Windows 10 Driver Guide ~ M18xR2 and Alienware 18

Just finished installing all of the drivers on my M18xR2. Everything is running great! [This guide should work for the M18xR2, M17xR4 and M14xR2]

Here's a simple driver guide to get windows 10 fully working! This guide will probably also work fine with the final version of Windows 10 when it is released in 2015.

All of the drivers can be used from the dell site, except the realtek media card reader, airplane mode switch and the free fall sensor. I've noted how to get these to work below.

Enjoy!

Aienware OSD

Alienware Command Center [NEED .NET FRAMEWORK 3.5 first! Go to control panel, programs>add/remove windows features!]

Audio Driver

Chipset Driver

Intel Management Engine

Intel Dynamic Platform & Thermal Framework [EXTREME CPUs ONLY!]

Dell TouchPad Driver

Intel HD Graphics Driver

nVidia 344.11 Graphics Driver OR AMD Mobility 14.9 Drivers

For the airplane mode switch and the realtek card reader, go to windows update. The drivers will be there.

For the free fall sensor, download the extracted driver HERE then go to device manager and manually install the driver.

That's it, overall 10 is working great. No problems so far but it's only been a few hours. For wi-fi, just use the default windows wi-fi drivers built-in. If wi-fi doesn't work then try the 8.1 driver for your card. Killer cards seem to work out of the box.

 

So now all I need is Windows 10

 

Technical Preview can be found here: Windows Technical Preview - Microsoft Windows

:thumbsup:

 

Have you tried to game on it? Also is DX12 is there?

 

I'm almost certain DX12 wouldn't be on their.

 

downloading the preview now going to try it in a vm

 

How do you use it in a VM? I was thinking of dual booting but how would make my games work on it?

 

vm = virtual machine, you can get oracle virtualbox or vmware workstation... so the install doesn't touch your stuff... but you can't games in a vm....

if you want to game you better dual booting it.


normally i would highly suggest not to try and gaming with a new windows os because of drive maturity ,,,

but my guess is right now that windows 10.. in fact is just windows 8.3 ish lol so it should work just like windows 8! with a start menu lol

 

No DX12 yet. DX12 will be available in the final version or consumer preview. DX12 requires nVidia and AMD to update their drivers.

Steam and Origin work fine. I played a game and it ran fine. So far it seems stable.

UEFI/Fast Boot allows this OS to boot within 3-5 seconds total, from the Alienware logo all the way to the desktop.

I've already left tons of feedback using the windows feedback app. I suggest anyone else using the preview to do the same. Hopefully Microsoft listens to its customers this time.

I will be installing the rest of my applications tomorrow and see if everything else works. So far it looks to be compatible with most 8.1 compatible applications.


Another thing to note. Microsoft will continue to provide updated builds with fixes/features through windows update. This is a similar process to the mac os x yosemite public beta.

 

i am wondering about the USB3 drivers .... my alienware 18 .. usb3 work really badly on windows 8 , so much i had to go back to windows 7,

hope intel as usb3 driver for windows 10

 

Only problem I am having so far is the Logitech LGS software won't install...won't accept the OS apparently.

EDIT: And nevermind....I am an idiot...also , their new website is just bad. It was giving me the 32bit version instead of the 64 despite me choosing the 64bit.

 

USB3 is native in windows 10. No drivers needed, should work fine.

I'll report back on all of my applications tomorrow as I will be installing most programs I had on Windows 8.1, on 10.

 

Wait, we need drivers for 3.0? What happens if i dont have them installed, they stop working or they work at 2.0 speeds?

 

Only Windows Vista and Windows 7 require the USB3 drivers, otherwise the ports wouldn't work.

Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 have native support for USB3 and do not need any drivers. They already have them built-in.

 

im seeing that windows 10 preview just zapped my 4940mx down to about half its normal benching power lol.. can some body run 3dmark 11 and post what you get please..

 

Sound like Windows 8, LOL. I wonder why Micro$haft hates CPU performance so much? They seem to have a real knack for killing it lately.

Have you tried unparking the CPU cores yet? These retards in Redmond are really hung up on conserving power at the expense of performance. Maybe Windows 10 ratcheted that up a notch for the pansies that are worried about using too much power.

