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    Unleash the full strength of HD 6970M CrossfireX - Hybrid VBIOS to unlock the virtual cores - a new milestone?

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by sniper_sung, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. sniper_sung

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    *Standard NBR Warning*
    BIOS Modifications, VBIOS Modifications and other system level tweaks can potentially cause damage to your system. Be aware of this before blindly flashing. If you brick your system or cause damage, chances are very high that your warranty will be useless. Know what you are doing, you are responsible for your actions.
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    Disclaimer: I'm just forwarding a thread from another forum. Use your own judgement.

    Source: link1, link2

     
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  2. reborn2003

    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    :eek: :eek: :eek: WOW!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Are you for real! 1920 shaders????

    Cheers. :)
     
  3. johnnobts

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    really cool, too bad its not available to the masses to try out.
     
  4. katalin_2003

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    Ah come on, where's your enthusiasm?!
     
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    was bummed about having 6970ms, but this makes me happy. would love to test this out on my notebook.
     
  6. Speedy Gonzalez

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    so 6970M 960X2=1920 shaders what about 6990M 1120X2=2240 shaders :D basically they are running some kind of Hyperthread thing this is amazing :eek:
     
  7. Aikimox

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    OC'ers and benchers get your guns ready, lol. Nice!
     
  8. oni222

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    Yeah I would love to mess with this or even better to try it on a 6990.
     
  9. Shaden

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    This looks fricken UNREAL !!!

    HOly crap please get a public release ffs !
     
  10. Zero989

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    LOL ???? thats all i have to say. gonna try this asap.

    in one SS it shows 3840 shaders.... >_>
     
  11. oni222

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    I still have my old m18x that I am supposed to send back to Dellienware that has 6970's I would love to try this on that so if you need a beta tester pm me.
     
  12. Shaden

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    Yea... there is talk in the forums about support for the 6990 as well ... this tech looks AMAZING ...

    Hope AMD doesn't buy it up and keep it from us, or if it buys it, realeases it to us !!!
     
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    Google translate : :D

    FAQ FAQ Area:
    1. Why so much virtual core VBIOS upgrade?
    The idea is to take full advantage of the graphics card 100%, previously free are now being utilized.

    2 virtual cores will increase power consumption and power consumption?
    No, because the physical core, or so much.

    3 will raise the core temperature of the virtual?
    Council. Since all of the core is now equal to 100% utilization of previously idle now being used, of course, it will cause a temperature increase.

    4 temperature increase in what rate?
    Ranging from 5 to 10 degrees, the final version of the target will remain within the range of 7 degrees.

    5 virtual core weakness?
    Because it is virtual, not real physical core, it means that in some cases, cause resources to seize, resulting in performance and can not be fully utilized, this BUG to repair.

    6. What kind of machine / graphics card can open the virtual core?
    Whether the machine is the M18x or M17xR3, as long as the official version HD6970M DELL can, non-DELL's HD6970M not, HD6990M can not, will brush brick.

    7. Why VBIOS name is still called Hybrid.BIOS.System (hybrid system BIOS)?
    VBIOS VBIOS or in hybrid based on the development, A03 upgrade was only a symbol, and now as an internal test version, later renamed.

    8 virtual cores VBIOS what environment?
    VBIOS only provide unlocking support, let him play, but at the same time modify the registry, drivers must use a specific modification.

    9 If the out drive and registry support, such as video card plugged in, change to another machine, what happens?
    Then the virtual card will lose the core functionality, the core will be restored to 960, but still has a "hybrid" feature on the new machine can be re-run the installer again to resolve.

    10. It can be restored? How to restore?
    No problem, just use the paste can be restored in the restoration of the initial patch VBIOS: v1.05°æ±¾AMD Radeon HD 6970M³¬Æµ¹¤¾ßÐÞÕý°æ·¢²¼,ͬʱ·¢²¼»¹Ô²¹¶¡ºÍHD6990M³¬Æµ¹¤¾ß-´÷¶ûAlienwareÍâÐÇÈËÂÛ̳-´÷¶ûÂÛ̳
    In addition, the registry without care, but the driver after the recovery VBIOS need to uninstall an reinstall.

