Convince me to buy a macbook pro!

I'm looking to buy the macbook pro for the mac os/windows systems and for fun. This would be used for school/fun/online surfing/games.

I just used the macbook (my friends) for 2 days, and i'm in love. I just think the 13' inch is too small, so therefore i'm looking to buy the macbook pro.


Cons
-only 2 usb ports and both are on left side (and i'm a gamer, so that would be weird)
-expensive
-no accidental coverage by mac
-screen issues


I'm looking to buy the refurbished ones for $1500 because it's a good deal.

I'm going to balance schooling/fun/gaming. The 8600 gt card should be fine right for most games/photoshop right?

Thanks guys!

 

-Buy a powered USB hub.
-Not expensive compared to similarly equipped laptops
-Use Visa and ask for accidental insurance coverage
-What screen issues?

 

Thanks.


Is bootcamp easy to use?

 

8600 is fine for ALL games, and more than fine for Photoshop. I have photoshop, illustrator, and indesign all open and working at the same time with no noticable slowdown.

 

um... they are twice as much as pcs with better specs

 

True but they are cool too!

 

Don't compare to a Dell. Sorry but Dell's in a different class. Compare to a Vaio and tell me if it's twice as much.

 

what... which PC has an 8600m GT 256mb GDDR3, 2.4GHz C2D, 2GB RAM, 200GB HDD, dual layer DVD burner, 1 inch thinkness, and a 15 inch LCD LED display for $1000?

 

um... what mac is $1000

(and i hate dells as much apple... i wasn't comparing to them)

 

The specs I just listed costs $2000. Which PC has the same specs for half the price?

 

OK, I'm going to say this one more time. Show us a similar spec'd laptop that is half as much, or (And I never use acronyms ever, I just don't want this post deleted) STFU. I will report EVERY post of yours following this one in the Apple section as trolling if you do not. So put up or break your fingers, PLEASE.

The faster processor that the Mac's all come with standard are what make the laptop cost more. If you match it completely in the spec department, you might save $400 (if you are lucky) on a MacBook pro (And I'm talking screen quality too).

To the OP;
USB ports are usually only a problem at home, so a cheap USB hub will work fine. Compare that to my toughbook that only has one port (ouch).

They are expensive, but you get what you pay for.

Accidents? Get a toughbook if you want to abuse it (Spill anything but beer on my laptop, and you'll be fine. Spill alcohol, and I'll be angry you wasted good beverages!)

I haven't heard of screen issues with them, but if you know of any feel free to point them out.

 

I think he's desperately looking for one now

 

Ok then. So now we all know you have no idea what your talking about, and post here just to express some silly grudge against Apple, and we should all just ignore you

 

the MBP's have a USB port on each side, and 3 on the 17" model.

jcovelli, you should really find something better to do with your time. for someone who dislikes Apple so much, you sure spend a lot of time in this Apple section of the forum.

 

um no i'm not

i don't prove points to idiots

(and i left for a few minutes.. i have better things to do than praise apple)

sorry for the truth.. i was trying to help the guy

(and "1 inch thick" is not a spec.. it's a dimension.. and it's also longer and wider than other 15" notebooks)

 

It's definatley not longer than most 15.4" notebooks. And you have no point to prove... you're just being childish. And if it's the "truth" I'm still waiting for the name of a PC that has the same specs for $1000.

 

Thanks guys.
Macbook pro looks really good right now

 

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...9074000/wo/fh75FDpDp4Sd25NMKqCkeqcyqoe/6.?p=0

https://secure.pctorque.com/system-configuration.aspx?SystemsID=41

SAGER 2092
t9300
200 gig 7200 rpm hd
WSXGA+
2 gigs ram
8600m gt

$1,506.41


MBP
t9300
200 gig 7200 rpm hd
? .... probably wxga+
2 gigs ram
modem
8600m gt

$2,598.00

and the ddr3 8600m... about $80 more than the dd62... so say $1506 for the sager

thank you, good day

 

Why would you include a modem. And last time I checked, both those figures are more than $1000... :/ Also doesn't have a GDDR3 and you're ballparking the price. You've just proved me right though... thanks.

 

... well, it doesn't have a modem.. and the sager does.. thats hardware right?

 

you dont mac os on sager. (atleast legally)
Also the macbook pro i'm looking at is the refurbished ones, for 1500 and I live near the mac store if i had any problems with it.

 

That's like having a second big toe... But if you want to nit-pic,. The sager doesn't have a backlit keyboard, ambient light detector, or multi-touch touchpad. That's all hardware. It also can't run OS X, which is the main reason for choosing a Mac over a PC.

 

The hacked OS X has a huge performance hit, and is full of hardware compatibility issues, which defeats the purpose of using OS X in the first place. And no, the multitouch pad is HARDWARE. But since you clearly only know how to bash Apple computers, and actually know nothing about them, I wouldn't have expected you to know that.