 

Some useful tips.

 

no help.. net 3.5 wont even begin to insatall.. and on 3d mark 11 after unparking cores physics test 1 is only hit 11.5 fps and test 2 is getting 9.5 fps

 

That's why I'm not in a hurry to test Micro$haft's latest crapware. I'm waiting until RTM to decide if I want it. It's just not worth the hassle. The bottom line is--and I know they are gonna cringe if they read this--we don't need another version of Windows right now... burning calories on something so irrelevant is a waste. They just need to fix their current mess before starting another one.

 

To install net 3.5:

Go to the control panel> click programs > turn windows features on and off > check .net framework 3.5



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it's safe to say all of my programs work fine. Even my games all run fine. Haven't tried 3dmark11 though.

 

Do you think i7-4930mx works even worse than 4940mx in the famous new os? :laugh:

 

lol ..see i was a dummy and just installed the update hahah..now my max software wont install as well as hardly any thing else.. Im glad its working fine for you and it looks to have the potential to be a great windows 7 replacement..but as of now i wish there was a way to undo this crap.

 

For software that doesn't install try right-clicking the installer>go to the compatibility tab>try windows 7 or 8 compatibility.

Since this is a new build, software installers that don't allow installation on unknown builds won't work. Compatibility mode is your best bet.

 

Super, thank you very much for posting this, brother ssj92. I'm currently running a dual boot setup with Windows 7 and 10 on my desktop, but this will really come in handy if I decide to switch to 10 on the M18x-R2 down the line (currently, the main thing that's preventing me from it is that I can't properly sort the entries in the "All Apps" section in the Windows 10 Start menu. I hope they will tweak it in time for launch so it has the functionality like the "All Programs" in Windows 7 so I can properly move entries there into folders and sub-folders and organize to keep it clean like I love to do in Windows 7.

 

Try and leave as much feedback as you can using the windows feedback app that is included. Microsoft said they will consider all feedback this time around, so let's see how the consumer preview comes out.

 

yes windows 8 and 8.1 and 10 as these drivers integrated ... but they do not work well at all .... you plug a usb key or an external hd .. and windows tries to save the planet and then apend ... you heard the device removal device inset song every 1 second .. and it crap out your HD ...

these stupid drivers don't work well at all. stuck on windows 7 just because of that.

 

Weird, never had any of those problems on any of my computers or computers I've used, and most of mine all have 8.1, except my m15x.

 

i swear if all my games would run in Linux and i had all the drivers id swap..

 

I would, too. Unfortunately, Linux has never become the Windows replacement that many thought it would eventually become. Free is a good price, but almost always leaves something to be desired... in this case functionality and compatibility are missing. I believe it will never be fixed, so we have to choose between putting up with Micro$haft's Gestapo way of doing things, or doing without.

When Micro$haft's roadmap to über-monopoly runs it's full course and all machines are required to use UEFI Secure Boot without a setting in the BIOS to disable it, it won't matter anyway. Linux will no longer be bootable on a PC unless they pay ransom money to the Redmond Mafia for a digital signature. And, we can guess where that will lead.

 

nvamsi.inf_v344.24_All_AW_680M_780M_880M

 

not really, i have my windows 8.1 and server 2012 run just fine. had difficult time to find drivers to install back then but once some changes are made they all install and work.

 

STRIKE TWO...

I installed it on the Alienware 18 today. The UI is much better and I really appreciate those changes. It's closer to Windows 7 in form and function, and I am happy about that. However, the performance decline from Windows 7 is even more pathetic than Windows 8 is. I ran about a dozen benchmarks (synthetic and game benchmarks) under Windows 8.1 Update 1 to compare and the poor results are both shocking and disappointing. I realize this is a "preview" product, but man... it's terrible in comparison. And, it appears the RTC problem that Windows 8 was famous for STILL isn't fixed. There are some major graphics rendering issues with SLI enabled (flickering, lines on screen, flashing) on certain benchmarks and games. This is something I would expect in a low-budget console game ported to PC, not from a Micro$oft operating system.

Hopefully, the RTM will not be similar to this tragic mess. Otherwise, they will need to name it Windows Downgrade 2.0 (meaning the second generation of performance degradation). I will post some before and after performance data in the next day or two. I am still working to try to get a couple of games to run stable enough to complete some benchmarks that I ran under Windows 8.1 for comparison.

