Razer Orochi Mouse

just wondering how's M11x's bluetooth connection
and opinions about the Razer Orochi
if is a good mouse for the M11x

 

A simple search for the word "Orochi" would have returned many discussion threads about this topic.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m11x/499007-mouse-recommendations.html

 

I know
but some say good
some say bad
kind of 50/50
Some say it has bluetooth lag(when the mouse go to sleep, and reconnect)
But the wired mode is very good
so its kind of hard to decide.

ill just buy one and try

 

As a gaming mouse I would say get something else. For mobility it's a good mouse. I use it and while its connected and active it works great. The 3 second idle sleep is annoying and hard to get used too.

I only bought it because of the bluetooth and the laptop having internal bluetooth. The tiny USB receivers bother me.

 

It's a spectacular mouse.



The Bluetooth connection will ALWAYS have an 8-9ms lag to it.

On top of that, it goes to sleep after 3 or 4 seconds of inactivity.



BUT, it's not meant to game in the bluetooth mode. When you game with it, you're supposed to connect the wire. The bluetooth mode is for web browsing & stuff like that.



So, just to recap:


Bluetooth mode(web browsing mode):
Up to 2000DPI sensitivity
125Hz polling/ 8ms response
Goes to sleep after 3-4 seconds to conserve battery


Wired mode(Gaming mode):
Up to 4000DPI sensitivity
1000Hz Ultrapolling/ 1ms response
Does not go to sleep


So, you see....bluetooth is not for gaming. I don't know why people think it is....if you want wireless gaming, then get the Razer Mamba. it's the only wireless mouse that I would even consider for gaming. It retains 1000hz polling & 1 ms response time even in wireless mode.


I love the Orochi because it's small & light. & quick & easy to pull out & switch on for general computer use. When I want to do some gaming, just hook up the wire & I'm ready to go. It's got it's own neat little neoprene sleeve to hold the mouse & wire when you aren't using it. It's split, so 1 compartment holds the mouse, while the other holds the wire.

I must also mention that the cable is short. Much shorter than your normal mouse cord, this mouse is meant for notebooks. The cord measures just under 39.5 inches(1 meter) from tip-to-tip. It's braided & feels of quality. I think the connectors are gold plated, but I'm not sure if it's real gold? I usually connect mine on the left side USB port of the M11x & let it run behind the computer & to the right side (I'm right handed) it still has plenty of room for adequate mousing. (I do this so the USB connector doesn't stick out on the right side, where my mouse might hit it)

Ergonomics aren't the best....but this isn't marketed as an ergonomic mouse. It has sharp edges (they wont cut you....but they could be uncomfortable for some people). This mouse is most definitely meant for "claw grip" style & not "palm grip"(It might even be best for a "fingertip grip"). It's small size wont matter much since you'll be using claw grip....where the "sharpness" helps you get a better grip on the mouse for the fine-movements with your fingers. The mouse is coated in that rubbery texture that so many devices have nowadays.


For reference:




This is a performance mouse, that also happens to be really small & portable. If you're concerned about things like ergonomics & wireless modes & all that jazz, then this is not the mouse for you. If you want a highly sensitive, precise, gaming-grade mouse with all the adjustability(dpi, acceleration, deceleration, polling frequency, macros, etc etc) of it's full-sized brethren, then this is the mouse for you. As a bonus, it has a wireless mode for convenience while websurfing.

 

I'd still rather have a larger mouse for gaming. If you have to do everything with 1 mouse, it's a good choice. I pack it for portability and to use for general office needs. If im going to game, I use a different mouse.

 

This is true. Larger mice are usually more comfortable. But, when using the claw grip and/or the fingertip grip mouse size is less of an issue, because only your fingertips are touching the mouse.


