I wonder what Paul Thurrott thinks?

Paul Thurrott is almost synonymous with Microsoft Windows. I wonder what he thinks about Snow-Leopard? Check this out:

"Most of these issues are minor. Indeed, compared to the problems Apple users are now facing with the latest OS X "Snow Leopard" release--which is incompatible with an astonishing array of software and hardware and is, get this, deleting user data for some reason--Windows 7 is on a different plane of existence all together. After three long years of incessant ribbing from Apple, Microsoft finally has an emphatic answer to the complaints. And with Snow Leopard, Apple has its own Vista. I have to think Microsoft is pretty happy about that. I also have to think Microsoft won't pull an Apple and launch a series of snarky ads ridiculing Apple's products. They just think different, I guess."

 

What issues are there with snow leopard? I haven't had any issues...

 

I've corresponded with Paul a few times during the 7 beta process and he's a nice guy and knows his stuff on windows at least, but to say he's completely biased towards MSFT would be the understatement of the century.

The only issue I've had with 10.6 is that my Canon's supposedly SL-compatible printer driver is not so compatible, and awaiting a new driver. That pretty much sums up all the issues I've had so far with SL.

 

I'm quite happy with my SL experience. Even W7 seems to work awesome on my MBP because of the bootcamp drivers.

 

No issues, here. I love Snow Leopard.

 

Hmmm. At first it broke a sizeable portion of what I used. Office is still slightly unstable with it. I've had plenty of issues. Nothing insurmountable (except for my custom-developed application as it happens, which is why all my work systems will still be Leopard, and you may be able to figure out what a problem that will be for me - a problem that just doesn't happen in the Windows world) but still.

"but to say he's completely biased towards MSFT would be the understatement of the century."

He's a Microsoft writer but he hasn't gone native, which is far, far more than you can say for 90+% of the drooling Apple-enthralled tech 'journalists' out there. I've seen some of these idiots break into applause at Apple keynotes.

 

+1 for no issues with Snow Leopard or Windows 7 Pro

 

True. Paul Thurrott is actually a closet apple fan. He often takes every opportunity to nail Microsoft to the wall when they mess up. He does a show on the twit.tv videocast called Windows Weekly with Leo Laporte (Apple fanatic, though his videocasts are all run with windows machines supplying the backbone).

 

It's funny how the perspectives are, isn't it.

He's a Microsoft Fanboy for the Apple Fanboys because he legitimately criticises stuff Apple does when he talks about Apple. And he's an Apple Fanboy to the Microsoft fanboys because he legitimately criticises the things Microsoft does while also talking about stuff Apple does.

That is actually the mark of a true journalist, perhaps, no-one ultimately likes what he has to say

My only beef is that he's somewhat under-resourced at times for a truly accurate / authoritative opinion. That's when being a new-media almost-singleton blogger is a big minus.

 

Paul does criticize MSFT whenever there are shortcomings, just as many of us Mac users criticise Apple for doing something stupid or blow a design or feature. We do it as a service because we want Apple and MSFT to fix things and make them better, which ultimately benefit us. I admit I am always absolutely anal and pick on all the little things Apple does wrong, and provide feedback to them about it in no small measure.

But what Paul does when comparing Apple's software or hardware to MSFT's equivalent is to always highlight Apple's shortcomings while keeping his criticisms towards MSFT at a minimum, which shows a lot of his bias. It’s very transparent that I find it entertaining. This has absolutely nothing to do with his stand-alone criticism of MSFT or Apple individually.

 

I don't get it what is there to love about something that isn't alive. Especially software.
You know you are a fanboy if you can love a piece of code.
As long as it is usable, cheap and efficient it is good.
As for pundits who like to say things like faster, how fast is fast?
1 ms? 2 ms?
Please look for things that matter in life like friends & family.
Money ought to be saved for human not splurged on silly things like computer and software, branded crap when their cheaper equally good alternatives.
They are meant to be used not part of your life.