I am really disappointed... Micro$oft has been doing Windows too long to have an excuse for botching things this bad. They should be ashamed for putting this out as a consumer preview. I was hoping Win10 would make up for the performance degradation in Windows 8, but it's shaping up to look worse, not better, at least for now.

Edit: Teaser in spoiler... not much to happy about right now.

Spoiler

I sure hope we are not seeing a nasty trend with Micro$lop operating systems. They certainly are off to a rough start.

Look at this garbage... identical settings... seems like more of a CPU killer than Windows 8 has been...

3DMark Fire Strike: Windows 8.1.1 versus Windows 10

3DMark Vantage: Windows 8.1.1 versus Windows 10

Under DX10 the new OS does not even recognize the 780Ms for some reason. Strange that it identifies the GPUs under DX11, but not DX10.

I will post more results in a day or two, but wPrime and other CPU intensive testing is looking kind of ugly for Win 10... really begs the question if everyone at the Redmond campus is retarded. I get that it is a "preview" version, but they sure have a LOT of stuff that needs to be fixed before this will be RTM.

 

That's very interesting. I wonder how gaming fps relate between 7, 8.1 U1 and 10 preview then. I should have compared them before reinstalling. I've heard windows 10 giving better fps over 8.1 in games, but benchmark wise it looks to be a downgrade.


Wonder if Vista SP2 + PU1/SPU benches higher than 7.

 

Nope, so far it looks like somewhat lower FPS in games for Windows 10... at least on the popular titles I have tested so far. I am also seeing some stability issues with a couple of titles crashing. Assuming I can tolerate it long enough to go through the motions a little longer, I will be posting a lot more performance data in the next few days. I had to stop this evening because I was too disappointed with what I am finding to continue the testing. I may end up getting pissed off bad enough to restore my Windows 8.1.1 image until I have time to cool down a bit.

At first blush it seems like everything works well. All Windows 7 and 8 drivers are working fine on the Alienware 18 with Windows 10. I used j95's INF mod to install display driver 344.24. But, looks can be deceiving. It's definitely not all sunshine and roses when you start putting it through the wringer. Windows 8/8.1/8.1.1 was a performance downgrade from Windows 7. With a few rare exceptions, games and benchmarks are better with Windows 7. This is especially true where CPU performance or pre-DX11 titles are concerned and I have posted numerous synthetic and in-game benchmarks that demonstrate the decline in performance. It looks like Windows 10 may take the performance downgrade another notch from the 3 flavors of Windows 8.

I bet they will use some kind of hokey baloney excuse about enhanced security being the basis for the performance downgrade instead of making it run well. They already use that excuse for Secure Boot, Secure Flash and other new technology cancers. The cynical part of me wonders about legacy Direct3D support, too. I wonder if they are going to fabricate some stupid yarn about DX10 and older D3D versions being a security or exploit risk and leave us with useless Steam libraries as a cover-up for pushing new hardware and game sales.

I do give some credit that the Win10 UI is a major improvement from Windows 8.X.X but it still leaves a lot to be desired...

• Still no Aero window border transparency
• Still only using black title bar text that doesn't show up well with dark border colors
• Still abusing the dull-looking pastel color schemes, but now even the icons are boring
• Still wasting screen space on tacky tiles (just using a bloated start menu for tiles now)
• Still delivering lackluster performance like Windows 8

Between the dumbing down of performance on the mobile hardware side of things, with so much focus on "efficiency" and what appears to be an ugly trend for performance with Micro$haft operating systems, it's getting hard to keep a positive attitude on technology. I get that it is a "preview" version, but they sure do have a LOT of stuff that needs to be fixed before this will be an RTM-grade OS.

After seeing Brother Johnksss's 5960X and GTX 980 3xSLI benchmarks in the M18x benchmark thread, I am about ready to just say to heck with the laptop scene, LOL. Looks like too much on the horizon is probably going to be really lame on the mobile side of things. Even if 980M turns out to be a screamer, most of the new notebooks look as though they are being equipped with garbage CPUs, so 980M alone isn't going to atone for the unpardonable sin of shipping a system with crappy CPU that cannot be upgraded.