Besides, I primarily game on my beast-rig desktop (Q9550 OC'd to 4.2 Ghz, 8 Gigs RAM @ 950 Mhz, with 4-4-4-12 timings. Matched 1:1 to FSB, EVGA GTX295 COOP FTW OC'd to 700/1497/1080 for graphics, 9800GT for PHYSX, Creative X-fi, dual Velociraptors in Raid 0) I do light-medium gaming on my M11x & I'm very happy with my Orochi under these circumstances. Sometimes when I'm at my girlfriends house & I've got to play in a TF2 match, the M11x & Orochi get the job done, so I don't have to drive all the way home to play on my dedicated gaming rig & potentially forfeit the match because of being late. (We get 15 minutes, if we're not all there in the 15 minute limit, the other team can call it a forfeit)

On that rig, I use a combo of the G15 keyboard & G13 gamepad. Along with my G9 mouse(With the small grips, suited for claw grip).


On my workstation, I use a G11 keyboard & Roccat Kova mouse(Another mouse suited for claw grip. If you can't tell, I like claw grip).



The G9 ends up wider than all my other mice, even tho I have the small grip on it. I feel the G9 gives me the most control over all my mice.

 

I didnt get the orochi because of the bluetooth connection ive been hearing. i heard its crap. i got the razer mamba for 75$ instead

 

The connection isn't crap. The response time is crap, because it's bluetooth. That's just part of being bluetooth, being slow. Bluetooth isn't for gaming, but it works fine for general computing.

The Mamba is the only "wireless" mouse that I'd consider using for gaming.....if I were to even consider using a wireless mouse....which I don't.




The problem is that the Orochi is misunderstood.
It's not a wireless gaming mouse. It's a wired gaming mouse with optional wireless mode for general use. You can't make a bluetooth gaming mouse because the response time on bluetooth 2.0 isn't fast enough. Don't get me wrong tho, the bluetooth connection works great....it's just too slow for gaming purposes.

 

Response time isn't the issue. You make compromises all the time. Most LCD's have 10+ ms of input lag, but are you going to stop using them?
Wireless internet as well, but when you on the go you really don't care about a little bit of lag. Shoot using a little laptop for gaming is a compromise.

However since the Orochi sleeps after 2 secs its horrible for wireless gaming and annoying even for windows use. Your right its not meant to be used like this. Its meant to be wired for gaming (so much for saving a usb port). So if your looking for a wireless mouse to use for gaming don't buy the Orochi. If you can live with a wireless mouse that falls asleep after 2 secs and then lags while it reconnects then get the Orochi, but honestly its annoying even in windows. I would say if you want a wireless mouse even for normal use, don't get an Orochi.

I would get a logitech mouse with a nano receiver. Your going to lose an usb port with the Orochi half the time anyway, but at least you won't have to worry about your mouse going to sleep and then lagging on wake up. My VX Nano works seamlessly, I don't even notice that it goes to sleep and thats how it should be.

 

It's awesome. I use wired mode for most gaming, however.

 

Razer seems to think the Orochi is a wireless gaming mouse.

"The Razer Orochi brings mobile gaming mouse standards to new heights with its small form factor and bleeding-edge technology."

 

Well, for the price, I can get the Microsoft Sidewinder X8. Aside from the obvious size factor, which is better? I keep hearing about how the Orochi is really uncomfortable.

 

LCD response latency =/= input latency. So that's entirely irrelevant.

I use a wired connection whenever available. Wireless has a tenancy to drop packets. This makes for bad hit detection at times. Browsing the internet, yes I'll use wireless....but gaming, I switch to wired if at all possible. It makes a difference, whether YOU notice it or not. I certainly do. And yes, I do care about "a little bit of lag" when gaming.

Even without the sleep delay, the input latency is unacceptable to me. It's like night-and-day difference going from Bluetooth to wired mode. Have you ever tried playing and FPS game with V sync on? It feels almost exactly like that, but slightly worse.


As for normal use, the sleep doesn't bother me. It only takes about a second to come back from sleep. Works well enough for general computing. I could see how this would annoy some people, tho. For me, gaming performance comes first. The bluetooth mode is a convenient bonus for when I'm web surfing.

