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    NVidia Quadro FX 3700M MXM 2.1 in an Alienware Area-51 m9750?

    Discussion in 'Alienware Area-51/Aurora and Legacy Systems' started by ditchmagnet, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. ditchmagnet

    ditchmagnet Notebook Consultant

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    These are the cards it has, but wont work:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Nvidia-GeForce-G...3#ht_500wt_949 - (I am not selling those, but those are exactly what is in it.)

    Would this card be compatible?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_2522wt_932

    I have tried baking my daughter card, but that didn't work, so I am looking at other options.

    EDIT:
    Or would this work in it?

    MOBL-VF17NB8ESE5SLV M17X NVIDIA 8700M-GT 512 VIDEO CARD - I would prefer the quadro card of course.

    I also have an E1705 with an ATI Mobility X1400 - It can play L4D 2 OK, but I wanted to get something that could play Crysis 2 multiplayer
     
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    I am by no means an expert to the quadro cards so please take what I am saying with a grain of salt. Just as the ebay add reads apparently you can flash the card and viola you have a cheap 280m, ive heard this before but I do not know anyone who has. I DO know that the 280m puts out extreme amounts of heat and I do not think that your lap top can handle such thermal loads. I dont even know if your BIOS would recognize it.

    PS I believe the 8700m should work, wasnt that a factory option for your card?
     
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    I think it was, but I don't know if that particular card is compatible.

    Any other cards that would work in it?
     
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    The 8700m is your best bet, the 8800gtx and 9800m gt that came after will be too hot.
     
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    Think the 8700m would be able to play crysis 2 multiplayer smoothly?
     
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    I havent played Crysis 2 yet, BUT the first Crysis games put a strain on my dual 9800m gt M17x, at only 1280/78? and gamer setteings I only avg 30 fps (barely, if the action got intense it was slow dwon city).

    Every other game Ive played and still playing ie New Vegas, Black ops and Tier one the systems owns at max res and settings.

    Crysis is a rescourse hog, for example its calculating physx's and the environment in areas you cant see yet,

    I think one 8700m might have a hard time, SLI 8700m's might do ok. Again Im only speculating I am no expert by any means on your sytem. Sorry for the long winded post.
     
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    Ya, haha, that is your link. Im not even sure if my system will work with a new card, but it seems like that's the problem. Think you could flash my parent card to a daughter card for me? How much would you charge?

    Seems like the 7950gtx is the most powerful compatible card.
     
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    Do you want me to do it for you or just tell you how? Just so you know, you have to have a working daughter to flash it. If you got a working daughter, you could just use the working parent and use em in SLI.
     
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    That's the thing, I don't have a working parent I can use.
     
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    Yeah. You can either buy one or have someone flash it for you. I could, but I've only done it like 3 times and wouldn't want to mess yours up. Which card of yours still works?
     
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    Well, I assume the parent works but can't tell since the daughter is for sure bad.
     
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    I had the same thing happen, daughter went bad, and the parent is perfect. It could boot though, so I could flash it. If yours can't boot, are you interested in my card, or do you want yours flashed?
     
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    You can boot on just the parent? I don't get anything on screen with either.
     
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    No. I booted it off of both, since the daughter kind of worked, with artifacts, and would boot into windows every like 3rd time. You flash the BIOS on the parent so that it is technically a daughter. You can then boot off of it. If you can't boot off the daughter, its shot. The parent prolly still works.
     
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    I has tried baking the daughter, but it didn't work. But maybe I should try again. What temp did you use? 370f or something?
     
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    I used 385 degrees for 9 min. Let it cool for 15 min at least, if not overnight.
     
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    Trying it again now.
     
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    Let us know how it worked.
     
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    OK, just tried it after baking last night, but still am not getting anything on screen. Tried an external monitor too, but nothing. After it is on a while the fans start spinning, but I am not getting any post codes. It should beep with a bad GPU though right?
     
