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    Apple Laptop Refresh

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by TSE, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. TSE

    TSE Notebook Deity

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    13" White MacBook - $899
    -Intel Core 2 Duo P8700, 2.53 GHZ
    -Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -320 GB HD

    13" MacBook Pro - $1199
    -Intel Core i5-430M, 2.26GHZ
    -256 MB ATI Radeon 4330 HD/Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -250 GB HD

    13" MacBook Pro - $1499
    -Intel Core i5-520M, 2.4 GHZ
    -256 MB ATI Radeon 4330 HD/Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -320 GB HD

    15" MacBook Pro - $1599
    -Intel Core i5-520M, 2.4 GHZ
    -256 MB ATI Radeon 4330 HD/Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -320 GB HD

    15" MacBook Pro - $1999
    -Intel Core i5-540M, 2.53 GHZ
    -512 MB ATI Radeon 5650 HD/Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -500 GB HD

    15" MacBook Pro - $2299
    -Intel Core i7-620M, 2.66 GHZ
    -512 MB ATI Radeon 5650 HD/Intel GMA 5700 MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -640 GB HD

    17" MacBook Pro - $2499
    -Intel Core i7-620M, 2.66 GHZ
    -512 MB nVidia 360M GS/Intel GMA 5700 MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -640 GB HD

    13" MacBook Air - $1299
    -Intel Core i3-330, 2.13GHZ
    -Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -128 GB Solid State Drive

    13" MacBook Air - $1599
    -Core i3-350, 2.26GHZ
    -ATI Radeon 4330 HD/Intel GMA 5700MHD
    -4 GB RAM
    -256 GB Solid State Drive

    That sound reasonable?
     
  2. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    not really. parts of it do.

    usually the 17" mbp get the same graphics as the 15". and i don't think that in one product line they will offer ATI or nvidia parts depending on how high up the chain you go. it'll be either all one or the other.

    i also don't see all the models having the same amount of memory.
     
  3. ltcommander_data

    ltcommander_data Notebook Deity

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    It'd be really disappointing if Apple is still releasing notebooks with the HD 4000 series now that the Mobility HD 5000 series has been released. What's more the Mobility HD 4670 has very high power requirements at a 35W TDP compared to 23W TDP for the 9600M GT and 8600M GT. A Mobility HD 5650 would offer greater performance than the Mobility HD 4670 with a 19W TDP.

    And it's impossible to couple Arrandale's IGP with a Core 2 Duo as you have in the White MacBook. And the MacBook Air will use Low Voltage processors and not standard voltage Core i3.

    I gave my own GPU guess here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5716287&postcount=40
     
  4. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    How many of these threads do we need? This is getting just as bad as all the tablet rumours!
     
  5. weinter

    weinter /dev/null

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    @TSE

    Did you designed this?
    Intel GMA 5700MHD
    It must be some lousy graphics...

    AFAIK Intel only released this
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD Graphics
    Please if you want to make at educated guess at least be able to differentiate on imaginary and real things.
    It just shows how much people know...
     
  6. ltcommander_data

    ltcommander_data Notebook Deity

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    The link you provide does list GMA 5700MHD as a valid name for Arrandale's IGP.

     
  7. weinter

    weinter /dev/null

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    ok...it is also known as 5700MHD.
     
  8. Seshan

    Seshan Rawrrr!

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    1 every day. ;)
     
  9. MGS2392

    MGS2392 NAND Cat!

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    I vote a title and post edit. It's too misleading... people may walk in thinking this actually happened.
     
  10. RogueMonk

    RogueMonk Notebook Deity

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    And it will be their own fault for being too lazy to read the whole thread.
     
  11. TSE

    TSE Notebook Deity

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    Yeah guys I just noticed after I posted this that the 5650 is basically on par with performance compared the the 4670 and is a lot less energy hungry so I will change it.
     
  12. filipp

    filipp Notebook Evangelist

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    Lol please edit this saying that your making this up with what you hope will happen.
     
  13. Seshan

    Seshan Rawrrr!

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    Agreed, since most of this probably won't happen and people might come here thinking it is actually real.
     
  14. AMDgamer

    AMDgamer Notebook Evangelist

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    I want the Tablet!
     
  15. Luke1708

    Luke1708 Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    i started cursing my configuration when i read
    Answer: We cant speculate coz apple loves its 9400m a lot. Steve mentioned it.
     
  16. doh123

    doh123 Without ME its just AWESO

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    I love when someone uses a link to prove someone else is wrong, yet the link actually proves the opposite.
     
  17. damien25

    damien25 Newbie

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    do you guys think there is a reasonable chance that MBPs will get a bluray drive at the next refresh?
     
  18. Budding

    Budding Notebook Virtuoso

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    Would be nice if they did, but knowing Apple, they probably won't.
     
  19. Howitzer225

    Howitzer225 Death Company Dreadnought

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    Apple doesn't want the IGP on the die package...so I'd call those switchable gfx models a dud until verified.
     
  20. Khris

    Khris Yes I am better than you!

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    There's no chance at all.
     
  21. ltcommander_data

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    Seeing the memory controller and PCIe controller is actually on the same die as the IGP, eliminating the secondary IGP die is also a non-starter. You'd be left with a pure CPU with only a QPI link going out that requires a off-CPU memory controller on the chipset just like before with the FSB architecture. Then I'm sure everyone will be complaining about Apple going backwards in platform architecture design and the higher latency of system memory. And that assumes Apple can find someone to make a chipset with a memory controller connectable with a QPI link since no one other than Intel is licensed for QPI and no such chipset exists so everything needs to be designed and verified from scratch. Intel is also unlikely to try to integrate a memory controller back into the main Arrandale CPU die since that'd basically be designing a new CPU for Apple and is no small feat. Keeping the secondary die without IGP would also require reverification and running a separate production line. Intel does do special things for Apple, but the most radical was the first MacBook Air CPU which was still the same 65nm Merom CPU die, but in a smaller package.

    Initial reviews of Intel's IGP seem fairly positive. It's performance nears the 9400M which admittedly isn't glowing praise, although from an Intel IGP it's shocking. The ideal situation would be Apple combining the Intel IGP with a low-end GPU for the models that used to be pure 9400M. You'd get better IGP battery life in IGP mode and better performance in discrete GPU mode. And if Apple doesn't want the Intel IGP at all, they could just not use it and they'd save the power too or Intel could disable it in hardware and maybe give Apple a little bit of a discount. But realistically, if it's there, there is no disadvantage in having the option of using it.