    See more evaluation and testing the game:
    AMD Radeon HD 6970M graphics core VBIOS latest developments and virtual testing (additional games testing)
    D version of the measured received virtual core VBIOS, installation, upgrade is very good, to show what fraction of transoceanic

    Development log:
    2011/8/28 4:29
    -Ultimate VBIOS A03 v0.1 start internal testing

    Download
    This project is still in development, a temporary inconvenience for download, documents and serial numbers have been issued to that conditional testing new friend-mail, closed beta, but for safety reasons, to remind your friends about cooperation, not Download leaked in advance, thank you!
     
  14. Shaden

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    THey should finish and sell this thing for like 100 bucks ... they will make a fortune and I will be waiting in line ...
     
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    lol people say the same about the custom bezel matte screen and I don't see many purchasing those

    they say the same about a 4 piped HS and I don't see any development progress

    I will pay $10-$20 bucks that is more realistic and that would make every people to want this :D
     
  16. Shaden

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    i didn't say anything about the bezel ... but the HS ... I would still get that :)
     
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    more google translate :D

    There are many forums on the M18x with HD6970M CF dual graphics friends, may be want to save money, it may be because they have bought too early, but later released HD6990M with 1120 stream processors, coupled with 715Mhz core frequency, AMD claims 20% stronger overall than HD6970M!
    I do not know whether there is a lot of children's shoes regret? Although the ES version HD6970M can be done to open the nuclear 1120 stream processors, but not everyone has a ES engineering graphics, even if the open core may also cause instability results. However, in this, we do not have regrets, because I am also a member of HD6970M, 6970 I have been doing for the optimization, from the initial history of the easiest overclocking process, each drive is optimized to the hybrid VBIOS, we can see I've been optimizing the HD6970M, to help the people.
    Effect generally speaking, has gone beyond the default frequency is very much under HD6990M. But I think we may not yet satisfied with this, so now I will HD6970M bring a new concept: virtual core VBIOS.
    The upgrade will HD6970M graphics performance to a new level, or even can be called HD7000M flagship!

    What is a virtual core
    As we all know, Intel's next-generation i-series processors, all joined the Hyper-Threading technology, simply put, this technology allows a single physical core can simulate another. This is why you only have four cores, but actually in the device manager to see the "8" processors because of the software, and Hyper-Threading technology principles and ideas are essentially the same. If the last of the "hybrid VBIOS" is only a transitional bridge, then this "virtual core VBIOS" will be a milestone!

    Virtual core operating principle and advantages VBIOS
    A graphic scene, and sometimes not one to take the same time hundreds of stream processors, so that is causing the performance to some extent wasted. Virtual core, the core idea is to divide these out so that they parallel processing, then you can make a faster graphics handling and enhanced a lot.

    Small personal note
    Friends yesterday, and a jar of (northern, old altar friends know...) QQ to talk about AW, I suddenly thought of the inspiration for so many years of research on AMD, with the University of Washington where I have to do a compilation of AMD work friends, then help you much.
    However, because this project is almost unprecedented, there is no reference and reference, and all had to start from scratch.

    Having said that, I believe we would like to see results, then for everyone to see, first under the HD6970M OC 800/1000 Video Card:
     
  18. AirJordan

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    Does this mean using this with the 6990m's won't be possible? It's a little unclear to me.
     
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    if all this is real looks like is only for the DELL 6970's but is unclear because I don't trust google translate at all :)
     
  20. Shaden

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    no there was a comment throughout (i read them all) that 6990 will also be supported
     
  21. AirJordan

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    This is going to be amazing if it ever gets released.
     