I can't even find the response time/polling rate for the VX Nano....which tells me that's probably not their primary concern. Sounds like a good general computing mouse, but I personally wouldn't use it for gaming.

That doesn't say "Wireless gaming mouse". It says "mobile gaming mouse". Big difference. Mobile referring to it's size.


You also left the rest of the quote out & took it out of context.

For comparison, look at their ad for the Mamba, an ACTUAL wireless gaming mouse.

 

im not saying wireless is the best option for gaming..we all know wired > wireless. On my razer mamba i notice absolutely no difference between wireless / wired and yes, i do play with the wireless option. ^^ The logitech Nano isnt made for gaming. Its just a small wireless mouse you find at a electronic store...

 

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One of the reasons why I'm getting away from the Mamba and the Sidewinder X8, is the fact that they require the dock to be in wireless. Making it not really portable-gaming-friendly, which is one of the reasons we all bought the M11x to begin with. I am now looking for the next best thing with bluetooth. The Orochi seems to be the closest thing to it.

Now, I have a couple of questions before committing to it:

• If using rechargeable batteries with it, will the corded mode recharge the mouse?
• How is battery life? Compared to the Mamba?
• Is there a way to change the inactivity time (I hear people saying that after 3-5 secs the mouse sleeps)?
• How much difference in performance will you notice between this an the Mamba? Is it worth the difference in price?

 

thanks
i might just go pick up one at a local Bestbuy
since i can always return it...

 

I agree - the large base station of the Razer Mamba makes it impractical for portability.

I also looked at the Orochi, but was totally turned off by the idea of Bluetooth lag, and the wired mode for gaming. Why should I bother using a mouse that is sometimes-wired-sometimes-not? If I am going to buy a mouse, I'm gonna get one that is wired, or wireless.

I went with the Logitech Performance MX. 100% wireless mouse, no discernible lag time. Batteries last about 2 weeks before recharging, can recharge off of the laptop via USB port through a supplied cord (and you can still use the mouse while it's recharging). Very long inactivity timeout, so it won't really get in the way of using the mouse. $100 retail, $75 from Amazon with free shipping. There is currently a rebate offer going, bringing the mouse price down to about $60.

It's a full-sized mouse, so it fits my hand well. It has that awesome free-spinning mouse wheel which lets you zip through scrolling (with option to make the wheel the standard click-based scrolling). And it uses this imaging sensor called Darkfield, which lets you mouse on any surface (including mirrors and glass).

 

It is much cheaper to buy online. And the local Best Buy near me didn't have the Orochi (just the Mamba, the MMO mouse, and whatever their standard corded mouse is).

Also, be careful of the 15% restocking fee if you decide to return.

 

kent, any noticeable lag with it in wireless/corded mode? I don't see any info in polling and DPI for it.

 

• I'm not sure....but I do not think so.
• Battery life is pretty good. I can't say for certain because I have yet to replace the set of batteries that came with the mouse I've had it for about 3-3.5 months so far.
• No. This is why it gets such good battery life, and as I've already said Bluetooth mode is not for gaming.
• In wired mode, you wont notice any performance difference. In Bluetooth mode it'll have 8X the latency & will have a noticeable lag to it. If you've ever played an FPS with V sync on, it'll feel about like that.

If you're planning on getting the Orochi to game with in Bluetooth mode, don't. Read my previous posts to find out why.

Mamba wireless > Orochi bluetooth, by a long shot.

Because it's a wired mobile mouse. The bluetooth option is there simply for convenience so you don't have to dig the cord out if you're just gonna be web surfing. Just grab the mouse, flip the switch, & you're ready to surf.

Are you referring to the Logitech Performance MX?

It has a 125hz polling/8ms latency. About the same as the Orochi in Bluetooth mode. (Except the Logitech MX doesn't go to sleep after 3 or 4 seconds) I should note that this is pretty standard for wireless mice.

It's a great mouse, but not great for gaming. Ever try to play a fast paced game with an 8ms input latency? It's not fun, at least, not for me. It feels like you've got Vsync turned on.(Turning on Vsync usually introduces some mouse lag.)

