M11x New Gpu Coming Soon!!!

Well nvidia just updated there mobile GT line and i just talked to a few more reps and they confirmed a new gpu will be in the m11x within months or month hopefully within a month but alienware loves there testing before they push a product. what GPU do you think will find its way into the m11x?my bet is the GT435m, i really want a GT445m tho. whats ur guess?

 

There is no way it will be a 445M, since it consumes around 45 Watts (source: NVIDIA GeForce GT 445M - Notebookcheck)
I also doubt it will be a 435M, because it still uses a maximum of 40-45 Watts ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-435M.35836.0.html), which is still way too high to put in the M11x. Unless Alienware says: "Screw battery-life!". But I really doubt they will.

My guess is it will be the 425M, which has the same amount of shaders as the 435M, but is clocked lower to conserve power. Perhaps even the 420M, which still has 96 shaders, but clocked even lower, but my money is on the 425M

 

They had the top of the line 335m compared to the 330m and 325m. I would guess it would be one of the latter ones tho too.

 

I hope they go back to setting performance mode discretely rather than depending on optimus switching.

 

Will we benefit anyway from seeing a new gpu other then dx11 support?

 

Damn....looks like I jumped in too soon.

Oh well, I'm happy with my little beast.

 

I stopped reading right there:

Then I giggled.

 

Eh, I'm satisfied with my C2D. For the R3 (or whatever) I do hope they move away from Optimus as it seems to be causing more problems than solving.

 

Even if a new M11x arrived tomorrow, I would be perfectly happy.
Why? Cause I didn't buy this machine to be the best of the best.
No, I bought it for it's portability, great performance for it's small form factor and great battery life. All of which it still does. Heck, they could release a M11x with a GTX480 inside, and I wouldn't mind

 

445 .. 445... 445... 445... 445... 445... with 192 mbit pipeline!

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StevenX

 

As much as I like having the 'latest greatest', I'm gonna agree with you here. My lil core i7 monster is doing everything I expected it to do. So a newer gpu tailored for this type of pc isn't much of a reason for me to upgrade. However, a considerable CPU update (non ULV, quad core and/or speed boost for example) along with an equally noticeable gpu boost would cause me to bequeath my R2 to an envious son and place a new order.

 

i always wait a while after a purchase before i consider upgrading. if i upgraded whenever a component changed it would be a never ending fight to stay top of the line. i also got to say i agree with noah14 and tazm0n the m11x is plenty fast for my needs. the CPU is fast and the GPU can handle CoD:MW2 at 1680x1050 on high settings, that is very good imo.

 

LOL, the voice of experience....

seer

 

When I was shopping for a new notebook in in April I stopped at the local Microcenter in order to get some hands-on time with the R1. I asked the sales person who was annoying/helping me when she thought they might refresh the model. At the time I was really wanting a core i series system and was thinking it was going to be at least Christmas time before they'd hit the street. She turns to one of her co-workers who she said was the Dell rep for the store and he told me emphatically that it would be June. I just knew he was blowing smoke, but as it turned out he was either in the know or a good guesser.

 

I have to predict Dell will stay in thesame arena for balanced Batteyrlife and power and go with the GT425 which is just above the GT335 on the NBR cpu list. in the Class 2 list and has more performance as well.

Would love to see the 445 but the cost of the notebook would go up considerably with a class 1 GPU. People in the general market won't pay $1500 for an 11" notebook.

Would be nice though but 11" LCDs and 2 hour batterylife won't fly. It seems to be all about battery life with these little guys. Maybe Optimus would make up for the difference.

 

Smart guy. Enthusiats don't realize that 30 FPS minimum is all you really need for smooth video flow. Whether a CPU gets 80 or 200 only adds to heat and batterylife, not to better gaming. Those number are for those who benchamrk and look for higher specs which don;t translate into real world beneift after awhile.

Yeah games will get more complicated and all that but will ALWAYS be three years behind currentbleeding edge becasue most people (even gamers) are using older machines with graphics similar to the GT335 TODAY.

The point of dimishing returns is already here regarding processors. Very few programs written to use 4 cores efficiantly.

