Metro: 2033 Redux and Metro: Last Light Redux - Performance Discussion

OK, so I pre-ordered both for $25 combined. Not a bad deal, but both titles ran fine on day one and mysteriously stopped working the next... on the M18xR2 as well as the Alienware 18, under both Windows 7 and 8.1. Really odd, but it appears many are having the same issue where it initially worked and suddenly stopped. Finally got both working again after a lot of fiddle-farting and their patch made SLI stopped working, LOL. I have posts in both of the troubleshooting threads for each title.

Metro: Last Light Redux Technical Support

Metro 2033 Redux Technical Support

Look at this example of GPU utilization, or lack thereof. Before the patch made SLI stop working I was getting between 90 and 120 FPS, but only half that now.



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Dodgy.. they gimp it to run on the consoles and at the same time break it for PC.

 

I think that subtitle shown in my screen shot is very fitting for the game developers, LOL.

 

I'm surprised Nvidia didn't push out a new driver for this considering they're usually on top of their game for new releases before day one. Looks like some Nvidia Inspector tweaking is in order then. Maybe add the exe's for both Redux titles to the Metro LL game profile in the driver?

That screenie is from 2033 Redux, right? God it looks different. Not sure if I'd call it any better though as the lighting/atmosphere is completely changed. But at least it performs better. Original 2033 runs like a turd.

So Redux is 50% off for owners of the original titles?

 

Yes, huge discount for owners of the original titles.

After a couple of days of both titles refusing to run, I'm glad they are working again. It is crazy how many people had it work perfectly on day one and then suddenly stop working. As I posted in the Steam Community less than an hour ago (links above), really weird how they started working. Not sure if that is a coincidence or what. I cannot imagine why installing them on a third system could affect anything, unless it tweaked something really bizarre in my Steam account.

I can probably get SLI working again using NVIDIA Inspector. That screen shot has motion blur enabled. I forgot to turn it off and I just happened to grab the screen shot at the wrong time. Both titles do look a lot better to me. Very nice looking atmosphere. Although motion blur is still skewing it a bit, here is maybe a slightly better example of how it looks... And, Metro 2033 Redux looks equally great. I am going to have to shut that off... I hate motion blur effects.



Edit: might help... haven't tried it yet, but switching between AFR1 and AFR2 are always the first and easiest things I try, and one or the other works more often than not.

 

Thanks, good to know. Last Light Redux seems pointless but I'll definitely pick up 2033 Redux, if only to experience a smoother, more optimized game. Been meaning to play through it a second time on Ranger Mode and do some of the side missions and alternate endings anyway, so this should be the kick in the pants I need. But I'll wait for the game to be fixed first.

Just curious, do the Redux versions have a less nausea-inducing FOV or an in-game slider? Or is it still stuck in tunnel vision mode and the only way to increase FOV is through the config file?

And look what I found, courtesy of the preeminent MaLDo: MaLDo Blog: Custom SLI bits for Metro 2033 Redux

 

I will have to check out the MaLDo mod. Works great for Crysis 3, so I suspect it will work great here, too.

Both of the Redux titles look better and have additional content. The tweaked a number of things, but I don't see a FOV setting in-game.

AFR2 fixed it right up... SLI works fine now. Here are a few screenies with 1080p and 1440p.

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LOL that's an SLI profile not a mod. Your scaling looks like it could use some work (80% GPU usage) so it might be worth a shot.

 

I have to say, I'm a little worried way these relatively new games are being remastered and resold so soon. It's been happening a ton on consoles since they don't have the luxury of backwards compatibility.

 

Well, let's see what (if anything) the desktop jockeys over in the Steam Metro Redux Benchmark thread have to say about this...

 

I bet nothing. They'll probably gloss over it or say how their $1000 desktop does almost as good as your "$5000 laptop". I got told " you are in full denial because you think anything cheaper than your expensive pos laptop i7 can't work" last night when I said I didn't believe BF4 could run at ultra preset at 1080p with a minimum of 60fps on a dual core CPU and a single GPU. We're not very liked

 

LOL, if you do it yourself instead of it coming from NVIDIA I think it is OK to call it a mod. It's not the "original" SLI bit. I set that and it made no difference, but that was just in the benchmark. I will see if it changes anything in the game. Benchmark runs 80-95% on both GPUs.

Just ran the same benchmark on the Alienware 18 with identical CPU and GPU overclock and the results were remarkable similar. Too bad it can't overclock as high.