 

Yeah the laptop scene (performance-wise) looks to be more and more disappointing. I highly recommend leaving feedback using the windows feedback app built into windows 10. The more microsoft hears about an issue the better, for us.

Although, I seriously am curious about the whole Vista SP2 vs W7 SP1 thing. I don't know if it has been done before.

Also a desktop will always give you the best performance. We finally got 8-core CPUs this gen (Haswell-E) although they've been available since Sandy Bridge-EP on the server side. We still have no news at all on a 6-core mobile CPU, even though I believe broadwell can probably do it @ 14nm with probably a 67W TDP.

If anything we're seeing more soldered CPUs. There were rumors of desktops also getting only soldered CPUs except the HEDT(High-End Desktop) market.

With Windows 10 we're getting DX12, although Microsoft will enable most directX 12 features through directx 11.3 for Windows 7. The thing with windows 7 is, it won't be here forever, it'll loose support just like the other OSes. If microsoft doesn't fix up windows 10, maybe everyone will have to switch to linux.

 

Yeah, I would have switched to Linux already if it was really worth switching to. I totally love open source aspect of it and have used it casually for at least 10 years. The problem there is Linux is even more lame than Windows in many respects... HUGE loss of functionality and lack of high quality software makes it an unattractive proposition. I have started to switch to Linux several times and I end up going back to Windows after a month or so because there is only so much you can do with an OS that has so little quality software support. It seems like something ends up broken, not working, or needing to be recompiled every time you blink twice. Linux has never properly supported SLI and CrossFire, and probably never will because the developers typically do not function with high-end hardware configurations.

They (Linux Lovers/Windows Haters) have been predicting Linux would displace Windows for years now. I used to believe it would happen, but not any more. I wish it would happen, but I just don't see it. It requires way too much effort for most users, including me... primarily as a matter of will, not skill. And now, there's no time left. Windows keeps getting dumber, but there most likely will not be a bonafide Windows replacement in Linux before Windows 7 support ends.

I guess there is the option of a Hackintosh, but then you've still got functional limitations up the ying-yang with Mac OS; not to mention a whole lot of rigmarole to circumvent the restrictions to using it on non-Apple hardware.

 

Mr. Fox try this INF instead, uninstall DDU 13.4.1.0
Win10 TP

Win8.1

Code:

[Section036]
AddReg = nv_DRS_addreg
AddReg = nv_FTS_addreg
AddReg = nv_commonBase_addreg
AddReg = nv_commonDisplayModes_addreg__02
AddReg = nv_controlPanel_addreg
AddReg = nv_global_addreg
AddReg = nv_miscBase_addreg__59
AddReg = nv_opengl_addreg
AddReg = nv_timingRestrictions_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_Drs_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_cplSetup_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_license_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_nvsmi_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_opencl_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_sysDrivers_copyfiles__01
CopyFiles = nv_system32_copyfiles__06
CopyFiles = nv_syswow64_copyfiles__06
CopyINF = nvvadarm.inf
DelFiles = nv_nvsmi_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_sysDrivers_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_system32_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_system64_delfiles
DelReg = nv_clearRegistrySwitches_delreg
FeatureScore = DA
NVAllowHDAudioPreStage = 1
NVAllowMCVirtualAudioPreStage = 0
NVDefaultBPP = 32
NVDefaultHorizontal = 1400
NVDefaultVertical = 1050
NVSupport3DVision = 2
NVSupport3DVisionForOEM = 1
NVSupportDisplayUpdate = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceExtendedOptions = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceOEM = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceUDA = 1
NVSupportPhysx = 1
RegisterDLLs = nv_common_registerdll
AddReg = nv_HDAudioInstall

[Section036.CoInstallers]
AddReg = nv_commonCoinstaller_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_coinstaller_copyfiles

[Section036.GeneralConfigData]
MaximumDeviceMemoryConfiguration = 80
MaximumNumberOfDevices = 2

[Section036.HW]
AddReg = nv_msiSupport_addreg

[Section036.Services]
AddService = nvlddmkm, 0x00000002, nv_nvlddmkm_serviceInstall

 

Thank you, j95. I will give this a shot tomorrow.