I run a musci SW program called Sonar 8,5 which is optimized for Win 7 64 Bit and an I7 quad processor..yet I get well over 24 tracks running just fine on a Q6600 with Win 7 32bit OS and 4GB ram with softsynths and SW efx. Will it run faster on a more up to date system? No bcasue the clock rates stay the same..The latency is what matters. DPC in THIS M11X is 300ms with a 700MS spike..... with everyting running..... WiFi/BT Internet/

So yeah the new processors will deliver another 10FPS but when you are already well over 40 that won't mean much......Maybe turn AA on and ' " screen that won't make a difference. I caertainly cannot see a pixel from a foot away on this or would I want a full1080P screen on a 16' notebook. Blue Ray on a a notebook d' screen doesn't look any better on a 1080P screen as it does on a 1366. Maybe on a 42"...

 

Please quite spreading your FUD.
The difference between 30fps and 60fps is night and day in regards to PLAYABILITY. No we as users might not be able to SEE the difference in terms of quality, but we can feel it.
When I play SC2, I know when it's bogging and hits 30fps range, because everything seems to react slower, but with a faster computer(my desktop) my FPS creeps into the 100 range and everything feels fluid and reacts much more smoothly as time goes on.
When it comes to games, and more fps, the difference is the feel and flow of a game, if your card can't push past 30fps, you will be turning down visual settings just to get it into the 60+ range so the flow and feel of the game is better.
That's why enthusiasts want faster, better hardware.

 

Let's wait until Dell actually rolls out the R3. I'm not springing for it because of the huge price premium that it will have, and not having manual switching though. If Optimus had a manual mode that would be nice though.

 

What Inate8 said.
While 30 is fluid, it does not feel nearly as fast as 60.
Of course, anything past 60 is pretty much nothing.

 

Once you are past 60, you won't notice the difference as dramatically. Either way I have yet to see a game that I had to downgrade to LOW to have a decent gaming session.

 

keep in mind notebookcheck has NO idea what the tdp is on these cards there going off of rumers. nvidia has not released tdp specs on these cards of yet

 

Sorry to be a dumb donkey, but what does TDP stand for?

 

The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, represents the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate.

 

On Anandtech they talk about the GT400M series and the GT435M was classified as the DX11 GT335M upgrade. I doubt that Dell will go for the GT425M as it would be a "technological downgrade".

Quote from NVIDIA 400M: DX11 Top to Bottom Solutions Now Available - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

"The 435M is a more straightforward replacement of GT 335M. (Did someone ask for a remake of M11x with a DX11 GPU? Hopefully they can do something about the LCD this time around….) 335M has 72 cores at 1080MHz, with 34.1GB/s of bandwidth. Unless something changes, 435M will actually have less bandwidth but substantially more computational power—60% more to be exact (plus architectural changes, obviously). This is a pattern that holds throughout the 400M lineup, so NVIDIA appears to be betting heavily that shader performance rather than bandwidth will become important."

I would be very happy with a GT445m also...

 

LOL thank you for the backup JFMeisteR

 

so you have to order a new m11x to get the GPU?!

 

if the m11x gets updated and if you cant find the gpu in any other notebook than yup

 

That or buy the motherboard, assuming they don't change it again.

 

Well, I'm going to wait and see some benchmarks and see if it's dedicated so there's no PB bugs/issues whatever GPU they use.

The wife and I already decided that she is going to take this R2 since it's too troublesome with the Optimus/PB bug, and I'll admit, I do wish the current GPU was a little beefier. And maybe it could be through better driver support, who knows? But, and I'm no expert so feel free to correct me, it seems like a game like Mafia 2 should be able to run a lot smoother considering it's still using DX9.

I for one would like DX11 for Crysis 2 and KOTOR online although I don't expect to see much developer support for DX11.

All that being said, if the R3 is only an upgrade in GPU and there's no better panel or option for one, then I'll wait and see what comes with the "R4"

 

If the new gpu benches from 7-10 fps more on each game (at same detail level as R1/R2) then I'm in. Already have the funds set aside if needed.