METRO REDUX BENCHMARK RESULTS
8/28/2014 8:49:59 PM

Options: Resolution: 1920 x 1080; Quality: Very High; SSAA: Off; Texture filtering: AF 16X; Motion Blur: Normal; Tesselation: Very High; VSync: Off; Advanced PhysX: On;

Run 0 (Scene 1 )
Total Frames: 14410, Total Time: 171.0988 sec
Average Framerate: 84.26
Max. Framerate: 238.78 (Frame: 11596)
Min. Framerate: 12.03 (Frame: 6)

Run 1 (Scene 1 )
Total Frames: 14545, Total Time: 171.3148 sec
Average Framerate: 84.94
Max. Framerate: 228.89 (Frame: 11710)
Min. Framerate: 27.18 (Frame: 2676)

Average Results
Average Framerate: 84.50
Max. Framerate: 238.78
Min. Framerate: 12.03​

I am a little bit surprised that 4A has never fixed whatever is messed up with the Metro 2033 and Metro LL benchmark in the Redux versions. It is obvious that the minimum framerate that always gets captured is at a data point that is irrelevant. They should try to add a 0.5 second delay on the front end and end the data capture a 0.5 second sooner or something like that so it captures meaningful information. I am almost positive that this metric is never accurate on any system. I guess it doesn't really matter much. The only number that is relevant is the average FPS.

I'm so used to this sort of thing that I actual derive a degree of personal satisfaction in marveling at the morbid stupidity of imbeciles that make comments like that. If nothing else, it should be an ego booster to have evidence of your superiority to such a loser.

 

It's so stupid too; you want to just laugh and smack them until they see sense, but in the same respect, a lot of people are going to walk up and look at the other person's comments who are uber "desktop master race" and assume them to be right. Good lord you have no idea how much I have to explain to people on some forums.

Hell, I showed someone one of your benchmarks the other day after he said he "wished there was a mobile K-series chip" and said there are and people do stuff like this with them. He proceeded to ask me how you put it in a desktop. I asked why would someone put it in a desktop? He said to cool it properly. I was like http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t96/SerikaKurusugawa/motivational posters/1307152234491.jpg

Edit: You probably actually do know how much I have to explain, as you know more than me in most cases.

 

That is a nice thing to say, but I only know things because I had an opportunity (or reason) to figure them out. Most of what I know I learned from someone else. Perfect example is overclocking stuff... props to Brother Johnksss on that. I bet you know a ton stuff that I do not. Collective knowledge is what makes a community like this really great and together we get stronger and smarter by sharing and multiplying what we know.

Ummm, yes, I do know how much you have to explain, LOL. And, I appreciate the help. Sometimes I feel just like this...

 

It's futile arguing with a fool. Some of these guys are truly clueless and unwilling to learn something new. Don't waste your time trying to educate them...unless its on birth control :laugh:

 

HA. I love that one.

And yeah. Just about everything I know so far has been "me want work, me fix". I once went to town explaining streaming with Open Broadcaster Software to n=1. I think I blew his mind XD. But yes, that's what a good community is. I fade in and out of the forum a lot, but I usually come back here because of people actually being cool to one another and stuff. It's exceedingly funny, don't you think? Desktop users will fight tooth and nail about every single thing and which is better and all sorts of crap, and us here on NBR with more expensive machines that need more care are all like "YO THIS IS COOL CHECK IT" and everyone else is all "DUDEEEE. But wait *constructive criticism*" and then other people make things out of it. And then we fix each others' problems and stuff.

Yeah that's pretty much NBR to be honest. I hope I'm in the US by the next time I'm going for a laptop so I can get a solid AW with Skylake (or its successor) and Pascal or Volta.

 

Haha, damn right. That's eugenics I can support. It's like my old teacher used to say: Hitler had the right idea, just the wrong demographic.

 

Well that's a bummer. Hopefully by the time I get it, the game/driver has been fixed to scale as well as the original 2033 does. I get nearly constant 99% GPU usage in the benchmark.

 

TBoneSan has a doppelgänger?

 

Haha.. what the hell? I accidently double tapped 'like' using my phone.. glitches will be glitches, just a shame it doesn't show like that on my screen

 

It shows like that for me too; I was going to screenshot it but opticeps beat me to it XD.

 

"Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darryl and my other brother Darryl." LOL.

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Actually, that's his evil twin that clicked like a second time.

 

In case it might help someone having issues...

Metro Redux Technical Issue Reporting | Steam Community

I didn't have to do this, so I have not verified that it works for everyone.

 

Nice to know though. I might do this anyway because Metro 2033's intro is SO LONG

 

Yup, I hate long intros, especially when there is no skip option. I kind of like them on a brand new game maybe 1 or 2 times, then I'm done... forever.

 

I know right? Crysis 2's was just as long. Was so annoying because sometimes SLI breaks and I have to restart the PC (it's not often, but I keep my PC on all the time so I guess it's possible) and I use Crysis 2 performance to check, and it takes longer to actually get in the campaign than it does for me to check if I need to restart my PC or not.

 

Hmm... I've never had SLI acting up on me, even once that I can remember, with 580M SLI, 680M SLI or 780M SLI. What kind of trouble are you having with it?

Have you tried using the on-the-fly SLI tweak? That will eliminate the need to restart when turning SLI on or off. I always set that up when I install a new driver. Makes life easier to not have to restart.