I just imaged both of my OS installations on the M18xR2 so I can clean install Win10 on that machine also. It will be interesting to see if one sytem responds better or worse to the new OS than the other one does. It seems that Win10 really did a number on the Alienware 18 performance, especially hurting Haswell the CPU.

Are you finding Win10 to be the same, better or worse performance as Win8 on the M17xR4? Are those Fire Strike scores higher with Win10? (If I am reading it correct, only 1 point difference, with the one showing the time measurement error being Win10.) I see your physics score dropped as well. What about 3DMark11 and Vantage? I am also curious what you are seeing with DX10 behavior.

I hope it does not take BigMuscle long to release AeroGlass for this version. I instantly hated not having window transparency. I checked on his web site and forum, but it looks like only his designated test group has AeroGlass for Win10 right now.

 

I think Linux should support SLI soon. SteamOS will have proper nVidia drivers and I'm sure they'd have to also include SLI support.


It will be interesting to see how the M18xR2 does with 10. Another benchmark to try is the heaven valley benchmark on the extreme preset.


I think we need nVidia to release an official (beta of course) driver for Windows 10. Maybe that would help. We are using a Windows 8.1 driver right now.

 

What I Wonder about is: Under AS SSD and CRYSTAL DISK MARK MARK tests, Windows 7 is faster in these tests than Windows 8.1. Is there anyone who can test how Windows 10 is compared to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 during these tests? :hi2:

 

Here's a teaser... It's late, so I won't bother posting all the links and screen shots, but if anyone doubts the results I certainly can. The GPU performance is a minor downgrade, but the CPU performance is the second downgrade since Windows 8. Not a good trend happening here.


Time permitting, for my next trick I may triple boot the M18xR2 to show the two-tiered downgrade and gap in performance between Windows 7 and Windows 10.

And, another round of this cannot be excused, preview or not. Any wagers on whether they leave it broken like Windows 8?
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Before we extend too much forgiveness to Micro$haft and trivialize the difference in performance, remember that gap might be wider than what you might think by looking at inaccurate numbers. The numbers may be "fluffy" because there is something they need to hide.
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Do you think you can test with AS SSD and Crystal Disk Mark too. It is also the case that AS SSD and Crystaldikmark score is lower with Windows 8.1 an better with Windows 7.

 

Sure, that could also be interesting if those number go south them, too. If I have time, I plan to gather a lot of more incriminating evidence like this to post in the Windows Technical Preview feedback forums. The more, the merrier. There were enough Windows 8 Kool-Aid drinkers that they got away with more than enough software engineering lameness in Windows 8 without be called out for it. That needs to change. If we don't hold them accountable for their incompetence, the average consumer won't even know they are being shafted. It would be easier if they would just be awesome like they used to be, but I don't mind using public ridicule as leverage if that is what it takes to get them to pay attention.

Did you know that RAID0 TRIM support is also hit or miss in Windows 8? There is a reason they need to have an extra manual tool for TRIM under Windows 8. It works flawlessly for me in Windows 7 without user intervention, but the trimcheck utility shows it only working sporadically in Windows 8.

 

Mainly FireStrike issues/readings ( run installer as administrator), CPU hit 300-400 points. Differently 3DMark11 cpu scores are similar to win8.1.
Before reinstalling drivers, try importing Game/Driver profile using NV Inspector 1.9.7.3, previous inf enables DSR on desktop kepler cards, is the option available under NVCPL/Manage 3D settings?
Win8.1.update 2 also broke DX10, haven't tested it yet.
Don't remove the watermark. it will bring all sort of issues.
Fix:
sfc /scannow
If it doesn't work try this:
cmd (Admin)

Code:

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth /source:wim:F:\sources\install.wim:1 /limitaccess

"F" the proper assigned letter to the USB stick.

I tested out the first AeroGlass win8 version, but I'm not an active forum member...it should be out soon.
The OS still looks like Win8.2 rather than '10', definitely not enough to convince win7 users. Ball mer's legacy...:hi2:

...time for my smartphone benchies... ... ...