It can toggle between 2 DPI settings that you can configure anywhere between 100-1,500 DPI.

 

False. LCD's have both Input Lag and Pixel Response Latency times. You will see the enemies first on a CRT vs a LCD.
Input lag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Input Lag:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/dell_u2311h/input_lag1.jpg

Pixel Response:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/pixperan/dell_u2311h.jpg

Thats why the full review covers both:
Dell U2311H Review

Its just a game, I don't need the lowest latency possible. If I did I have a wired XBOX controller when playing on my X360.

Again, if your hardcore and need the absolute best performance then why are you using a little laptop. My point is when you game on a little laptop your making a compromise so its not a big deal to use a wireless mouse and have a few milliseconds of input lag. Having a mouse fall asleep and be slow to turn back on is a whole different story though as it doesn't work while its as sleep and waking up.

 

Standard USB 125Hz polling, and about 2000dpi. I normally like my polling much higher, but it doesn't bother me on the M11x. The screen resolution is so low, that I don't really notice a difference.

What sealed the deal for me is that it is a full-sized mouse, the always-wireless operating mode, the comfort, the rechargability off of laptop USB, and it mouses on any surface (you don't know how many hotel room desks have a glass top). There are trade-offs to be made with any mouse. The Logitech Performance MX just happens to have a set of trade-offs that I can live with.

 

if your all complaining about performance and portability. Get a Logitech performance mx. The wireless adapter is small enough so you can leave it on your laptop and never have to take it off. Its not made for gaming...rather more for performance. To work on mostly any surfaces etc..

 

Meh. I just don't get it.

If I want top-end gaming performance, I'd get a purely wired mouse. If I wanted a wireless mouse, I'd get a purely wireless mouse.

The Razer Orochi seems to be a mouse that operates best in wired mode. And as a wired mouse, it seems fine. As a wireless mouse, it's a half-assed. The fact that you can switch between the two just seems to be an unnecessary gimmick.

I can't see anybody going out looking for a hybrid wired/wireless mouse, and coming across the Orochi. Rather, I see people buying the Orochi because they think it's cool, and then only later finding excuses where they can use it in wired or wireless modes. I'd rather have my behavior dictate the product I buy, versus the product dictating the behavior around using it.

 

Indeed. I thought you were referring to response time cause that's all I hear about nowadays(Typical Herp Derp "gaming" LCDs with low response time nonsense)

But yes, referring to response time & actual input lag on monitors, you are correct. To be honest, if I could, I WOULD have an CRT. In fact, I'd have this one if I could find one that works for cheap:
Amazon.com: Sony GDM-FW900 Flat Widescreen 24" FD Trinitron CRT…

Until then, LCDs will have to do. I've grown used to the extra desk space from using LCDs & I like their widescreen aspect ratios. It's really a shame, tho. You can't beat a CRT. I'd beat a dolphin to death with a bag of puppies for three of those FW900s....

I got an M11x for a few reasons: To replace my old netbook. It was fast enough to view & edit my pictures from my DSLR where my netbook was chugging down. It allows me to play my TF2 matches & scrims when I'm not at home. Since we scrim several times a week, I can always be ready with the M11x. It doesn't quite get 60 FPS....but it's good enough in a pinch. Tho, I'd still like to minimize lag as much as possible if I can. Why not? It also has the added benefit of being able to play most of my other games.

