on a certain MacBook or OS X in general. If you don't have a MacBook, I don't know why you are here. You don't have anything of value to add to the discussion.

We all understand that Windows laptop owners don't like MacBooks. MacBooks have soldered RAM. MacBooks aren't upgradable. MacBooks are expensive. Other laptop manufacturers make laptops with similar specifications for less money. That has nothing to do with 99% of the questions asked in this forum. There is a forum for advice on which laptop brand and model to buy. It is not this forum.

Does this forum have moderators?

 

Well, I think part of of the problem you describe is that it's both the Apple hardware and software forum, so by that logic (only post in forums where you have personal stake), people running Hackintoshes would be perfectly kosher.

Not exactly sure why this would be a mod issue though. There's no rule in the NBR Site Rules that bans that sort of behavior.

 

Agreed. Hackintosh discussion and input from users who like OSX but run it on other hardware is certainly relevant and valid for many of these discussions. I don't recall ever seeing anyone get the banhammer for posting in other forums but I have seen a LOT of warnings and sliced up threads where flamewars were deleted. In particular, it's pretty common in the Alienware forums. They are forever taking criticism for paying a premium for a brand name. It usually devolves into a flamewar.

It is not useful for every thread requesting advice on a particular laptop or the merits of OS X to devolve into a defense of the Apple brand.

 

Eh, I usually don't visit the AW subforum, and I just come over here from time to time to see what's up (and I'm an on-and-off VM Hackintosh user). Plus, sometimes the discussions can become a little "fun" (such as this thread).

Personally, if I had 100% control over NBR, I'd force all "What laptop should I buy?" or "Should I buy Laptop X?", etc. threads to WNBSIB and leave the OEM subforums for technical threads and the like. Though that's just my two cents.

 

Also I find the 'expensive' argument to be flawed, boring and pointless.

In given situations (as one needing CPU performance only or gamers) Apple hardware can be labelled as clearly expensive. But when you take overall experience into account, you can't buy a much cheaper laptop without making compromises compared to what Apple has to offer.

MacBooks aren't cheap by any means, but it's overly annoying to see people saying things like "You can buy a much faster machine for less" in a thread like this. Bollocks you can! You can definitely get a faster GPU or a slightly faster CPU and this means nothing in many situations. If you are up to an actually comparable machine, you won't pay much less.

 

In desktop-land with a decent mouse and spruced up with third-party apps like GridMove and StartIsBack, Windows is pretty decent. With mobile, it's no contest: Windows is way the hell behind. I've spent 20 years with Windows, tweaking and troubleshooting dozens of systems all the way back to Windows 3.1. I had a Dell Latitude with a pointing stick for the last 7 years. Then I bought a 1440p Windows ultrabook to replace it. Followed a week later by a rMBP 13. And followed a day after that with an immediate RMA of the Windows machine.

I had a couple of reasons. First and most importantly, gesture-based navigation on the Mac is in a totally different league. You won't get it until you have the machine for a few days and take the time to learn what it can do. Things like seamless multiple desktops, easy notifications, and browsing entirely by touchpad with no clicking at all. It's the only touchpad on any platform you don't have to think about. You just do things and they work. Every other system that doesn't have an external mouse feels like working with an arm behind my back. The pointing stick makes Windows bearable, but hardly optimal.

Second, the hardware is essentially perfect. Small, light, stiff, 16x10 screen, bright enough, the least glare of any glossy panel, perfect color accuracy, sRGB gamut, no fan noise, no overheating, no crappy one-level keyboard backlighting, no flexible keyboard, no weird throttling problems, great battery life. Apple sweats the details. There isn't a single Windows laptop in existence that has the whole hardware package like a Mac. Even with the high-dollar Macbook 'competitors' like the Dell XPS 15 and Asus UX301, the reviewers still find something to complain about.

Third, Windows 8 is half-baked. Metro and the touchscreen UI are great. The rest of Windows, no, especially if you want a high-PPI screen. (I wouldn't consider anything over 1080p at this moment.) OSX feels fully-baked. It's another thing you won't get a feel for until you really spend time with it. Things like instant (and I do mean instant) awakening from sleep. A search function (Spotlight) that actually works. An integrated app store for everything and not just a subset of touch applications. Built-in applications that are both intuitive and powerful. Integrated automatic incremental backup imaging. Oh, and it runs Windows better than any of the Windows machines if you don't need touch.

So far, the only thing I've found I don't like is that I can't turn off the startup sound. Otherwise, this new rMBP has been a revelation. The ultrabook I had before it had similar specifications and build for $300 less. I don't miss a penny of the difference, I wish I'd tried the Kool Aid earlier.

 

Only if you turn the brightness up all the way and leave it there.

Not even close.

Only if you're not doing anything with it.

Unless you count all those 2012 rMBP owners who were having weird throttling problems.

Maybe it's time to put the Kool Aid down for a while.

 

Sorry dude, you're just wrong. I've compared the systems back to back for days, not to mention a half-dozen other models in stores. The Mac has a lot less glare. I could shave with the Windows touchscreens. The color gamut stuff is public knowledge. In three days of setup and Photoshop, the fan has never turned on. Believe whatever nonsense you want.