  22. oni222

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    Indeed! The gains are too good to pass up. What I am curious on is don't the 6970's with this mod actually surpass the current desktop gpu? I am probably wrong but I cannot look it up since I am at work at most the net is blocked by our proxy :(
     
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    Hmm, i'm a little skeptical of this development as SMT (Symmetric Multi-Threading, or HyperThreading) was developed to compensate for the ever-increasing size of the pipeline in Pentium 4 and above processors, by reducing the amount of wasted pipeline stages, keeping the CPU active closer to 100% rather than idle at times.

    As far as i'm aware, AMD's shader pipeline design does not share the same design limitations, and doesn't suffer from the long pipeline starving the GPU. AMD hasn't had a need to implement SMT on their CPUs, either.

    But only an engineer who's worked on the design would really know if the GPU is getting starved, so, maybe they know something we don't :) I look forward to the release!
     
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    Well, since even the most demanding games and apps can't utilize the GPU above 60-70%, if you manage to get it nearly @ 100% - all you need :)
     
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    Does this seem hokey to anyone? I, of all people would LOVE this as I have CF 6970s. However why would it only work on 6970s and not 5870s or 6990s? I know Shaden read that it could work on the 6990s but the articles thus far only indicate 6970. Either way, it is technical way above my understanding but if it sounds too good to be true...and technically two 6970CF with those settigns would eat pretty much any desktop alive and at a cost of 7 degrees heat? WOW. Hopeful but skeptical and there doesn't appear to have any launch date. People that typically get notoriety do release to the public their "skills" and then they get gobbled up by big companies. Nothing in the article hints at a release date, beta etc but I only did a quick read through when I was at work in between sessions.
     
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    tried to register over there in those forums, would love to try this out on my laptop... have a feeling this will not be made available any time soon.
     
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    bah, who cares! we simply need a bios editor that can increase the damn voltages on these cards ad we will be hitting 900+ core!

    why in the world is this type of support ont available to amd but it is to nvidia??
     
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    lol 2 parts ... a) if this technology works, it should be transferable to the 6990s AND the desktop versions ... like ... crazy F'ing powerful.

    b) The voltage would only stack with this ... IF it worked (while true even getting voltage unlocks on the 6970s and 6990s would be amazing) ... combining both of these ... there would be no game in existence that could push a card ...
     
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    I too am a bit skeptical on this. This should be able to work on any AMD GPU if this concept is legit and not allocated to just the Dell 6970M. Also, a Clevo 6970M can be flashed to a Dell VBIOS with no issue so I'm not sure what exactly is different physically between the Clevo and Dell version other than the brand of memory used.

    But if what I am seeing is legit, then WOW.
     
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    Seems hokey to me.
     
  31. Shaden

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    Yea Ichime ... yur dead on. It was commented on the threads (in chinese) about this as well, this will be easily transfered over to the 6990s, no question. IF this is legit, its completely transferable.

    IF you believe the guy (read the comments section) he seems pretty legit, he talks about working for ATI and Intel as a graduate student in the states .... and thats where her acquired the knowledge to do this ... but damn if its done ... its a whole new world. It will have impacts across the board .... we might suddenly be looking at a world where all decent to upper grade GPUs can crush anything out there, and games are simply not capable of pushing GPUs ... thats the reality.
     
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    Compared to what's in todays consoles, I have always felt that our GPU's aren't being properly utilized. I look forward to this, if it is real.
     
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    seems the virtualization would have a performance equal to 1400 ~ 1500 physical cores.

    though i wonder if switching to IGP would still work though?
     
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    I agree 100%

    rep+
     
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    So m18x and m17x r3 and some of m17x r2 owners would have much more better rigs.This is a crazy technology and for like two years or so those owners would max out 99% of games.WOW!!!!
     
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    this is amazing. unreal im buying a m18x as soon as this gets released
     
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    Meh...there is no mention of release date. no mention of anything but hype. this would be better news for single card owners of 580/6990/5870/6990 as it would max anything. Right now CF 5870s practically max everything but benchmarks.....
     