 

Paul is referring to all the software that is deemed incompatible with Snow Leopard. Any Adobe Suite before C4. Safari Plug in. Etc.

It was a surprise considering SL was deemed a release with "No New Features." In developer speak, that means no app compatibility changes.

 

Somebody is kinda grumpy (and judgemental).

 

I'm with you on this one.

 

Once Paul Thurrot isn't saying you get Photoshop with a Mac like an uninformed individual on a news broadcast, then he's ok by me.

 

Oh boy.

NBC's Jim Goldman will forever entertain us with his fanboi comments.

 

Those statements are hilariously exaggerated. How many of copies of Snow Leopard sold in how many days? . . .

 

Well I had lost my Data. But as for software issues they were quite small based on what I used day in and day out.

And Win7 Works great on my MBP. And if anyone actually believes Apple or Microsoft have your best interest at heart, they are kidding themselves.

THEY WANT YOUR MONEY. nothing more and nothing less.

 

So how does this add to the conversation in this thread? I think its obvious that when someone says they love something it isn't the object they are talking about. They are saying that they love how the object mentioned has improved their life. To call someone a fanboy for that is out of line.

As for Paul Thurrott's comment.... I think he showed his hand when he said SL is Apple's Vista. I notice he didn't mention the installation loop some people are getting stuck in when installing W7. There is a big push to make W7 a big comeback for Microsoft but only time will tell if it will work.

 

Yeah man!
Nothing less than the cold hard truth !
Give this man his deserving beer!

 

Well, both Apple and MS have their fair share of OS problems. IMO the finger pointing is kinda dumb.

My SL experience hasn't been all that great however. We were promised speed boost and disk space saved, but I didn't get either of those things.

Writing to NTFS no longer works with NTFS-3G+Macfuse (in 64-bit kernal mode). My logitech nano vx back/fwd buttons don't work anymore and iPhoto almost deleted my import photos and photos off my camera. I almost had a heart attack.

I haven't experienced the "delete all user data" bug because I don't have a guest account, but to me that is pretty much unacceptable. I can stand Vista's shortcomings when it was first released, but when an OS deletes all your data, thats just insane.

 

My CS3 still works in snow leopard, ms office is stable, and I can still write to NTFS. I don't love it, but I have had nothing but good experiences on my mbp since i bought it.

 

Yes, they want our money but they can only get it if they provide good service and products that function well for us. They may not care about our bank account balances but it does indeed benefit them to have our interests at heart. Brand loyalty is very hard to maintain and can be easily and quickly lost after customer disappointments from poor services or products.

 

That maybe so, but to whole heartedly believe that everything Apple or M$ does is in your best interest is completely foolish. If Apple had your best interest (Not singling out apple here as M$ has many too) they would have released DRM free music years ago, instead of waiting for the Norwegian government to get involved. Or better yet why don't we have BR, some say it is simply because of the BR licensing fees. Which mean this in a nut shell.

If apple does license a machine for BR playback that fee then gets past onto us, the end customer. Apple not being stupid by any means understands that their notebook selling point is correct where it is. So by adding BR licensing to the final cost directly eats into their profit margins for each system, why is that? Because they know if they pass that additional cost unto the customer, we wouldn't pay. And if we could play back our own BR collection why the hell would we ever need iTunes HD content.

So I would strongly disagree that they have our concerns to heart, and that they only care about what we do have in our accounts . They know exactly how to balance what they think we need with what we are willing to pay(or finally accept). And Apple is absolutely the best in the business at it. Say what you want about M$ or Apple but at the end of the day, it's the $ that matters.

If apple really wanted to please their customers they would be providing system with much better components for a more acceptable price. Instead they hold on to the Mystic and upper level stigma in order to charge premium prices, for entry level components. And please let's not think it's the Mac OS that we are paying for, we are paying for that stigma.