I guess I'm just OCD about input lag(& lag in general) then. I can't stand it. I can't play my FPS games with V sync. I'd rather deal with massive tearing than the mouse lag side-effect of V sync. I'd rather just use a controller than have to deal with mouse input-lag.(Some games are bad enough where I have to plug in my Xbox controller. ) At least with a controller I don't feel it. I can't stand all the latency added via all the wireless stuff combined together. When online playing fast paced games it really does add up. It makes a difference especially because of how wildly WiFi can vary in latency. It wouldn't be so bad if it were consistently the same amount of latency. OnLive? I couldn't stand it....it was horrible. Because of the massive input latency....it felt like 30-40ms worth. O_O

We're on opposite sides of the spectrum. I'd rather compromise things like ergonomics & convenience for performance.(Within reason. You don't see me toting around my 80 lb. desktop. )

 

Razer does advertise it like Arak-Nafein says, but I agree, I think people buy it thinking they are getting a wireless mouse and ended up with a half assed wireless mouse. I think the idea of the hybrid mouse makes sense, but because the mouse is unnecessarily gimped by the short sleep time it fails. It would be fine if you plug it for extra performance and when wireless it performance like a normal wireless mouse, but the Orochi in wireless mode performs like the worst wireless mouse I have ever used. The sleep and wake up time is just unacceptable.

 

That's just it. I wanted both. The Orochi replaced both my Roccat Kova & my generic Targus bluetooth mouse. Yes, I had two mice. When I'm in web surfing mode, I just pull out the lappy & the bluetooth mouse & I'm done.

When I'm in gaming mode, the G13 comes out, the G9/Roccat Kova comes out, the special mouse mat, the TrackIR, the G25, The G940. The whole works. The sennheiser PC350s. The external monitor or HDTV...whichever is available. All this stuff works with my M11x....and very well. (Obviously not all at once. But you get my point)

Getting rid of two mice for one seemed like a win-win for me?

Very true. The performance difference between the two modes is vast. Like I've been saying, if people were buying the mouse wanting to game with it in Bluetooth mode were in for a rude awakening. Unnecessary? When is anything necessary? I got the Orochi primarily because of it's wired performance. The added bluetooth mode was an unnecessary bonus.

Well....you know what they say about assuming things.


As I was saying, I primarily wanted the Orochi for it's performance in wired mode. I was also looking for a small mouse that would fit in a sleeve with the M11x. The Orochi had both these things. The fact that it could also replace my bluetooth mouse made it a no-brainer for me.

Please don't assume things, you don't know me.
Now, when I'm in wireless mode, just screwing around on the internet, I wont have a USB cable attached to the side of the M11x just waiting to be sheered off by some distracted family member or friend. Not to mention, it's nice to be able to just pick up the mouse & turn it on. No dongle or receiver to worry about. This is my "convenience mode". The laser is good enough that it works on my leg, or the couch, or the table or wherever I'm usually at. Not glass tho. You and you're stupid darkfield. I'm kidding.

Agreed.

I'm the opposite tho. I care a lot about the performance, and the sleep & wakeup don't bother me.

Plus I did lots & lots of research before buying, so I knew what I was getting into. The whole point of all of this was to say it's a great MOBILE mouse, key word. Mobile. Not wireless. But at the same time i wanted to inform people that it's unacceptable for bluetooth gaming. But at the same time, I was trying to say how cool it is that it IS wireless for those times you're running in minimal mode. Personally, I haven't had any issues with the sleep/wakeup. I've noticed it, definitely....but it's only like a second delay. I don't understand what's so bad about it? Especially because you're getting such a great gaming mouse at the same time.

 

Doh, double post. Don't know how to delete?

 

I personally don't have any issues with gaming with my orochi be it wired or wireless, except for at PDXLAN but there were 499 other people there so im sure there was some interference.

at home and small LANs i usually dont bother to plug it in, and unless i leave it for several minutes without moving it it does not go into standby. Theres about 2-5 seconds of waiting for it to connect when i first power everything on, and thats it.

 

So the inactivity timeout is several minutes and not seconds before going into standby?! Hmmm... I'm confused!

Do you notice any performance lag when in wireless and first-person shooter games?

Finally, can you hookup your mouse with the wire to recharge it's batteries?! Or is it not rechargeable?!

 

Seriously, there is no better mouse in it's size class, gaming or otherwise.

As the other poster said, you're always going to have a wakeup lag when using a bluetooth mouse. Any bluetooth mouse. It's comes standard to conserve batteries.