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    I am wondering if this is something that could actually be achieved through drivers rather than vbios since the HW itself is not being altered, just how it is used
     
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    if this is real and i say if, then we will probably not get it as amd will snap this guy up, this would be a massive milestone in graphics technology. think about it, why hasn't amd been able to do this? it would be in there best interest as there graphics cards would be even more powerful than nvidias.
     
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    Kinda seems like this might be fake, since there aint no release and pictures are easy to edit.

    But if it turns out to be true i guess somebody at Nvidia is gonna cry for a long time.

    Also is the other brands 6970m / 6990m that different from Dell offers?
     
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    Hello; If anyone is interested/daring this link has some files available:

    ??????????????? - ??Clevo - ??NB? ????,???????|?????|??|??|??|??|??|??|??|??|??|MSI|LG|???????|Terrans Force|3D????? -

    M18x AMD Radeon HD 6970M CrossFire dual graphics card milestone! Super Hybrid VBIOS on virtual core! !

    Examples:

    Alienware M18x AMD Radeon HD6970M hybrid graphics with HD6990M VBIOS release
    Download: Alienware_M18x_HD6970M_ hybrid VBIOS_A01_v2.1.rar

    And:

    HD6970M overclocking program v1.05 version:
    Alienware_M18x_HD6970M graphics card overclocking program v1.05.rar
    HD6970M overclocking version of the program v1.04 (English interface):
    Alienware_M18x_Graphics_Overclocking_v1.04.rar
    HD6970M hybrid VBIOS:
    (N)
    HD6970M frequency reduction patch:
    Aleinware_M18x graphics one-click restore patch _v1.0.rar
    HD6990M overclocking program v1.06 version:
    Alienware_M18x_HD6990M graphics card overclocking program v1.06.rar
     
  42. Speedy Gonzalez

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    looks like you have to be a member to download anything or they remove the links?
     
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    Hello Speedy Gonzalez,

    Google Translate included the links ????? thanks.

    HD6970M overclocking program v1.05 version:
    http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/for...yMDg1MHwxMzE0MTkzNjUwfDI1NjYxMjM0fDE3MDE0Mzk=
    HD6970M overclocking version of the program v1.04 (English interface):
    http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/for...5YTBkY3wxMzE0MTkzNjUwfDI1NjYxMjM0fDE3MDE0Mzk=
    HD6970M frequency reduction patch:
    http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/for...2OGIzZHwxMzE0MTkzNjUwfDI1NjYxMjM0fDE3MDE0Mzk=
    HD6990M overclocking program v1.06 version:
    http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/for...2ZDYxMXwxMzE0MTkzNjUwfDI1NjYxMjM0fDE3MDE0Mzk=

    Download: Alienware_M18x_HD6970M_ hybrid VBIOS_A01_v2.1.rar
    http://dell.benyouhui.it168.com/for...kMGNiMHwxMzE0MTk0MjYxfDI1NjYxMjM0fDE3MzY3MzE=
     
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    Wait, all they did was take the 6970M bios and change the default frequencies...
     
  45. Shaden

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    Yea that doesn't look like the crazy hyper threading stuff ...

    These people shoudl just download Trixx :p
     
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    Wait a sec, I bet all they did was change the tesselation factor and either photoshop the core count or fudged GPU-Z.

    You have been trolled.

    Any kind of HT has to be hard wired into the silicon, and the concept makes no sense on a GPU. The units are already very narrow and small.
     
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    p8496 3Dmark 11 on 6970's ?
     
  48. Mkkillah

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    How could 6970's ever run at such high frequencies ? (if it is true that they only changed the frequencies).

    And how could they have a closed beta if this doesnt work...

    I'm very interested in how this is going 2 develop XD
     
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    I'm hoping for the best! It may be wishful thinking, and this may be a hoax and/or may never truly be released to the public (at least not without AMD's input), but this would allow our systems to be beasts for an even greater stretch of time. :D
     
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    anybody with 6970ms want to flash their bios with those? Just by running the bios editor looks like the clocks are just upped... My cards have never been able to do higher than 750/1120... I just got my M18x fixed again, don't want to have to call tech support this week.
     
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