Anybody else waiting for June 8th to buy a MacBook?

After selling my old Ti PowerBook DVI about a year ago, I bought a Dell Vostro 1500 that I completely hated. Kept it a year and sold it off on fleabay. Just recently bought and returned a Sumsung NC10 and a Dell E6400 after being unhappy with each of them for different reasons. I bought both of these laptops based wanting to save money instead of buying a MacBook.

After spending some time thinking about all this, I decided to save my pennies and buy the AL UNI MacBook 2.4GHz but with all the rumors about a "netbook" type device coming out and the fact that Snow Leopard will be released at the WWDC on June 8th along with a possible pump in specs to the AL MacBooks...

I am waiting till the WWDC to buy....it's killing me though!

Anybody else in the same boat?

 

Considering I just got a new macbook (early 2009 white model), and it will run Snow Leopard fine, I'm not looking to upgrade for a long time.

 

WWDC is NOT for showcasing notebooks. Don't waste your time waiting till then. It's a conference for developers, it's not like Macworld. This years WWDC will be showcasing Mac OS X Snow Leopard (hopefully it's hackintosh proof) and iPhone 3.0.

 

While WWDC isn't "officially" for announcing hardware, Apple does have a history of announcing new hardware products at WWDC.

From wikipedia:

WWDC 2003:
WWDC'03 demonstrated the Power Mac G5, released immediately

WWDC 2004:
New displays were introduced in 23 and 30-inch widescreen. Released immediately

WWDC 2005:
Jobs announced that Apple would transition to Intel processors and the x86 platform. Released 7 months later.

WWDC 2006:
As expected, the Mac Pro was announced as a replacement to the PowerMac G5. Released immediately.


WWDC 2007:
Jobs also announced the launch date for the iPhone, which he was widely expected to do, as June 29, 2007. Released 2 weeks after WWDC conference.

[Edit]
WWDC 2008:
iPhone 3G anounced June 9th. Released world wide on July 11th


The WWDC 2009 seems worth my wait at this point. I would be pissed to buy a MacBook now, only to find I was 2 months premature of updated specs or a new netbook type device.

My hope is the release of smaller form factor laptop. 10" inch with touch screen and a unibody would be perfect

Even if there is no hardware update to the existing MacBook, after Snow Leopard release, it will be included with all Mac hardware, so I won't have to shell out the money to purchase it.

 

I was like you, but unlike you, I'm buying my MacBook today

I haven't yet found out when Snow Leopard is due to be released and no sites have given me concrete information as of yet. All I've read is that Steve Jobs announced Snow Leopard at last year's WWDC or something and said it would be ready in about a year, that doesn't necessarily mean right on the dot.

And when I had my thread, a user told me that if you purchase a MacBook, and something like 2 months down the road a new OS is released, Apple gives you the OS free of charge, not sure how true that is. It's my first Apple or laptop for that matter.

And also, I need a computer now. I could wait, but that would only inconvenience me. And again, some users have said that the possible hardware upgrades are nothing too fantastic to be worth your time.

But that's just me, good luck with your wait!

 

Why would consumers want Snow Leopard to be hackintosh-proof?

 

WWDC will be devoted to the new iPhone and its software & snow leopard.... maybe a 20"& 30" cinema display.
Don't expect any macbook updates, and I still think the chances of an apple netbook are highly unlikely.... to me its the new midi-tower that for years everyone said apple was "just about to release".
Thus only wait if you think the savings made on snow leopard (approx $100) are worth it.
Although having said that if your gonna wait that long why not hold out till August for the back to school promo?
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Because genuine mac users have paid quite a lot for their mac's. I myself handed over £1,746 for my macbook pro. Apart from the excellent hardware, I also paid for the benefit of being able to run OSX.

Why should someone get that for free (as most hackintosh users don't buy OSX, they download a modified version for free) or just for the subsidised cost of OSX? After all, the reason OSX is so cheap in comparison to windows retail disks is because some of the cost is in with the hardware.

It's no different than piracy.

 

Just because you say that most hackintosh users pirate OSX doesn't make it true.

And yes, it is different than piracy. Look it up.

I'm sure Snow Leopard will be hackintoshed easily enough. After all, the "excellent hardware" of macs is the same hardware everywhere else.

