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    Apple has its priorities dead right!

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by WilliamG, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. WilliamG

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    I just wanted to say, that despite my issues with Apple (not getting into it now!), when it comes to software, MAN they have their priorities right lately.

    People are complaining that the new iPhone 3GS isn't anything new, yet these same people were singing praise for the iPhone 3G last year, when ALL it offered was an extra 8GB memory, a GPS that was NEVER fully realized (not even till this day), and 3G speeds (admittedly useful!).

    The 3GS obviously offers those same things and a ton more. But, most importantly, it adds the speed so badly needed by the 3G model. So with the 3GS, we get the speed, all the useful features of 3.0, and more... , including real turn-by-turn coming soon from TomTom.

    And that's just the iPhone. Snow Leopard is taking all the awesome things about Leopard, and making them better..., and for so little money, too!

    What it comes down to is this: I'm SO sick of manufacturers releasing the NEXT thing without making the CURRENT thing work properly. With the 3GS, and Snow Leopard, it's clear to me that Apple is trying to make their current hardware/software work to the best of its ability before moving on. You really have to credit them for being able to create something so far ahead of the competition (the iPhone, even to this day, 2 years later), and stick with it to make sure it works 100%.

    The 3GS is just incredible. So fast, so awesome. And I can't wait for OS X 10.6!

    GO APPLE!
     
  2. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    Yeah, Apple is a HUGE company, same order-of-magnitude size as Microsoft, just for a sense of scale.

    They really do support their products, and lock down the hardware to be able to deliver awesome consistent software.

    This is one of the shining points of apple, but they have their darker sides also!

    Nevertheless, you compare the iPhone OS to something like Windows Mobile, targeted for basically every mobile device ever, and its not hard to imagine why Apple has cool software stuff in the pipe. Their scope is small.
     
  3. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    I'm looking very forward to Snow Leopard. Maybe even an iPhone 3G-S this fall.

    I wonder if Apple's going to release 8GB+ RAM support for late2008 Unibody models (like mine), because that'll be my next upgrade for sure.
     
  4. StrongerThanAll

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    you do realize that snow leopard is nothing more than a service pack, no wonder they are only charging US$29

    about the 3GS, how are they "not releasing" a new product? have you compared the specs going from N95 -> N96 -> 97? imo these are REAL improvements, and ALL of them work properly, damn, their navigation system has been operational over over 3 years, well before the first iPhone was out

    I own both a unibody macbook pro and an iphone 3G, but i am nowhere near as blind as some mac fans can be
     
  5. Xirurg

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  6. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    Indeed Snow Leopard is priced as a service pack, but the improvements it brings are far superior than any OS service pack I've heard of.
     
  7. StrongerThanAll

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    the only thing i don't see how they could've done with the upgrade would be the 64-bit and the open CL part

    Do you honestly think that the Quicktime and Microsoft Exchange part couldn't have been added through a software update?
    Also, windows had 64-bit OS a long time ago..

    don't get me wrong, i am also excited about SL, but i am still wondering why i have to pay for it, it feels just like the ipod touch users that have to pay US$ 10 to have their firwware upgraded
     
  8. Underpantman

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    ^^^
    Yeah I would kinda agree. To me the 3GS is what the 3G should have been. I guess though apple was not really being pushed by anyone to release it back then. Now thanks to the Pre and Android, there is some competition which should help push everyone to new heights.
    As for SL. Yeap its a small update... but I think its the start of something big, and to be fair win7 is pretty much Vista that works.... but MS is charging a whole lot more than $29... so at least apple can be praised for it pricing.... an odd statement given the recent ad attacks.
    But overall its really nice that apple is continuing to improve their software and make it available to older devices. I remember my Creative Zen years back that, never got a software update.. they just released new model and I was stuck with a partly functioning device that required a paperclip to reboot it at least once a day.
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  9. Xirurg

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    and how this makes SL less "update"?
     
  10. plasma.

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    That's what you think but Apple actually screwed up with the 3GS. A 600MHz CPU is absolutely nothing compared to what some phone have and will definitely offer later this year. No res bump, no OLED, crappy camera, no microSD, no multitasking and no utilization of a Snapdragon/Tegra is gonna leave Apple behind.

    Winmo 7, Android 2.0 and WebOS + 1GHz Mobile CPUs and 8MP Cameras and beyond. 2009 looks like the year the iPhone might finally be killed.
     
  11. Xirurg

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    em,no... Judging by results,3gs cruses anything when it comes to performance,and it is not even fully unleashed(CPU in it is 8xx mhz),it had GPU,which makes games look great,32gb memory,VGA video at 30 FPS,and best mobile OS on the market...so I doubt it will die...
     