And you want a bluetooth mouse because you need that extra USB port for an XBox controller wireless adapter or a Logitech G13 right? Otherwise if you're going to use a USB port for your mouse than get a true gaming mouse.

Of course the Orochi does both.

There is nothing else in it's class, any bluetooth mouse will have 2-3 sec. wakeup lag when running wireless, and it looks so fly and Pimp next to the M11x.

I don't like small mice. I love this one.

Buy it without regrets and don't look back. The Orochi is a Bentley, anything else is going to be a Toyota.

Buy it. You won't regret it.

 

It's 2 seconds. However, if you're playing a fast-paced game where your mouse is always moving, you won't notice. I believe that is what the other poster had meant.

There is an 8ms lag with any Bluetooth mouse. Some people notice this, some people do not. Nobody can say whether YOU will notice it, because we don't know how sensitive you are to mice movements.

No, it is not rechargeable. It uses alkaline batteries, not rechargeable. Hooking it up via USB simply stops draining battery. They reportedly last about 1-3 months of use.

 

Eh, I disagree. I'd rather have a Logitech G500 for a corded mouse, or a Logitech Performance MX for a wireless mouse. I don't buy into the sometimes-wired-sometimes-wireless mouse. I still think it's a gimmick.

That's what I don't get... if Bluetooth sucks so much as a mousing technology, why bother using it at all?

Yes, I can see how freeing up a USB port would be an advantage. But anytime you game with the Orochi, you have to plug it in via USB anyway. so unless there is a device that you specifically unplug when you start to game, you're not really saving a USB port.

I'd rather have a mouse that is a 100% fantastic corded mouse, or a 100% fantastic wireless mouse. The idea of a mouse that is 100% great at corded, but 50% great at wireless doesn't make any sense to me.

I will give you credit, that the Orochi is a nice-looking mouse.

Price aside (since the Orochi costs close to any other mouse that it competes with), sometimes a Toyota is the better car to get the job done. When I drive my Bentley out, I constantly get stopped by people asking if I have Grey Poupon. I never get that in my Toyota.

 

And we care because?

not being funny but bragging about your rig (which leaves much to be desired anyway) is hardly relevant to the topic.

Ontopic : Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse, ive been through many Mice (razor/msi) but the Logitech has always stayed true. Its durable, comfortable, customizable and very cheap.

Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse (910-000616) [910-000616] Keyboards and Mice Gaming Mice

 

I actually have that mouse. Have had it for years now. I just wanted something for gaming on the go and I was hoping there would be a wireless option somewhere...

 

^^ Do not get the logitech mx518. Its crap. Ive had a couple break in me within years! The right button is always known to die out...worse investment!

 

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No, j/k. I'm sorry to hear that you've had such bad luck with your Logitech mice. I currently own 3x Logitech MX518's and 2x Logitech G5's, some of which I've probably had for about 4 or 5 years. I've never had a problem with any of them.

 

My Logitech MX518 is a classic and hasn't given me any issues since the day I got it about it 4 or 5 years ago. It's a keeper!

But back on topic, for mobile gaming...

 

The other neat thing about the Orochi is it comes with a small divided bag. The cable in one half, the mouse in the other. It really makes for a nice, convenient portable setup.

 

Well, that Logitech doesn't qualify as for what I mean in terms of "size and classic" that's a regular full sized mouse. I'm talking about laptop/netbook micro mice. And in that sense, imho there is no better than Orochi.


I'm 36 years old and don't have as much of my ego wrapped up in wins or losses in a fps. If I get fragged once as the mouse wakes up, I'll take the hit rather than lose a USB port.

Again, I don't plug in my Orochi. I feel the delay in wireless/wired is negligible for the kind of casual gaming I do is not worth losing the USB port over. I need that port for either my Logitech G13, or my XBox controller adapter, or to attach my wireless keyboard (I'm a writer. Need a bigger keyboard at times)

Admittedly, if the M11x came with 4 USB ports like my Asus G73, there's a good chance I would not have gotten an Orochi.