 

Well they can't install it unless they use the cracked OSX, as a retail OSX won't install. So yes, they do use a pirate version.

It's only an EULA violation and not piracy when they buy the OSX retail disk and use the cracked version for moral reasons. That applies to virtually no-one.

 

Could we keep to the topic guys? Is anyone else waiting until Jun 8th (or later to buy a MacBook?)

Thanks

 

Oh please dude, return to reality. It's called "HACK"intosh. You have to hack the Mac OS X install software to make it work on non-Apple hardware. If a person is willing to immorally hack or patch the OS and violate the EULA then they are more than willing to pirate it off the internet. It doesn't even matter if they legitimately buy a copy of OS X it still requires a patching to get it to work on a Dell or Netbook. All of this is piracy and if you are defending it you must be doing it.

 

Hey the white macbook early 2009 models, are the displays not led backlit?

Also I hear they have fw400 built in.. is it fw400 or 800?

Also does it have a mini displayport or have the mini dvi?

 

1. Non-LED backlit; CCFL backlit screen.

2. It's FireWire 400.

3. Mini-DVI

Hope that helps!

 

I agree with another post that if you are going to wait that long, take advantage of the back to school specials...last year you could get $299 back if you also bought an Ipod touch (= free!!). I can't remember when this actually starts but when I got my MB air a month ago the Apple guy told me back to school usually starts in July.

 

Simple supply and demand.. apple won't supply it, people demand it.. so it exists, and will continue to exist so long as they offer no viable alternative.

 

So using that logic, demand trumps law?

Apple does supply it, but at a price point that includes the hardware tied directly to the software.

Ah well, rules and regulations are human made to avoid anarchy as defined by humans. It has been and always will be situational, heh.

 

Wow, that's like saying that if I "want" (not need) a $10,000 server I should just break and enter and take it?

On topic to OP, I find myself in a similar dilemma about waiting as I am curious if Apple will bump the processors in the rest of their line after June. I am all set laptop-wise, I am debating a new iMac and I think this thread has convinced me to pull the trigger as I can put it to great use now (and it will do all I want it for now).

 

Typical elitism, I see.
Though being a Mac user myself, some of the reasons why people get Macs disgust me. They seem to regard it as some sort of status symbol and want to keep it all for themselves since they can "afford it" and want to show that they can afford it.

 

Apple does not supply a netbook for instance... so people put osx on netbooks not made by apple.

People perhaps would like a laptop with a SD card slot, apple doesn't supply that so they get one that does and make it work.

People don't want an apple computer but they want an apple OS.. they don't supply that..

3 very clear cut examples of things people want that are not supplied for whatever reason. Supply vs. Demand... furthermore it's not ILLEGAL to violate a licence agreement. It's a civil issue. Apple would have to sue individual users for this.

as far as piracy goes, I'm sure you'll find that if apple let people put the OS on their computer without having to download a patch or a pirate copy a LARGE majority of users would.

Once again this is demand to which there is no official supply... So piracy and patches of OSX exists and will continue to exist so long as the demand is not being met by apple.

the whole thing in the end only hurts apple... they could supply it but they choose not to. they could sue users, but they choose not to.. What does that tell you?

wanting a 10k piece of hardware is nothing like wanting to buy an OS to put on your computer but not being able to do so without violating a Licence Agreement. Those two examples are so far on the opposite end of each other it is not even funny.

Once again it boils down to supply and demand. There is no supply for the demand, so people do what they must. Thats human nature.

 

Also, I just wanted to point something out before Budding comes and closes the thread for the discussion of Hackintoshes - almost all of the patched versions in circulation make it clear that they want the users to purchase a legitimate copy of OS X or even a Macintosh computer, as the software is primarily targeted for "trial" purposes. It really isn't fair to lump all people with non-vanilla OS X installations as pirates, as some may have bought a retail OS X box per the distributor's suggestion.

 

Oh, ok.....

That makes it alright!

I mean, I think Apple should offer it for PCs, but I completely understand why they do not. I think their hardware is expensive in the sense that as an end user I would gladly sacrifice the very selling points Apple pushes to sell their laptops (ergonomics, seamless integration and compatibility and testing with the hardware/software synergy) to have the OS running on a $600 laptop. But I respect their right to sell and offer their product as they see fit (along with respecting their intellectual rights). If I want to run OSX, I fully understand I must purchase Apple hardware to legally run it.

