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    Where to get gtx 1070 for m18x r2 upgrade?

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by nobodyserio, May 30, 2019.

  1. nobodyserio

    nobodyserio Notebook Guru

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    Everything works quite swimmingly with my m18x r2, but since I like to go for the fullest and have confirmed the information several times (mostly here), I would like to upgrade to a GTX 1070.

    Since I often read about the card being too big and having several versions for several notebooks, I just simply want to ask which gtx 1070 is compatible with a m18 x r2.

    Which one of these should I take?

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/328...f5-4fd8-a2fb-5dd34b1db47e&transAbTest=ae803_5

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/NVIDIA-GTX-...267554?hash=item1a1c51b922:g:UUsAAOSw7GRZMDjO

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/Clevo-P87xx...357859?hash=item1c7eea22e3:g:t8AAAOSw32lYwGJ8
     
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    1st is very expensive and off poor build quality, 2nd is likely the best that'll work but is also insanely expensive, and the 3rd simply won't work.
     
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    thank you kindly. i am properly better of getting a used one, maybe even the whole notebook for the sake of getting the graphic card.
     
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    I know this is a week old, but you need to get the first one.

    The other two are non-standard MXM 3.0b form factors.

    If you get the second one, you may need a heatsink modification just to install it. Very messy.

    I got the first one, and it went straight in.
     
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    thanks a lot.
    Do you still need an unlocked Bios, or was it just plug and play so to say?
     
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    The first one has a habit of blowing up on people, avoid.

    There is a "dell" type card that is on ebay of late and there has been lots of successful upgrades with it.
     
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    I would consider getting a 1060 or one of the current AMD cards for less money.
     
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    nobodyserio Notebook Guru

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    thanks. I already got an offer for the second one, with pictures regarding trimming.

    Or I could simply upgrade my m17x r3 to r4 with one of these:
    https://de.aliexpress.com/item/3303...89-4318-9287-0380950b1d53&transAbTest=ae803_3

    and then go for a gtx 1080 upgrade, but if I want to keep 3D I wouldn't be able to go higher than 880m(?). And then would the upgrade even be worth if it?

    This annoying lack of support for stereoscopic 3D on the higher nvidia cards is causing unnecessary trouble for my upgrade strategy.

    But alas, thank you for all the helpful information.
     
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    The 1080 will work, but will power throttle and will not yield an enjoyable experience. 1070 is the current best for the R4 until power limitations are resolved.

    880m is the latest card to support 3D, but its a terrible card. OC 780m will be a better match unless you absolutely need the vram.
     
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    nobodyserio Notebook Guru

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    thanks. Then I stay with the gtx 1070 for m18x r2 as a powerhouse and 780m in the m17x for 3D.

    780m for 3D would still need the upgrade from m17x r3 -> r4, right?

    R3 only supports up to 580m, with 3D in mind, if I remember correctly. And 580m is a known horrible card.
     
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    780M will only give 3D in the Alienware 17 R1 + 3d panel, it will not give 3d in M17x R3 or M17x R4
     
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    Thanks again. So it is either staying with 580m, which I know supports 3D or 680m? Or didn't 680m support 3D?
     
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    3D support is tied to BIOS certificate which nobody has been able to reverse. 3D certificate is valid only for whatever NVIDIA GPUs originally shipped with the systems. M17x R3 needs fermi, M17x R4 needs Kepler gen 1, Alienware 17 needs Kepler gen 2 or gen 3
     
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    good to know, thanks you. So I am basicall stuck with a 580m on r3 and no idea what would be the equivalent of the r4.
     
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    660M/670M/675M/680M for R4
     
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    thank you again, then I shoudl really consider upgrading to r4. It is even cheaper in the long run compared to buying these horrible 580m ones again.
     