  12. StrongerThanAll

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    not that it is less update, i agree in charging for those things, but not for the new quicktime, microsoft exchange and etc...

    at least i see you agreed with the rest of my argument
     
  13. Underpantman

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    The one thing that Apple understands is its not just spec sheets that win over consumers. Its the marriage between good hardware with great software. So while there are other phones on the market with higher spec sheets, the problem is the software is unrefined and and often an after thought.
    Apple will release a new iphone next year. I'm betting you will see a nicer OLED screen then, and perhaps a faster cpu... but you will never see a µSD card, and the res bump is problematic as it could disrupt the app store.
    The original iphone was a revolution... but now the platform will continue along an evolution path, with small but important steps... at least for the next 2 or so years.
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  14. Xirurg

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    well,it is not only that-also open CL and,why not,exchange,which you have to pay for on Win.
     
  15. circa86

    circa86 Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    How anyone can have issues with these fantastic updates and future ones is beyond me. People feel as if they are entitled to whatever perfectly suits their impossible standards (which, btw, only exist because of what Apple has done in the past with these products) to complain about any of it is just bizarre in my opinion.

    The 3GS iPhone update is a much more significant update than the 3G model was on the original iPhone as someone that has used them all. People want features that they will never use because there are other phones with them. If a phone that is available now has a feature that the iPhone doesn't, someone will and moan about it. To put it simply, that is all that is going on here.

    I can't wait for the update to Snow Leopard, which is quite clearly not anywhere near being a simple OS update, as it not only has been completely optimized but is also introducing technologies that no other OS has really been able to use in any efficient way.
     
  16. Xirurg

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    totally agree!
     
  17. masterchef341

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    i think its easy to make the argument that windows 7 is more of a service pack than snow leopard.

    here's a link to what's new in windows 7 - its laughable how little they changed. this is approximately the definition of a service pack.

    windows 7 = windows vista + operational

    snow leopard = leopard + mainstream software on gpu + a *hopefully* vlc-like quicktime + fully 64 bit (leopard was mostly 64 bit) + autothreading for developers + tweaks, speed boosts, reduced application and OS install size

    I can be excited for all of these things. It's gotta be partly the marketing, but marketing is part of it. I know to expect significant performance gains and some cool new stuff to develop applications.
     
  18. tasty_chicken

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    Apple is no where near the size of Microsoft whether your looking at total revenue (Microsoft's 60 billion vs Apple's 32 billion) or employees, (Microsoft 92,000 vs Apple's 32,000). But they do a good job for their size :)
     
  19. jackluo923

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    Well.. for windows 7, there's quite a bit of things that's new. MS calls it a minor release. But it's definetly not a service pack.
    http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp

    snow leopard can be called a minor relase aswell. There's no major change as well like Windows 7.
     
  20. AirSinner

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    Snow leopard is going to be one huge hassle during the first month of release!!.. Just watch, Time Machine and Airport/Time Capsule connectivity issues are going to happen. The general install of v10.6 it self might not work so great with computers whom are lesser spec'd then a "2.16GHz MacBook system and a production 2.4GHz iMac system" ( These systems are the base line products on which OSX-v10.6 is being tested on). So any computer with a single Core or even a decked out Power PC might just have nothing but problems after the install.. Oh and please don't forget all the 'Working' 3rd party software installed on any giving computer prior to v10.6. I am pretty sure 3rd party compatibility is going to go through the window after v10.6 is installed.. Oh yes, I'm not looking forward to its release at all. Lol.. But I could be wrong lol
     
  21. AirSinner

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    Lol! very nice. Now I'm sure v10.6 is going to be nothing but a breeze!!!
     
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    Hard to argue with a man who uses a crystal ball. :D
     
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  23. MrX8503

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    I have mixed feelings about snow leopard and the 3GS.

    Snow leopard I don't feel like its that big of a leap, but thats just me.

    As for the 3GS, i think some people are giving it less credit than it should deserve. I suggest reading the 3GS article over at anandtech. Pretty much the 3GS is the fastest smartphone out there, with the Pre be very very close.

    Aside from multitasking, these are the reasons why the iphone has decimated, eaten and spitten up all smart phones after it since its release:

    -Sleek design
    -Touch friendly
    -Fast OS
    -App store (prob most important)

    Smart phones have never been so prevalent as it is now ever since the release of the iphone. I don't really believe that Apple's ideas are ever hard to come up with, but more that their ideas just make sense.

    For example, visual voicemail, how no phone company didn't come up with this sooner boggles my mind. Probably something to do with too many developers and not enough designers.
     
  24. Underpantman

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    PowerPc users are gonna have huge problems... in that SL doesn't support them, thus it can't be installed.
    But anything intel will be fine, and the reduced, streamlined apps will help lower spec'd machines, not hinder them.
    While there are always gonna be some issues, I doubt there will be widespread problems. Its a "small" update after all.
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  25. Xirurg

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    also considering that there are no core solo macs...
     
  26. masterchef341

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    you are right. apple is like an ant and microsoft an elephant.

    i take back what i said about them both being on the same order of magnitude in size...

    ...

    PS. sarcasm
     
  27. Xirurg

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    it is not that bad...apple costs 120 B $,and M$ costs ~200.

    In comparision,dell is ~20 and HP ~90.
     
  28. Underpantman

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    Actually there are some mac mini core solo's ( link)
    But the numbers of those will be relatively small, and I reckon they will still run SL fine.
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