 

From what I've heard so scores Windos 7 approximately 10% higher in AS SSD test than with Windows 8.1. This is very significant, if this trend is also with Windows 10 What do you think the score is then compared to Windows 7? :cry::thumbsup:

 

Well, the story on performance seems to be equally unimpressive with the M18xR2. I will post more data on that when I am finished compiling it.

Installation was quick and painless on the Alienware 18 and M18xR2. All drivers except Intel RST, NVIDIA, FreeFall Sensor, Alienware OSD and Command Center were resident natively. I am seeing the same severe artifacts running 3DMark Vantage on both machines and on 3DMark 06 the GTX 780M cards on both machines are identified as Generic VGA. It's odd that DX10 and DX11 benchmarks identify the video cards correctly, but DX9 does not. I hope that is not a bad sign that they are going ditch DX9 support. That will leave us with some big Steam libraries that would be useless on Windows 10.

I have already started offering very blunt feedback to Microsoft and being highly critical of the OS shortcomings using their Windows Insider feedback tool. I am letting them know in no uncertain terms what I am not pleased with. We need them to fix the stuff they left screwed up with Windows 8 before moving forward with Windows 10. Looking at comments similar to those I have deposited, it is nice to see so many other "Windows Insiders" posting equally critical comments.

I do genuinely hope they pay attention and not try to force their own agenda like they did with Windows 8. Perhaps if the volume of criticism is scary enough to them they will feel compelled to pay attention. Fear of failure can be a highly effective catalyst for behavioral correction. It would be nice to have a classic Windows UI option again. They need to ditch the tiles for good, at least as a personalization option and give us back a DWM with full Aero transparency, advanced UI customization like Windows 7 and earlier versions so we do not have to download and install so many third-party fixes and implement registry hacks to correct their atrocities. And, what's up with the extremely BORING icons. The tacky pastel colors and abuse of white background were bad enough in Wndows 8, but these lifeless, colorless icons lack so much character that it's not even funny. Life must be extreme drab for the people that designed such ugliness.

 

(4) Ability to turn off, hide or eliminate Windows Store and all of of the associated CrApps

This point (4) I do not think Micro$oft is going and do, when Windows Store is something Mocro$oft going and focus very much on the future. If they plan and just update and do not charge for Windows they will make money on cloud storage and apps sold in the Windows Store. ] $$$$$$$$/££££££££/€€€€€€€€[/

 

Exactly, and that is one reason why I don't like it. I don't give a rat's butt about them making money from it... OS-sponsored adware sucks, and that's what Windows crApps and Windows Store are all about. The OS should not be a "virtual shill" for Micro$haft and their "partners" LOL. The OS, much like children, is " meant to be seen and not heard." (Anyone remember hearing that as a kid, or am I really dating myself?.)

 

I gladly pay an expensive price for Windows 10 when I'm happy with the new operating system. But it must work well and do not have garbage that I'm not interested in. It is tragic if we have to accept small software that integrates within the operating system from Microsoft's partners and reduces the performance, if they decide that all patches of Windows should be free.

 

Honestly, I have not identified even one Windows 8/10 modern app that something else does not do just as well or better. With possibly a few exceptions, most of it is just pure garbage, and I have not yet found one app that I consider to be worth a price greater than free. This is probably the most disappointing thing they have done with an OS starting when Windows 8 was launched. Basically, they have packed it full of worthless bloatware, with links to download even more bloatware, and they are peddling adware, which not long ago was considered taboo by most self-respecting enthusiasts. The folks in Redmond are so far out of touch with reality that I have little hope they will ever get their collective heads screwed back on straight again. I guess the iPhone, iPad and Android phones and tablets, set the stage for Windows to fail in this way. I just thought these people were a little smarter than to launch a stupid convergence between a PC OS and a smartphone OS, but I clearly gave them more credit for intelligence than I should have. We may be back on the road to recovery, but there are enough remnants of the Windows 8 Modern UI lingering in Windows 10 that it's still leaving much to be desired.

I acknowledge much of this is my own personal preferences, but I don't like "interacting" with computers. I want to give them orders, have them blindly execute on them swiftly, and do so without any kind unsolicited response. And, to stop and think that UAC prompts, system tray information balloons, Windows Security Center pop-ups and Tool Tips used to drive me nuts... this OS and Windows 8 takes that nonsense to a whole new level of stupid, LOL.