 

I must have missed something, or you did, because when I matched them up, I was getting $1593 using a 2.4GHz processor (To match it to the low-end MBP), and using XP home which most people don't want, add another $100 for Vista Ultimate to compare it to Mac OS X, plus $42 to ship it.

 

Yikes he really doesnt know what he is talking about. The macbook pros 8600m gt is pretty good for gaming and performance with good battery life to so yeah its a great gpu.

 

he got the price up on the macbook pro by customizing the parts, which apple does charge a lot for compared to sager (400$ for 4 GB of ram vs about $100, for example)

but, realistically, the macbook pro can be had for 1799 and a similarly specc'd sager can be had for about 1560. i think the sager has the ddr2 8600m gt though, but it also comes with a higher resolution screen, which can be nice.

last, you get windows xp or vista instead of osx. so, the REAL price difference isn't that much. you can obviously contrive a situation where you could pay more for apple if you pick specific components to customize that apple charges a lot for, but realistically, you would just buy the $1799 apple machine.

 

I like how that link is dated August 2007, when Multitouch was released on January 2008 Also where does it say in that link that it does not rely on a multitouch capable touchpad to work?

 

That Sager is not one half the price of a Mac. I'm not saying Sager is bad at all, it is good in terms of quality and price.

And, Macbook Pros offer WUXGA resolutions.


And, you should get a macbook pro. It's slim, stylish, thin, powerful, has a backlit keyboard(which most laptops SHOULD HAVE, BUT THEY DON'T), and is one of the thinnest, if not, the thinnest laptop for 17".

 

You also forget that even if it is a software fix for APPLE computers they ALREADY have some multi-touch features (namely two finger tap for right click and two finger scrolling). If it was as simple as a software fix, please tell my why other laptop manufacturers have not enabled it. While I wouldn't be surprised that you could enable it on the older non-refreshed MBPs, show me something that says it can be done on a STANDARD trackpad.

I think ALL my points have already been proven valid, by you really, and you just love to bash Apple. You should stick to never proving your points though, because it's really not your forte.

Also I don't "love" Apple, because expressing such an emotion for a company that is using you to get rich wouldn't be very smart. However, I give credit where credit is due. I'm not exactly an Apple fanboy (my desktop is a compaq an we also have an inspiron. Hell I installed Windows on my Mac!) but they do make damn good computers and a good OS to go along with it. I'm not denying they overcharge for hardware, but saying it's TWICE the price is stupid on your part.

 

You two are acting like children fighting for candy...how is this helpful to the original poster??

Come on guys...chill.

 

It's not, but arguing is really entertaining.

 

Maybe to you, but it's annoying to everybody else.

+rep to Masterchef for a logical, well thought out, and most importantly polite response.

 

Coming from an extremely strong PC background, I have to say that I'd choose the MPB over the Sager jcovelli mentioned any day.
Don't get me wrong, the Sager is a great laptop and is slightly cheaper than the MPB, but there are features on the MBP you just can't get on any PC laptop. I'm not only implying the blacklit keyboard, OSX, magnetic power plug, don't need to mess with drivers/anti-virus software etc etc... but you just get a psychological feeling that the MBP is simple, clean, aesthetically beautiful and just hassel free to play with. I currently own a few latops (see sig), and I can honestly say the MBP is my favorite.

I can totally understand where jcovelli is coming from... heck.. i was like that until a year ago. You just have to be more open minded and let yourself out of your comfort zone once in a while. Give yourself a chance to like Apple, and I'm sure you eventually will.
If people really want to compare a laptop with the best bang for buck ratio, look no further than my very own Asus C90s.

 

Guys,

Back on topic. If you have noting nice/productive to say, then dont post. Some posts were deleted.

Also running OSX on a "non-apple" hardware is agaisnt Apple's software EULA so NBR does not allow discussion of it.

Thx
KDawgca

 

To be fair to Arquis, it is evident that jcovelli has never owned a MBP which is unfortunate since he's heavily dropping his judgement and opinion on the matter. By merely comparing specs and price alone one obviously does not understand the scope and merits of owning one, or the many little things that make a MBP what it is which cannot be put on a spec sheet.

This is not at all meant to be an insult to jcovelli. There are many people out there today who walk into a BMW dealership and genuinely ask why they're so much more money than a similarly spec'ed Ford. Yet BMW owners, once they've become such, would never go back to driving a Ford again.

Note: This isn't meant to offend Ford owners out there either.

I think I've insulted half the population but there really was no other way to put it.

 

I understand your post. That is basically why people who love their brand will always stay with their brand no matter what they create.

My dad is a big dell guy and we have 3 dell desktops in our house, for that sole reason because he wont look at any other brand.

I think its' my time now to branch off and look for more than just dell so that's why I looked towards the overpriced mac's even though I've only heard great things about them.

 

That's basically all you need to know. And by screen issues I'm assuming you're talking about the yellowish tint that was around with the first wave of Santa Rosa MBP's. As far as I know Apple as more or less solved that, and if you do happen to get one of them they will replace it.