Lamely advocating those who are downloading the pirate version to, "buy" the real deal or a Macintosh computer itself while offering said software (under the guise of "trialware" which it completely is NOT) is just sad, really.

Either you purchase the Mac OS legitimately via a Macintosh computer or you do not, period.

Anything else is just half baked justifications which, again, is quite sad, really.

"I'm trying it out!"
"I will probably get a Mac in the future.." (my favorite)
"I bought the OS...."

I have a bud who pirates everything under the moon and listening to his every changing justifications has morphed from sad to just pathetic. I have a modicum of respect for those who say, "I want it. I found a way to get it for free with an almost zero chance of getting caught so oh well....," then those who try to offer some moral or "user rights," justification to another's product even if Apple has 1000000000000 trillion dollars in the bank, it is still their property and their right.

And yes, to reiterate:

I do think Apple should offer it for other platforms
I do think Apple has insanely tight control over their products on the level, if not higher, than Microsoft
I do think Apple charges a premium for their products

 

And again, my point still stands,"Demand trumps law?"

But I do agree; it is in human nature.

Since the first growl of our stomachs indicating hunger and beyond, humanity will do what it must to satiate a need on all levels and sort out the legal and moral justifications later.

 

I'm hoping Snow Leopard will be released then so that I can pick up either of the Mac Pros thats on my sig.

I will shed tears that day.

 

Oh my sweet kneesocks, how off topic this thread has become.

Apple will probably never release OS X for non-Mac computers, because Apple is a hardware company (they got their own manufacturing plants, something that companies like Dell have, but MS does not have) and OS X itself supports a very limited set of hardware configurations.

Back on topic, I'm waiting for Macbooks to either get quad core CPUs (Q9000 or something), or Nehalem. When that time comes (if ever), I'll probably upgrade my machine.

 

Man, lets be serious 90 Percent of us on this forum have and will continue to commit piracy.

 

How am I being elitist?

A mac is almost like a games console in that the software is tied to the hardware. If you buy a mac you buy the complete package, hardware and software, with the price of future versions of the software heavily subsidised because of the hardware costs. Really, given the price of software around does anyone really think OSX is worth just $80?

So it irks me that I pay the whole package, and someone who feels the rules don't apply to them just comes along and pirates OSX for whatever hardware they want.

It's no different that genuine microsoft customers whining about having to pay higher prices and put up with DRM because piracy. They aren't elitist either.

Btw, would you feel the same if people extracted the XBox and PS3 firmware so they could play Xbox and PS3 games on whatever computer they chose?

Well, since more and more people are now running "hackintoshes" and there hasn't been a corresponding increase in OSX sales, what do you think....?

 

Wait, never mind i've seen that you are referring to mac users as "elitist" in a number of threads.

You clearly have a thing against mac users, so I won't bother any further discussing your "points"

 

Let's keep it civilized here guys.

 

Be careful, I've still got the banhammer out. I would strongly recommend you all to get back on topic.

 

What is wrong with talking about the economic, moral, and social reasoning behind the closed system design of the mac business model and the way it plays in the real world? If anything i find the implications of such things, and the free exchange of opinions, ideas, and points of view on this particular topic important and refreshingly interesting. This is a large group of computer users here, and so long as we're not talking about how to do these things to a computer really what harm can come from this free exchange of opinions ?

 

What does June 8 and the next update to Macbooks have anything to do with illegally running OS X and violating the Apple EULA, or elitists? And NBR has a strict rule against any discussion related to the matter. Any more justifications for violating Apple or any company's EULA will result in disciplinary actions.

 

I really thought the 17" Unibody refresh was going to get the Q9000. At this rate, Apple might as well wait for Nehalem for their Quad Core introduction to laptops.

It would make no sense for Apple to release OSX for non Macs, just like they put the foot down when they were trying out Mac clones. It just doesn't make fiscal sense to not keep the HW/SW tightly integrated (and keep those profit margins pumped). I DO wish they would offer it for PCs, but ah well.

 

Yeah, I guess MB will eventually get to Quad Core, but this will be pretty impossible to happen in the up coming small upgrade. Unless they also raise the prices for all upgrade MB and MBP 150% of the current price.