If not, I may grab a 15x. BW, StevenX

 

Buy a $1000+ laptop for slight performance gain from existing unit ? You are quite wealthy

15x or asus or msi seems better choice for that kind of investment

 

If I had to pay more than $700 for it I would pass. This thing runs plenty good enough for it's size. Hell I ran FSX on Ultra without a hiccup. I can not see paying $1000+ for these fantastic but, glorified netbooks and certainly would not understand anyone wanting more power and less battery in a notebook this small. May as well get a real Gamer with the regular processors ad high end GPUs for a few hundred more.

 

I don't see a more powerful dedicated GPU as part of the battery life equation. The only thing I'll ever use the GPU for is gaming and it'll be rare or never that I'll be gaming on battery.

 

My XPS M1530 is dying a slow death these days with battery deterioration and hard drive issues, plus the obvious reason of it being outdated. I've been looking into getting an M11X instead of replacing these parts and with all the issues I cant really justify spending money on one right now.

I already have the funds set aside and even with the rumor of a new GPU being released for it I think I'm just going to wait for CES to see what Alienware unveils. Going from a 15" to an 11" is a big jump. I hope they unveil maybe like a 12 or 13" with a non ULV i-series and a more beefy gpu while sticking with the ultraportable form factor. I would be all in if they released something like that.

 

Awwwww...BS..."enthusiasts want mine is bigger than yours benchmarks" If one has to "feel" rather than SEE the difference they are already into the esoteric and away from reality. Like the guys who listen to their Stereo systems and not the music itself. All wrapped up in specs......Specs that the very studio gear where the material was recorded,mixed and mastered in are not even close to!!! I would bet if there were no visual indication of FPS you would not know the difference. Its all about numbers.....Most of today's todays PC LCDs are locked at 60FPS!!! You can lock Halo 2 at 30FPS all day long and "feel" good.
Headroom is nice to have but any game can be played fluidly at a constant min of 30FPS.

Component makers have been surpassing SW requirements for a longtime now and they are hoping people "feel" the differences and SEE the "benchmarks".

That is the only way they will be able to sell $3000 notebooks that cannot in actuality run a game better than a $1600 one. Anyone who bought a $3000 Xtreme core duo notebook three years ago with the top GPU is still way ahead of the game...They just don't know it and keep coming back for more benchmark scores, Windows experience scores, this score and that score and can still play modern games which are not written for todays technology lest they lose sales to people who do not replace their machines every six months.
They have to offer a good "feeling" playing experience to those who don't have 5870 GPUS and do. To those running older machines. This little notebook is more than ample proof of that. I would have never thought this thing would run a program like FSX on high settings. When people were going back to prior versions of FS because FSX could not run on most machines when it was released and has since been terminated at MS due to lack of sales.

Game playing fluidity is all about SEEING.... But hey if it "feels" better to SEE 300000 MARKS and "feel" like you game plays better Thats great for you....and Nvidia, AMD and Intel.

 

That is true but at some point how many will pay $1500 for an 11" notebook with a few hours of battery life. Higher powered CPUs and the newer integrated graphics that have the power of dedicated low end cards just a few years ago will consume battery life.

Now if they can make a netbook that lasts 8 hours on integrated graphics and will offer highend switched graphics, some may jump.

 

The M11x is very much a niche system given it's 3 core strengths.

• Portability - as a sub-notebook it's meant for people on the go who have reason for wanting a footprint that falls into the 13" or smaller range. While the M11x is heavier and bigger than it's 11.6" display competitors, it's still very portable. Great for travelers and people such as me who are often lugging it around with other kit.
  
• Battery life - again for people on the go who need who something that allows them to remain untethered from an AC outlet for long periods of time.
  
• Respectable gaming performance - there are tons of better gaming notebooks out there, but nothing compares favorably when the you factor in the other two key characteristics mentioned above.

It's not top tier in any one of those aspects, but the combination of them makes it a pretty unique product. Once people's needs from their notebook experience starts to stray from these 3 core strengths then the M11x becomes less of an ideal solution for them.

Adding a more powerful GPU to the existing Core i CULV processor doesn't break any of it's core strengths and hopefully adds to the last one in a meaningful way. There's value in that if better gaming performance is what you're after. The question of whether or not the added cost that a new GPU will likely carry with it is something that will vary based on what each individual wants from their M11x.