 

um... actually i HAVE used a macbook for almost a year. i was just starting to produce music as a hobby and everyone said that logic was really good.
(i was comparing Logic to Reason and FL Studio) the only reason i used it so long is cause my old notebook sucked.

anyways... i never said macs where better and i'm not here to "bash" them.. i did prove that you can get the same notebook for half the price.

oh yeah... FL studio IS WAY BETTER

the guy asked to convince him to get a mac... unless you want the "cool" factor (which i don't understand)... there are A LOT of other options.. *cough cough*.. pc

 

I prefer cakewalk above all others.

 

CAKEWALK IS AWESOME... i use sonar 6 sometimes and would like to use it more. i'm not a pro.. and from what i've seen it would be better used in a "studio environment." FL works quite well with a simple home setup. i have rapture as a DXi and it's the most awesome piece of software ever.

 

Yeah, we used cakewalk in the studio, so that's where my experience comes from. It's also more accessible in OS X, so that could be why I prefer it.

 

Dude, you are waaaaay too biased and opinionated. If you are going to go around saying one thing is better than the other please provide reasons so that it can help those of us who are actually trying to see what they would look into. And no, you cannot get the same notebook as a mac for half the price. Because first off mac is NOT EQUAL to PC by any means, they run different operating systems, so don't bother comparing them. Specwise you may be correct but they run different things so it really is not the same thing.

And I am looking into getting a mac because I am tired of the Window's glitchy operating system. Very buggy and hectic, you know it is, do not deny it. I have a Lenovo machine and it just amplifies Window's problems because of all the software they load up on it. I choose not to uninstall the lenovo applications because then there would be no point in having gone with a Lenovo then. This is the sole reason I am looking into mac. Not to be "cool" or anything, I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks of me when they see what I have. So don't act smug and think you hold all the answers because you really don't. Open up your mind and provide more reasons.

I never imagined I would switch to mac a couple years ago when a friend was pushing me to move over, but I was not comfortable with it and liked windows at the time. Now after using Windows a lot and getting very fed-up with my machine(had to reformat 6 times in only 1.5 years) I am looking at another OS.

 

Please keep it under control in here. Make sure you back up your statements with facts or at least personal experience. Not "Mac sucks" or "PC sucks" - those statements are ignorant and help no one.

 

I've got one thing to say: Multitouch. Brings a whole new experience to using computers. In addition they are extremely silent, very cool (as in don't get too hot), build from high quality material, thinner than any comparable notebook, come loaded with the best OS in the world, and iLife 08 is also included. The screen is spotless, the keyboard is amazing and backlit for when it is dark. I could go on raving, Macs are beyond description, they are the best of the best.

I'm a new Mac owner, bought a MacBook 2 months ago. First Mac, never going back to PCs.

 

Actually, I don't know about the standard Macbook, but the Pros case can get very hot.

 

It depends on how you define hot, but I find the MacBook even after more than 10 hours of running is a lot cooler than any other laptop I've ever came to know, plus there is no fan blowing hot air on you, so it helps.

 

Doesn't matter how long you run it. All that matter is what you have running. The MBP does heat up by a considerable amount. Nothing that can actually burn your skin, but after 2 minutes of gaming, holding the bottom of it with your hand is very uncomfortable.

I guess what I can compare it to is... you know when you microwave something on a plate, and the bottom of the plate is really hot, but you can still manage to hold it, just feels uncomfortable? It's more like that, lol.

This is the Macbook Pro I'm talking about though. I have not tested the Macbooks heat, nor do I think a Macbook will get hot. The Pro gets hot mainly because it has a dedicated GPU, and the aluminum case is built to absorb the heat, thus making the case hotter, where the plastic case of a Macbook would not heat up.

 

Wow, if this was a Mac person stating how much better a deal a Mac is over a PC one would call the Mac person a fanboy, I don't know what to make of your attitude.
At any rate, you did not prove that you could get a similarly equipped notebook PC for half of the MBP. I just took a look at your link and after configuration of the Sager to match the MBP it came to nearly $1600 which is $400 less than the $1999 MBP so I think you are purposely over-exaggerating.
It's a good thing the OP saw through you and made the right choice.

 

Why not compare to a Dell? They are the most popular IBM clone out there. I'm not trying to be a wise guy but every time I look at Apple they seem substantially more for similar specs. I don't care for Sony so there is just no comparison their for me. I have never owned a Mac but I'm seriously considering one, however I am really struggeling with the extra expense. FWIW I'm looking at the 15" Mac Pro. When I try to get any real information about the actual differences all I see is fan boyism and brand loyalty. Surely there must be some techinacal difference other than the OS for the expense.

 

Take a look at them side by side. The dell's use cheaper monitor panels so the colour quality isn't there. They also have a much nicer case design on all their products than Dell offers.