Edit: Did I say 150% of current price?oh I made a mistake, Actually I mean increase 150% of the current price

 

First, I never once justified or condoned violating an EULA, nor did i say how one could do it. I only stated why it existed, and will continue to exist.

Secondly, you asked "What does June 8 and the next update to Macbooks have anything to do with illegally running OS X and violating the Apple EULA, or elitists?" Within the course of the discussion someone mentioned they hoped the new refresh which may happen on June 8th would put an end to cracked and pirated versions. Other users asked why and when met with a response, someone expressed their opinion based upon the user's response. This is an example of the organic nature of all human discussion.

While i understand personally that name calling and broad generalizations are never helpful, nor do they add much to any intellectual discourse, these things often happen when emotion is vested in any given topic, and none of us can control the feelings, actions, or words of other people.

Of course I am capable of reading between the lines and i understand your post basically said "shut up, or you will be silenced for good." This censorship, while understandable since i am posting on a private website wherein my right to freedom of speech and expression does not exist; I can not help but still think threatening and then strangling to death those who would like to discuss these issues only serves to stifle the development and intellectual curiosity of the entire community.

With that said do what you must, but I'd rather spend one day as a lion than a thousand as a lamb.

 

Conversations sometimes get off topic... it happens. That's cause for banning or disciplinary action? What's happened to this forum?

I can understand disciplinary action for name-calling and so forth, but logical and educated discussion about a relevant topic should not be cause for banning. Besides, what we're discussing is at most a legal "grey area" (EULA violation) that is currently in dispute in court between Apple and Psystar.

 

More than snow leopard, I kinda wish they upgrade the display in macbook to the level of macbook air display. I'll wait to buy macbook till when that happens (probably never)

 

a expresscard34 slot in my macbook. this way i can get a expresscard card reader or i can slot in a remote..hopefully apple makes one that fits in it, bluetooth capable and recharges itself in the slot..thats all probably faster processors...and of course mba quality screen in my mb..all that will make it perfect..probably a slightly better graphics card that does not produce too much heat...ok...now thats perfect enough.

 

Yeah, I agree with the above two posters that it will be great for Apple to include MBA type screens. However, I also understand that they'll only do it if the MBs with such a screen are gonna sell for more money. For me, I'll be glad to pay MBA prices for a MB with MBA quality screens. I'm sure there'll be quite a few people who agree with me.

 

Is it really better to wait until June to get one? There is a sale for the 2.4ghz macbook for 1350 at my school.

 

That's a nice deal for the 2.4GHz model! I'd jump on that.

 

Or i could get the 2.0 ghz model for 1,100 but dont get the backlit keyboard i think and things. I just wonder if i could get that discount on the new ones lol

 

Well it depends if you want/need it. You might be able to get a discount on the higher end model, depending on what your school says.

 

Those are really good prices for the Alu MBs. My school bookstore just sucks with their prices. $1,249 for the 2.0GHz model & $1,499 for the 2.4GHz model.

 

Yeap I agree. Only thing keeping me away from the unibody macbooks are the s*itty screens.

I could settle for a MBA but its too damn pricey for what it is...

 

From what I understand, Snow Leopard being 64bit is supposed to somehow stop it from being hackintosh proof as brought up in the thread. So I guess that is a feature that can be talked about since its part of the June 8th thing with Apple. That's why talk of 'well, we shall see how hack proof that really is' talk comes up.

But there is strict discussion against Elitists? Dang, I guess that closes the windows 7 and Apple forums.

 

Yah seems like a good deal. But don't forget..I still have to pay like 8.75% of tax on top of 1350 for the higher end macbook. Is it still a very good deal? I could wait until June but I dont know if the price will still be that cheap

I checked the macbook pro, and those prices are a lot more.

The 2.4 ghz macbook pro one is 1899 and receive a 150 Rebate when purchasing with AppleCare ($239) $1749.00.

Seems like the macbook is a better deal.

 

As the OP...I am kind of bummed to see my thread and original question getting almost no meaningful (to me) responses.

Oh Well. Thanks

 

you asked if anyone else was waiting until June 8th... apparently no one else is or someone probably would have said so.

General rule is to buy when you need it; no sooner, no later. New improvements will always be right around the corner, that's the name of the game.

 

Only thing that is stopping me from getting one now is the occasional beeping noise...