Is it just these Apple threads that get Closed.

Is it just me or is just the Apple threads that get closed when ever anyone starts to mention anything about comparing Apple to another Brand.

I mean really take a look through here.

If anyone starts to question the Kool Aid the thread get's closed. Yes I'm a Mac user and I dearly love my mac. But I am also a realist and realize that Apple has their own agenda and it isn't making your or me Euphoric!!! It's getting our hard earned CASH.

I have been around here reading forums from different manufactures, and to me it always seems the threads in the Apple OSx forum always get closed when things get interesting.

Now lets wait and see how long this thread takes to get Closed LAMO..

 

I'm a PC user primarily, but I think it is more an issue of when the compare/contrast threads segue from being helpful/informative to more bashing in tandem with most of the useful elements of the thread(s) having peaked so all that's left is more chafe than wheat at that point.

Most comparative threads usually are not closed immediately, and some even last a spell before they make the eventual transition from primarily informative to mostly combative with the eventual decline into rehashing the same issues, temperatures rising and a glass ceiling dead end. Sometimes the shift in tone is subtle, but the mods are pretty seasoned.

 

I agree with your comments electrosoft. But isn't this why we have these debates. So we each have our own form of expression, gratitude or distaste for a given subject.

It just seems to me you down play Apple here in anyway and your either a Basher, hater or a troll.

Hell we are all trolls, we all sit here everyday and discuss topics completely based on ones self impression, and in the end we alway put in our 2 cents.

 

Here's my observation as I posted in another thread: When a PC user lists a problem and asks for help in the DELL XPS forum, he/she gets all the help from fellow XPS owners (I was one of them until about a month ago). When a Mac user posts a problem, he/she gets the expected helpful replies from other Mac owners. However, few non-Mac owners always feel the urge to chime in and start comparing what would have happened if that computer was a PC. Of course, this doesn't help the OP or others regarding the original problem and the thread turns into another...... well, you get the idea.

 

I like a spirited debate, but I do respect the mods and their right to clamp down on a thread when it seems to hit a wall or become very heated and becomes more subjective than objective. It is a thin line, I agree. I think that is why some forums have a separate, basically un-moderated, "flame wars," section where you can really just go to town. Of course if you've actually spent time in some of these flame war sections, you will see why mods are needed. It is pretty ugly.

The need to keep the pseudo-peace within the confines of the forums outweighs the potential for long term disharmony or strife.

Have there been some threads I personally thought were shut down prematurely? Absolutely, but it is what it is and I do respect the moderators. I am sure for every friend they make policing their section of the forums they make just as many enemies. I don't envy their position.

My only pet peeve in this forum or any other ones are members who lament within the thread itself about the need for it to be closed instead of maybe PM'ing a mod about perhaps reviewing a currently active thread to see if it merits being closed or continuing instead of decrying the impending end of all if the thread isn't shut down.

 

I agree that is uncalled for and should be addressed immediately.

 

Well it really depends who's posting. I am a primarily PC user, but I do technically own a Mac and I hang around the Mac/OSX forum to better my understanding of the machine I own.

But there will always be trolls. Mac/OSX trolls have the difference that they not only bash Mac/Apple, but in doing so they usually favor the flipside(PC). There are trolls in the Dell forums which come back and disrecommend Dell machines(ranting about their own poor experience), and sometimes those same trolls even recommend other brands, but those cases are rare.

Anyhow, it doesn't always have to be an issue of "Mac vs PC" IMO and if someone really does want to compare them, there are unbiased ways of doing so, but apparently, both sides have fanatics. Sometimes I feel as though Mac threads are almost like religion threads lol

 

The solution seems to be simple, though. My ignore list makes a huge difference how well the individual threads look now

 

Well there are people who are set on what they like, no matter the amount of discussion.

So the discussion goes no where and the thread ends up getting closed.

I myself use both PC/Mac, but there are those who use one or the other and feed off of trolling such threads.

 

In any case, it's always fun to read. =P

 

I use both regularly at work and at home as well, and I dont consider myself a fanboy of either camp. However, the amount of trolling and hostility in the Apple forums by non-Mac owners is just insane some times.

 

while people "unduly" bashing one side or the other is a big issue, i feel fanboyism is in itself a big issue why some of these threads become meaningless hatred spewing threads ...
I believe that a balanced perspective is what most posters should strive to give while trying to assist someone or comment on a certain aspect of a certain product/ service.

 

sure, and if we all strive to be mostly helpful and informative instead of opinionated and agenda-pushing, that would be great.

lets do it.

 

It's more of a Brand VS Brand then Mac VS PC. It's just so happens the Mac's run a different OS so that's one of the things people target. If Mac ran only windows and where the same price as they are now, we would still have these problems.