Let me reiterate, that for me, losing the USB port is %75 the deciding factor in my decision to buy the Orochi. The other %25 was due to size. With it being the only bluetooth micro mouse on the market designed for gaming. I also own the Razer Mamba, the Sidewinder X8 and the Logitech MX1000. None of these fit in the travel bag/carrying case that fits with the M11x. You have to get a bag for a full size notebook just to carry a mouse.

With the Orochi, I can fit my M11x and powerbrick, the Orochi and my Logitech G13 gameboard. All in a bag designed for a 13" Macbook sold at BB (sorry that I can't remember the brand. It's not here) - None of the other mice would fit.

The mouse IS %100 great wireless. The complaints about it are being overexaggerated and are nitpicky. Unless you're a competitive gamer in a league playing for $$ on a team where every frag counts, than the bluetooth wakeup issue might be legit. But I don't believe any competitive gamer at that level would be using a cordless mouse anyways, so as far as I'm concerned, it's a moot point of contention.


And, as you agree, it compliments the asthetics of the M11x like no other. Every other micro mice next to it looks like it came from your Grandma's office. The Orochi looks Pimp.

Props to you for not being a hater.

While many of your responses made a lot of sense and had valid counterpoints, this one to the analogy is where you lose me.

No modern day Bentley is going to get you stopped asking for Grey Poupon. What it will get you is girls stopping you and asking you for your phone number.

That being said, Bentley wasn't the car I was thinking of when I typed that but rather an Aston Martin V8.

And since I also am a fan of Toyota and prefer Japanese cars to all other makes (and I come from a family of Chrysler dealers) - let me ammend the analogy by saying:

When you get an Orochi, you're driving an Aston Martin. Anything else and you're driving a GM.

Again, I'm talking about laptop/netbook micro mice. For sure there are better mice on the market.

But for a travel/micro mouse designed for gaming? The orochi is your only bet, the same as the M11x is your only bet if you want a real gaming machine in an 11" netbook.

Cheers

 

been using the orochi for the past week and i love it, im a small guy so the size doesn't brother me. i need to get use to the right side of the mouse

 

I agree with everything Arak-Nafein posted on page 1.

I own an Orochi and it is my only mouse for my m11x. Heck, I can even use it for Supreme Commander 2 wirelessly. When I really need to game accurately, I plug it in.

I also recommend the Kabuto mousepad since it makes a perfect screen protector when you close the lid.

This setup is perfect for use with my lapdesk. Small footprint mouse, pad and m11x... bliss

 

same here. 100% recommended. I too had Orochi for a long time in fact I got it upon launch for my previous lappy. And it works extremely well with my M11x too. I think this mouse suits this laptop more than my previous

a side note about kabuto, yes something great for this laptop to go along if you have that extra cash too. serve very well as a your screen protector when you close your laptop and work well with your Orochi as a mouse pad. Best combo!

 

Mamba or nothing if you are looking for wireless gaming. Rest are kinda laggy...

 

I have the Mamba and while it is definitely the best feeling and performing mouse, the battery life on it is absolutely horrid and there is a QA control issue with them as well.

That being said, I still love it.

 

Mamba is not truly wireless IMHO. Anything you rely on a base to work isn't truly wireless. The Logitech wireless mice can get through because their wireless adapters are tiny and can remain plugged into the laptop without noticing. Sorry but the Mamba and X8 are off my list. I still have my MX518 for when I'm home.

 

I have to agree with you there. The Mamba mouse itself is wireless, but the gigantic and bulky base station that you need for charging and wireless operation makes everything not really "wireless".

I would consider Bluetooth mice to be wireless, as well as any mice with tiny slim-profile adapters. I, myself, am partial to the Logitech mice that use the small adapters.

 

I had an Orochi for about 30 days. Loved the performance, and the drivers worked surprisingly well. It completely died, fortunately before the return window expired. I've never had good luck with Razer mice, from malfunctioning hardware to buggy software. I'll be sticking with Logitech mice from now on.