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    Hi I purchased one from an eBay seller and it worked a treat in my AW 18. Best of all I didn’t have to mod anything apart from the drivers of course which danishblunt did for me. Still going strong. Here’s a few pictures for your reference:
    IMG_1335.jpg IMG_1393.jpg IMG_1394.jpg


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    Just have to run in SG mode or useless a headless DP adapter (iirc) and use an external monitor as pascal doesnt output LVDS :)
     
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    hi guys
    would either of these 2 cards work on an m18x r2?
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1060-6GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-Alienware-Clevo-MSI/202578352916?_trkparms=aid=1110001&algo=SPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=20131231084308&meid=6024aedc5f1f4a84837a84eb0b83cc41&pid=100010&rk=1&rkt=12&mehot=pp&sd=283216747952&itm=202578352916&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Nvid...747952?hash=item41f1089db0:g:6akAAOSwI9FcSEhs

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX1070-8G-DDR5-MXM-3-0-N17E-G2-A1-Mobile-Video-Card-GPU/352688126457?_trkparms=aid=1110001&algo=SPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=20131231084308&meid=18b257e2258645c2a479cc5b2aa08acd&pid=100010&rk=1&rkt=12&sd=153341025338&itm=352688126457&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

    not keen on them being second hand :-(

    would i need to purchase anything else in addition to these cards? bare in mind my previous GPU was disconnected (as apparently it was fried) so i have no GPU atm. perhaps replacement fans / heatsinks (as i am planning on getting a 3920xm too potentially).

    also how much harder is the 1070 to use than 1060? im not keen on drilling parts etc or such mods...ideally plug & play on the build/repair side of things

    also i have windows 7 - i dont need to upgrade to use these cards yep?
     
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    Pascal only works in pure UEFI environment which Windows 7 does NOT support.

    That 1070 will not work.

    3920xm would be recommended, my 4700mq I had previously installed paired well enough with the 1060 but it was hitting the upper limit at times to keep up with the 1060 in certain games.
     
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    The first looks fine, the second won't fit and needs MXM/power delivery mods.
    Second hand cards are fine, especially MXM ones, not like anyone is mining on them or anything serious.
    I believe they may needed heatsinks? as other laptops need it.
     
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    hi guys thanks for response. so just to confirm i can safely consider:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1060-6GB-DDR5-MXM-3-0-Type-B-for-Alienware-Clevo-MSI/202578352916?_trkparms=aid=1110001&algo=SPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=20131231084308&meid=6024aedc5f1f4a84837a84eb0b83cc41&pid=100010&rk=1&rkt=12&mehot=pp&sd=283216747952&itm=202578352916&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109

    it looks identical to the other card btw to me? what am i missing?

    and then perhaps a heatsink just in case? something that would be a beneficial upgrade either way (?) such as this: ?

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Ali...065759?hash=item3b2a4268df:g:JfIAAOSwwPRcWyDk

    would i need fans or anything? assume the default power unit i have should still do the job?

    thanks!
     
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    People mine on everything dude, especially on pascal. Couple of people here have blown motherboards as a result.
     
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    Definitely, but if it where a miner they'd likely be selling them in droves
     
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    Doubtful, it would be the optional miner since most of the time its their personal machines. The PCIe to MXM boards never really saw the light of day unless Eurocom actually delivered on it (which I doubt)
     
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    Not true, pascal cards can run in windows 7 via SG mode, which is the only way to run pascal cards in the M18x R2 anyway unless you wish you turn it into a desktop and use DP out only, but my BIOS patch will allow to use pascal PEG only in legacy as well. @maxslo achieved this with Quadro P5000 in the M18x R2 running Win 7 X64
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m18x-r2-with-quadro-p5000-gtx-1070-is-a-success.813082/
     
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    News to me, I stand corrected.

    I was under the impression that it requires UEFI considering its been beaten in me thus far, didnt know that SG mode would circumvent that as well.
     
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    If I remember correctly this also applies to M17xR4 & AW 17 R1 models as well.
     
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    Correct
     
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    "pascal cards can run in windows 7 via SG mode, which is the only way to run pascal cards in the M18x R2 anyway unless you wish you turn it into a desktop and use DP out only"

    thank you a lot for this statement and also the thread of a another members success with a 1070. I wasn't quite sure why SG mode was essential for this endeavor, but you wouldn't be able to use it with the lcd screen otherwise (as far as I stand on this matter).

    Also for anyone from europe who has trouble finding one that avoids all the dremel parts. Check ebay.com

    The sellers are from china anyway, taobao quite annoying to get in to, and if you have problems buying them (due to tax regulations) just send them a private message.
     
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    best regards, does anyone know if the sli gtx 1070 is possible on alienware m18x r2?
     
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    To the best of my knowledge no it will not work in sli. No LVDS panel

    EDIT: The only reason you CAN get it to work with 1 1070 is because of SG mode (more commonly known as Optimus)

    Would really be dope though.
     
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