 

let me tell you, as someone with a 5870, that it is not about bragging rights or some sort of spiritual desire to know my computer is above and beyond. In fact, its quite the opposite. I came from a computer with an 8400m GS with intolerable lag in most games. Even now, while the 5870 runs most of my games with ease, i can still see BC2 dip below the 30 mark when there are lots of explosions/gunshots, and a sudden lag spike, in any scenario is pretty dang annoying and totally interrupts the flow of the game. As you have older and more "adequate" specs, those lag spikes become more frequent, to the point where a computer AVERAGES 30fps but in reality, it bounces back and forth between 20 and 60. The idea behind solid hardware is to play any game in peace, free from disruption.

I apologize for continuing the tangent. Back to discussing the m11x. /endrant

 

Interesting I never had any FPS spikes, and I ran BC2 with single 5870 (due to flickering on crossfire). On the other hand, there's barely time when I can actually play it, without having to spend at least an hour first dealing with PunkBuster.

 

There is a whole lot more than GPU that goes into getting games or anything to play fluidly. The GPU is a huge factor. If I wanted a pure Gamer I would stay away from all quad cores as TODAY most games cannot take advantage of them, I would think the i7 6 series is far better than the i7 quads. Maybe the 8's and 9's can match the single core speeds of the i7 6.

A handful of productive programs do benefit from quad cores..Not many games. I have read GTA iV can use all four cores. FSX is equally GPU intensive than GPU.

The three things mention about the M11 make it unique and I suspect popular

Small "netbook" like
Powerful enough to run games well enough and programs one cannot run on a netbook.
Battery life Portability without battery life makes it useless for many people.

All three need to be present for the M11X to continue its success IMO.

 

That's weird, I have a G73JH-A1 as well, and BFBC2 never goes under 30fps for me. I run everything maxed out on SP and run things at High/Med with HBAO off and it rarely dips below 40fps.

Slickie makes a great point about the M11x and understanding what you're getting and why it's unique. And he's right. I really love my M11x and my G73 for their various and respective unique strengths

 

The existing M11x spec looks amazing still but an even better GPU can't hurt. On the other hand what i would like to see is a better screen resolution perhaps and more importantly and a non-reflective screen. I just hate the mirror effect in screens. It would be great if they could offer both options for R3.

 

So whats the word on this? Anytime before christmas?

 

Well i was told a few days ago by 2 dell reps that October is when they will update the gpu, so i hope its true. my guess would be the 435m.

 

12'' matte screen please! for the love of goooodddddddddd

 

Starcraft 2 + M11xR2 i7 + Logitech MX Gaming Mouse = one hellava expensive experience. :-|

 

One nVidia GT 435M, USB 3.0 and would you care for an Intel i7-680UM 2.53Ghz boost with that Sir? Oh yes sir, you do sir, suits you sir, suits you.

Compare Intel® i7-640UM and i7-680UM

nVida GT 335M

CUDA Cores 72
Processor Clock (MHz) 1080
Memory Clock (MHz) Up to 1066 (DDR3) Up to 800 (GDDR3)
Memory Interface Width 128-bit
Graphics Clock (MHz) 233
Microsoft DirectX Compute, 10.1​

nVidia GT 435M

CUDA Cores 96
Processor Clock (MHz) 1300
Memory Clock (MHz) 800
Memory Interface Width 128
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 7.8
Standard Memory Config DDR3
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 25.6
Microsoft DirectX 11
NVIDIA® 3D Vision™ Ready
HDMI 1.4a Support Support for HDMI 1.4 output enables sending both high-definition video and audio signals to an HDTV via a single cable.​

Hang on a minute sir, you neally forgot your wonky hinges... don't want to leave without a key Dell feature now do we. Remember to hold you mouth right when opening the lid.

Have a nice day.

 

hey thats right the Intel i7-680UM just came out! god that would be so easy to sell a Intel i7-680UM + d11 435m, i would buy that for $1200 base price in a sec!

 

i worry about the heat! the fan is loud as is, stick a more powerful GPU in there and itll be going crazy. dont get me wrong I wish it gets released anyways haha

 

Use a bigger fan