 

It's a win win for me, I buy the cheap PC parts that mac uses in their machines, that charge you 3 times as much for, then load OSX on it. I have a "mac Pro" in my shop now, running leopard, aperture, grarage band and everything. cost, approx 450 dollars, mac's version 4300. gotta love it.

remember, mac is just a "pc" now running a different operating system. im not bashing etc. as said earlier, mac is out for one thing. to get the lemmings money. they got 199 bucks from me and thats it.

 

I'll give you $600 if you build me that $4300 Mac pro. I can't even build a i7 for under $1000 here, let alone a dual quad core Xeon machine.

It's people like you that start the augments, you say you can build the $4300 Mac pro for $450 witch is complete BS.

 

its not the dual quad, its the single quad core....

and not its not BS...up the price now to 600 as I have to buy a new video card, and i want to up the ram count.

apple charges WAY to much for its hardware...

How much did you pay for your macbook pro?

 

Here is a $4300 Mac. That's Canadian too, so if you live in the US you can get more for your money.

 

I picked pretty well the same components I have in my hack....using apple.ca

it came to 4300 dollars with the software I have.

I have also said in other posts etc, if the hardware was'nt way out to lunch on prices I would be using mac for everything now. and the fact that some of my work programs would not work on a mac using windows vista as far as the programmers say, i would still like to try that one tho. but I would love to have a real mac pro in my house as a digital darkroom, but no way im forkin out insane amount of money like apple wants for pc parts.

 

Can you list your specs?

Here is a $4300 Mac Pro in built on the US site. If you can build me this I will give you $1000 US for it.

 

it would not be the same machine on the canada site bud!

 

Well then us the US site.

It seems like you are avoiding trying to do this.

I was all excited because you said you could build that for $450.

 

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From apple canada,

this is pretty well the same maching I have in my basement running now.

the video card I have is the nvidia 9xxx series....thats the only difference.

600 bucks i paid for the hardware.

 

LOL you added all the software, I don't need that, I also don't need the Monitor I already have a 24" one.

 

I just built a brand new computer, with the following components

Intel DX50so
Core i7 920
9600 GT
6 GB DDR3
750 GB HDD
DVD Burner
Antec 900 case
Card Reader
Windows Vista Ultimate

For ~$850, and that's with extreme discounts unavailable to the general public. (Vista was free, mobo and CPU cost less than the CPU MSRP alone).

There is no way, absolutely no way, that you could possibly build a system that could even shine a light on that $4k Mac Pro for less than $1k, unless you were stealing the components.

Sure, you might be able to build a PC with similar specs for less than $4k, but $450? Did you even look at the components in that machine?

And as for the original purpose of this thread, I don't see any more closed threads in the Apple subforum than in any other subforum. There are trolls and morons in every forum, luckily, there seems to be a lot less here on NBR than there are in many other places.

 

I agree, there are way less trolls here than other places....btw, my cousin works at the store here and I get great discounts. im only going by my experinces, and thats what is installed on my machine...same software.

try macforums, you say you own a pc, and man, look out!...I love this site as we can have a great discussion without anyone gettin bent!

 

1)Final Cut alone costs 200$,same es logic.iWork is 80$
2)Xeon costs 2x more then regular i7
3)MP uses different, more expensive fully buffered ram
4)do you really have 900$ display?
5)you also said you have aperture and your PC costs ~450,and now it is 600?

 

May I remind everyone that I am watching this topic, and some members are on the brink of "gettin bent" by me if they continue with their off topic arguments.

 

The problem that I have here is that there are many non-Mac users whose sole purpose it seems is to give advice about Macs.

The sad part is that there are a lot of people who have genuine questions, where Mac users are really the only ones qualified to answer, yet their posts/threads are being drowned out. Sometimes it seems that the other five hundred PC-specific sub-forums on this site just aren't enough for some people.

It's sad for me personally because there are some very good and knowledgeable people on here who helped me when I made the switch two years ago. Not surprisingly, I've seen quite a few who don't even come on here anymore. I'm starting to frequent this site less myself because of what's going on. It's definitely a difference place now.

 

How do you define a Mac user? I have used macs since 1991, and owned a few since 1996 (current one is an MBA).

I do agree with your point regarding people who posts with an agenda, instead of offering genuine help to a fellow user.

 

This is exactly one of the types of posts that people end up requesting the mods to close the thread over. Cheap shots at the Mac. Go away back to your Windows, we don't need you.

 

Just a few points.

1. When I post that a thread needs to be closed I've already reported it and nothing has gotten done.

2. When I report a thread it isn't due to a difference of opinion, it is because of baseless Apple bashing and personal attacks against forum members.

3. The posting about the home built $450 system that matches a Mac Pro proves the whole point about trolls here in the Apple forum.

