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    No Removable battery

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by townfries, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. townfries

    townfries Notebook Consultant

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    I'm considering buying but then I saw in one review that it has no removable battery. Isn't this a bad thing if I plug it into the wall frequently?
     
  2. madchild

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    no its not a bad thing
     
  3. CristoWall14

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    MaxGeek Notebook Evangelist

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    A really nice feature of the M11x (and most Alienwares) is that you can disable battery charging in the bios. This will help preserve the battery from those minor charges.

    The battery can be replaced pretty easily. Like changing out ram.
     
  5. townfries

    townfries Notebook Consultant

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    thanks for the link, it says it will lose charge cycles and accelerate aging. Isn't that bad?
     
  6. CristoWall14

    CristoWall14 Notebook Consultant

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    Well, in that case, you just need to disable the battery via the BIOS.
    Still, those are little details. As MaxGeek said, you can still replace the battery, and it can last between 300 and 800 charges! Count that as 2-3 years minimum.
     
  7. townfries

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    Alright, thanks for the help. Guess I should worry more about the super reflective screen. I think it's possible to use it as a mirror lol.
     
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    MikeeDinh Notebook Evangelist

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    wait so if i go in to bios i could disable the battery so it would run off the charger? o_O
     
  11. Noah14

    Noah14 Notebook Evangelist

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    Of course, where else will it get it's power?

    Though I could of sworn reading somewhere that the laptop automatically stops charging the battery once fully charged. Maybe I am mistaken.
     
  12. MikeeDinh

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    lol k cool cause the only time i unplug my laptop is when im traveling
     
  13. MaxGeek

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    What you are doing is disabling charging, not disabling the battery. The laptop will still run off the battery or the charger, but it will stop charging the battery no matter what.

    So if your battery is 92% or 1% it will not charge it, but it will run off the battery if the charger is not plugged in.


    Yes, but what if the battery is 95%? It will still charge and that will put wear on the battery.
     
  14. Noah14

    Noah14 Notebook Evangelist

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    Ah, got ya.
     
  15. mbrinton91

    mbrinton91 Notebook Geek

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    I'm confused too - if it automatically stops charging the battery only on a full charge (100%), wouldn't it constantly be stopping the charge, then starting the charge back up the moment it falls to 99%, then stopping again - and wouldn't that wear down the battery?

    I think what would make the most sense if you could customize a certain percentage above which the laptop wouldn't charge the battery - like for example you could set it to 60%, and whenever you plug it in if the battery charge was below 60% it would charge it fully then stop the charge, but if it's above 60% it would run the laptop directly off the charger and not charge the battery. But idk - how does it really work? It sounds to me from reading this thread like you have to disable charging from the BIOS - but wouldn't that mean that you'd have to reboot to the BIOS every time you wanted to run the laptop off the battery? :confused:
     
  16. namaiki

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    On most laptops, if the charge is 95% or higher, the laptop will not charge the battery.
     
  17. kent1146

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    I think that you're getting confused by having too many options and too much control.

    Here is the way that every laptop in the entire world works, including the Alienware M11x.
    1. When you are NOT plugged in, the laptop runs off of battery power.
    2. When you ARE plugged in, the laptop runs off of wall-power.
    3. The wall-power adapter often supplies more power than is needed to operate the laptop. Any extra juice is diverted to charge the battery.
    4. Once the battery reaches 100% charge, then the charging stops.

    Here is the way that the Alienware M11x BIOS option to disable battery charging works:
    1. When you are NOT plugged in, the laptop runs off of battery power.
    2. When you ARE plugged in, the laptop runs off of wall-power.
    3. The wall-power adapter often supplies more power than is needed to operate the laptop. However, if wall charging is disabled via BIOS, then the battery is not charged.

    The BIOS option only affects battery charging. It does not affect operating off of battery power. It does not "disable" the battery altogether.

    And unless you know what you are doing and have a very specific reason for disabling that BIOS option, don't mess with it.
     
  18. townfries

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    Thanks for the clarification. But why do you suggest not using that option? It's good to prevent it from getting any unnecessary charges
     
  19. kent1146

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    And what's the benefit of manually preventing any unnecessary charges? Your laptop will automatically stop charging your laptop battery once it reaches 100%.
     
  20. jpyaa

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    Well guys I having one problem with my battery. I have this laptop for a week and I installed battery bar.

    Im the beginning the capacity of the battery was 70.000 mwh and one week after it's showing me 69.010 mwh.
    Why I'm losing capacity?any ideas?
     
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    Well, my capacity still stay the same but the "full lifetime" is decreasing a lot, 30 minutes already and it's only been a week of usage. I've noticed that when I use ac power and disable charging through bios, it slow down the process a lot.
     
  22. Teh N00b

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    Anyone know if it's possible to get higher capacity batteries? I'm slightly jealous of my friend's Asus UL30Vt because his 8 Cell has 83000mWh (or thereabouts) compared to our measly 68830mWh. That much mWh allows him to get about 11 hours of battery life (with identical specs as us when using integrated graphics). The only difference between the two laptops is that we have a kick- graphics card while he has a G210M.
     
  23. kent1146

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    No, there are currently no higher capacity batteries than the current batteries. And there is likely not going to be, since the battery is internal (a larger capacity battery would require the battery to be physically larger... and there obviously isn't any room for the battery to be larger).

    And I wouldn't worry too much about your friend's laptop having longer battery life. Just think about it this way - you may be tied to a wall power socket more than your friend, but you're spending that time playing the latest and greatest games. Your friend... well... he's got a lot of battery life, so he can play Freecell while unplugged.
     
  24. Haisk

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    How do I access BIOS to stop the battery from charging? and what do i do from there?
     
  25. kent1146

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    When your computer is booting (the Alien head on your screen), hit F2. You will enter a screen with blue and white text.

    Go to Advanced --> Charger Behavior --> Disabled. Your laptop battery will now no longer charge when it is plugged in to AC. If you are doing this for the purposes of trying to preserve the life of the battery, then get the battery charge to 40% capacity, then disable charging. LiIon batteries do not like being constantly held at 0% charge or 100% charge, due to the chemistry behind them.
     
  26. Haisk

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    thanks so much! I'll do it soon :D
     
  27. darkdomino

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    Just like charging your cell phone, the M11x has mechanisms to prevent "overcharging" and damaging your battery from being plugged in all the time. That said, it's always good to completely discharge and recharge your battery every so often. Your battery will deteriorate regardless, that's just the nature of lithium technology... Eventually you will have to get a new one.

    and whoever told you the M11x doesn't have a removeable battery is wrong. A laptop without a removeable battery? Think about that for statement for a second.
     
  28. Neil McRae

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    the battery is user replaceable also.
     
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