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    First, again Im no expert and this is just information that I have gathered from others and from my own experience with my lap top. Good luck!!!!
    From what I’ve read in threads on here and on NVIDIA’s SLI web page there is no distinction between what card can be slave and which one can be the master. Yes, once you have installed drivers when both cards are in place one will be the slave and one will be the master and will receive different driver instructions to operate as such. However, NIVIDIA is different from ATI which requires a GPU for master and slave cards in Cross fire.
    Try taking what you call your daughter card (slave), install it in the master slot. Re-boot the computer in safe mode, clean sweep the old drivers, re-start, and re-install whatever drivers you have been using.
    I periodically switch my cards around to spread the work load out as the salve card does not receive the same work out as the master, either of my cards work fine in either slave or master roles once the drivers have been re-installed.
     
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    Here is a cheaper 8700m nVidia G84 256M MXM-III(HE) Video Card G84-710-A2 - eBay (item 330528719942 end time Apr-09-11 15:20:54 PDT)
    6800m nVIDIA GF-Go6800-P-B1 VEDIO CARD - eBay (item 330497464152 end time Mar-16-11 14:23:34 PDT)

    I wont threadcrap you kevmanw4301 but the same seller has 7900m and 7950m for 150$ ;) they don't have SLI tho. They have also sold 9800m GS for about 80$.

    This might work: http://cgi.ebay.com/NVIDIA-Quadro-F...920?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item230f03a2f0
    Good card, low heat but better than 8700m
     
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    Usmc, you are very mistaken. The only card that works on its own is the daughter. It is technically a master. The parent does not work on its own. Nvidia cards have different BIOS's for the daughter(master) and parent(slave). The cards are technically the same, but the software on them is different. Ditchmagnet, if the daughter is in the middle slot and not running, it is shot, and you need a new daughter, or the parent flashed. The other possibilty is that the cards are in the wrong slots. Where are the cards located direction wise when the laptop is upside down and vents facing out? The parent should be on the right and daughter in the middle.
     
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    Thank you for the information, maybe this changed with the 8800m/9800m series of cards. As Ive stated I have swapped out Master and Slave cards, clean swept the drivers, re-instaled, and viola same performance and one card NOT being used more than another because it always used as the master. You are correct both cards run different software, provided by the drivers.

    PS. Just checked my BIOs as read off via GPUZ both master and slave cards have the same BIOs.
     
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    Must have changed after the 7000's. Mine the daughter ends in .27 and the parent in .22 They do run different BIOS', which is what makes them daughters/parents.
     
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    As far as I know, these cards do have different BIOS' (from reading about other people with this laptop/cards). Not of those card you posted niffcreature will work, (I don't think) since they are not quite the same type of MXM.

    Nvidia GO 7950 512MB DDR3 MXM-III(HE) VIDEO CARD - eBay (item 330542625254 end time Apr-14-11 16:19:12 PDT) - that is a MXM HE, which I don't think there is room for (even if it was compatible)

    I want something that will play crysis 2 - I dont think the 8700m will play crysis anyways will it?. mxm-upgrade.com said that the GTX280m works, but not on external display, so that does not work for me.

    Kevmanw4301 - the cards are in the right spots. Daughter card is going in the middle area, parent goes in the slot to the side, above the battery. Why are you getting rid of your cards anyways? Also, can you check to see if you get a beep code if you try to boot without a GPU in? I don't get any beep codes.

    EDIT:

    No beep codes with out any cards in, but the broken screen does light up without any cards in, and with the daughtercard in, the screen just doesn't even light up. - So I don't know if that means anything.
     
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    It means its a GPU problem. I am selling mine because I want to get a new laptop, and the 7950 will sell on its own and the rest of the laptop for like $250. The 7950's in SLI will play Crysis 2, dont expect 1080p, but it'll play in, maybe 1280x720 with a mix of high/med detail. Mine played MW2 at ultra detail 1400x900 at an average 60FPS. I heard it's well coded, so it'll run better. A single 8700 wil no way play it, but dual might. I've never heard the 280m working? MXM-HE is not compatible with that, you need an MXM2.1 card. If you can get it in MXM2.1 it might work, but you need to make sure the voltages are low enough that it s properly cooled. I think your best options are finding a daughter 7950 or dual 9700m's. Im going to look into the 280m.

    Edit: 280m will NOT work. The connection is incorrect. Look at the connector tabs on your card and the 280m MXM2.1 type III. Not the same. Ours is, I believe, MXM2.1 Type II. Also, I get no beep codes, just a turned on screen.