Lets revers the order and make OS x available to the masses. I wonder how the world would view the Mac Os.

 

This is going OT a bit but from a financial point of view I agree with what you're saying. To be fair though, it would conflict with their interests (which are to maximise revenue and profits) to do otherwise. That's why I said in my earlier post that they don't care about my bank account balance.

What I was saying was from the point of view of design, functionality and product support and service. Apple and MSFT put out products that we don't have to buy. We choose to buy because we appreciate something(s) about them but at the end of the day we were never forced to buy said product. And if they didn't fair well on a product or service, it ultimately backfires on them, which is why I said they must and do have our interests (in this area) at heart.

I have to say I don't agree with your point about DRM. Apple never owned or controlled the music it sold on iTunes. The big four labels (Universal, Sony BMG, Warner and EMI) forced Apple to implement DRM. Jobs was the main proponents of DRM-free music.

Secondly, I hear the cries to open OSX up to the masses of hardware. What people don't realize is that it's Apple's vision to have a closed system which is infinitely easier to support, and from a technical standpoint the OS has a very predictable deployment path. That gives Apple the luxury and flexibility to fully support their products, both hardware and software, from the ground up; something that very few OEMs can or are willing to take on. Not only is this part of Apple’s vision but it’s also been part of the reason for their success and I suspect Apple’s core user group prefers it that way which is why you won’t see OSX opened up.

As far as Bluray's concerned, I can't comment. It is surprising that BD wasn't adopted by Apple especially considering that Apple was the main members of the BD Association, long before BD became the standard for HD optical media. I guess somewhere during that battle between the BD camp and Toshiba/MSFT, Apple's focus on BD shifted.

 

Ah, anyone remember when Apple did license their OS to third parties? The result was it cannibalized their sales. I never understood why Apple was compared to Microsoft. They are two very different companies. I wouldn't call it a predictable deployment path. From a developer's standpoint, it is very unpredictable.

What you are referring to is vertical integration. One company controls the product from raw to finish.

My thoughts on BluRay is that Apple is unwilling to pay the ridiculous royalties Sony has levied. It's gonna be the Boston Tea Party all over again.

 

I think Apple is just looking towards the future here, we are moving away from people actually having a hard copy of a movie, most people I know either stream or download.. Also Apple wants you to download HD movies on iTunes.. I could not tell you the last time I bought a physical copy of a movie.

 

I don't know about that. Streaming a 1080p movie takes an awful lot of bandwidth. In my case, it makes more sense to buy the BluRay than to pay for the ridiculous Internet rates here in the States.

 

I couldn't agree more. I would much rather a physical copy in my hands.

I am willing to bed in most places in North America the net wouldn't even be fast enough to stream 1080p and 7.1 surround sound.

 

and with all the capping and throttling with ISP's and slow speeds. Yep, give me that disk

 

A bet you will easily win.

I can't even reliably stream 1080p through wireless at my place. Gotta use the PowerLine to stream through the floor. Let alone trying to stream that through the Internet.

 

At this current time, we don't have the internet speeds to stream/download true HD. Give me the physical disk.

 

So I would guess it seems that Apple again arejust giving us just enough. There is no reason why Apple doesn't support BR. They can say all they want about BR licensing but ity the end it cut directly into their bottom line, and their HD sale on iTunes.

Does anyone know if the iTunes HD is anything more then 720p?

 

I know I'm chiming in about BluRay when it throws off the topic, so I'll just make my point and hope it goes back towards "Paul Thurrott's comments" .

Yeah, bluntly put I think Apple doesn't support Blu Ray because its supporting its own iTunes HD Movies. The only possible add-on I could see is a Blu Ray drive for Mac Pros for production, but other than that I don't see Apple supporting Blu Ray at this point.

As for Snow Leopard, no issues from me either, except sometimes my Plants vs Zombies game crashes .

 

This has to be a deal breaker.