1 quick question.

Is it possible to lock a user out of a specific forum while not banning them all together? It might be needed in a few cases as it seems to be the same posters running rampant in here.

and now my comment...

The Apple forum has been a great help to me in my move from PC to Mac this year but has gone down hill lately. It seems that reports of abuse go unchecked and certain posters are allowed to post whatever they want in this forum. Things need to get clamped down on and quickly. I'm all for a friendly debate based on facts but it seems that certain people cannot do that without tossing out personal insults and false facts.

 

Of course I wasn't referring to you. You're a current Mac user. I'm talking about those whose only experience with Macs came from either having seen a Mac ad or having been to an Apple store once or twice. And there are some who've last used OS9 and never used OSX yet they have a lot to say about OSX. It's like asking someone what they thought about Vista when all they've used is Windows 95.

Also it seems the people who are trolling this site always resort to specs, like it's the end all and be all of all comparisons. It would be like if I went to a BMW forum (Relax, this is not saying BMW is Apple) and bashed every 5 series owner for wasting money just because I can get a car that has the same engine specs as a 540 for cheaper. Yet there are people doing just that on these forums. Specs alone don't tell the whole story and it would be great if they got that point into their heads.

 

This is exactly what's happening in the Apple forum. There are few very active non-Mac users here that post more than the Mac owners with genuine intentions of helping another Mac user. You have to go through 20 "well, that would have never happened with a PC" post to read a reply that actually help solve your problem. This was never an issue when I was part of the DELL XPS forum until a month ago.

Anyways... now I have number of people in my ignore list and I never see the "valuable" comments they post here. I dont think I am missing much

 

its what I have...

NO I dont have a 900 dollar display, which is exactly my point. my monitor was 220 bucks, that out performs the 900 dollar cinema display. that was my point posting about the cost of mac products.

mac is very overpriced on their higher end stuff. the ram, thats funny my buddy swapped in normal ram in his mac from a pc when a peice of the ram in the mac went south. worked fine...so no need to spend extra money on "fully buffered ram"....I said I paid 450 but with the upgrades, its in about 600....

with all the software....

 

it was'nt a cheap shot....its the truth...mac's are just intel pc's with a pretty case and osx. before when it was the G4 powermac and stuff yeah it was a different ball of wax. Im am not saying that mac is not good etc. im saying that its way over priced...

and I never post, "we'll if was a pc that would not have happend....not like i have'nt heard should have gotten a mac, and their famous tag line "it just works"....its all 50/50 on most forms...there are mac trolls too....

as I said earlier...if a mac pro was not retardedly overpriced, and same with the macbook 17" I would have them. but I cannot justify paying over double the cost compared to a pc system for an OS, and fancy aluminum skin.

 

Don't even argue with kojack, it isn't worth the time. Just report abuse as a mod has already said to stop going off topic.

 

I just dont understand why people are not just happy with what they have... It is puzzling that people have the urge to always say "well, I could have put together that for a much less". If I have the funds and the purpose/use to buy any "seemingly overpriced" item, why is it anybody's concern that I spend money on the products that I want to have? A free public service?!?!

I think these are the same people who will come back an say "well, I can outperform your Maserati with my tweaked out Mitsubishi Eclipse" or "your $400 Dyson vacuum is no match to my $50 Hoover", etc etc. It's not just specific to Macs, it's the same mentality that covers many products.

 

Wow, I didn't think anyone would be talented enough to prove my point so quickly. No really, thank you.

 

Nope, PC is a term for a personal computer which is made by a variety of manufacturers. Mac is a specific brand name made only by Apple. What you have is a Hackintosh or a PC with OS X installed on it. Not a Mac.

A discussion is when people rationally discuss an issue using facts. An argument is when people use false claims and get upset.

 

again, im just giving my veiwpoint on how I see mac's pricing. thing is, you talk about cars like bmw etc. there is a significant quality difference in them and say a chev or ford. however, besides the exterior and "fancyness" there is very little difference in quality anymore between a mac box and a pc box. they use the same processors, vid cards, ram, etc. the big difference now is the OS. thats pretty well it. lets say I build a dual proc PC for editing photos and videos and it comes in at 2500 bucks. why, is the mac 5000.00?

back when the G4 were out I could understand it as mac designed, built etc all their own hardware for the most part, and it was not available to pc or anyone else, it was their, and guess what, it worked great....but now, its pc parts running OSX....any way you cut it that price difference is not worth what it was during the G3/G4 years...

 

This thread is a perfect example of a highly constructive discussion degrading into another PC v Mac bashing thread, and I've closed it precisely for that reason.

Please note that any discussion related to hackintosh is strictly against the forum rules, and it would generally be a good idea to not stray too far from the topic at hand, especially after a moderator has been notified.