 

I've always used this fix to skip the 2033 intro videos: Metro 2033 - PCGamingWiki PCGW - bugs, fixes, crashes, mods, guides and improvements for every PC game

 

I have been looking for that! I'll be bookmarking that thing now thank you very much =D. Also, sometimes after sleeping/waking up the machine it would give... erratic SLI performance. Both cards would be running at their proper speeds, but I'd only get 50% util on one card sometimes, and the whole game would play out as if I were running the cards at 423 core 1600MHz memory. A simple restart fixed it, and I never knew what exactly caused it, but it did happen on occasion. I'd say.... maybe 7 or 8 times in total since I've owned this computer? That's not a lot by any stretch of the imagination, but it still did happen before.

I'd rep you again for this since I've been hunting for it, but I can't yet XD.

EDIT: The links appear to be mods for the AW machines. Is there like a standalone thing I can run or edit?

 

Ah, OK... maybe that explains why I never have SLI issues. I disable sleep and hibernation and never, ever use either of them because of problems that arise. My machines are always turned on or turned off.

The only time I ever use sleep for anything is to wake up my stupid Recon3Di sound card that likes to play hide and go seek once in a while.

Yes, it is a mod for Alienware but it works for any SLI based system... desktop or laptop.

Before installing your GeForce drivers, open the appropriate INF file for your system in Windows Notepad. Use the Find/Replace All feature of Notepad to replace every line of HKR,,RmDynamicSLIAllowed,%REG_DWORD%, 0 with HKR,,RmDynamicSLIAllowed,%REG_DWORD%, 1. If you have Windows 8, you will have to reboot with Driver Signature Enforcement temporarily disabled to install the driver. With Windows 7 that is not necessary.

Or, to make it work with your already installed drivers simply use Regedit... Use the find command. Change every instance of a key for RmDynamicSLIAllowed that has a DWORD value of 0 to a 1. Some will already be a 1, so do not change them. Only change those that are 0. Reboot, then you're good to go.

 

Now if I edit the registry and don't use the .ini edit method, will these values in the registry be re-overwritten when I install a new driver? If it will stick, then that's all well and good, but since I use windows 8.1 if I need to reboot with driver signature enforcement off all the time (unless I leave it off; I don't know how good that will be for the PC. I never messed with it before, though I know of its existence) then it may not benefit me much, as I never turn off SLI once I have it on. Though I probably might make use of it when I'm on battery in class... that would help. Hmmm. I'll try it for sure when I get back my computer. Should be next week for the latest. I've not had it for 2 months so far, not to mention the downtime earlier this year; I'm never taking a powerful computer for granted in my life again >_<.

 

Glad you managed to make it work properly, I was lurkin on this Redux title since I tried Metro from a friend and,wait.. did I lost something along the thread..?

 

Somehow this thread went from metro to love of NBR and now to SLI things.

 

Yes, it will be overwritten. That's why I mod the driver INF prior to installation. When you install the driver with than INF mod it does all the registry work for you. Editing the registry simply enables it for a driver that is already installed.

The modification to the driver INF essentially breaks the signature, and the poop-flavored version of DSE in Windows 8 is very obnoxious.You only have to reboot with DSE disabled during driver installation with Windows 8.X.X OS. Once you click the button to ignore the modified driver and give Windows 8 its marching orders during the installation you will be good to go. Not sure that will work with Secure Boot enabled because I don't use Secure Boot for anything, but it works flawlessly if you are not.

 

Ah, excellent, I just found this thread! Just after some advice from people who have played Metro 2033 Redux. Is the benchmark representative of in-game performance? I say this because running the benchmark on High gives the best fps and Very High looks a lot better but lowers it substantially - a decrease of average fps from 72 down to 44fps.

High - 72 avg fps
1600x900
Quality High
SSAA Off
AF x16
Motion Blur Normal
Tesselation Off: 72fps, Normal: 58fps, High: 56fps, Very High: 53fps
Vsync Off
Advanced PhysX On

Very High 44fps avg
1600x900
Quality Very High
SSAA Off
AF x16
Motion Blur Normal
Tesselation Off
VSync Off
Advanced PhysX On

I've only just started the game & tried High mostly (just excess wasted fps with this setting though), and small portions on Very High - looks like Very High might be OK. Do you guys know how representative the benchmark is of gameplay fps?

EDIT: (looks like running it on Quality High with Tessellation on Very High could be the best setting based on benchmark results if transferable to game play) What do you reckon?

 

Is the built-in benchmark still that tunnel fly through? It's more demanding that normal gameplay is.

 

Yep, it's the tunnel fly through still. In my limited testing it seems that gameplay is more forgiving, but wanted to get advice from people who have experienced a lot of the game (edited my post since you posted to include different results with tessellation). From what you're saying sounds like I should definitely go with High with Tessellation, and possibly Very High without Tessellation then.

 

I don't have Redux yet, just the original 2033, so I can only speak from my experiences with that. The differences between High and Very High were subtle and not worth the performance hit. Tessellation also wasn't worth it because the only things that were tessellated were the character models and you'd hardly ever notice the rounder meshes unless you were really paying attention to them. Redux however is much better optimized and is running on a newer version of the 4A Engine so it could be that stuff no longer applies. If there is environmental tessellation like there is in Last Light, I'd keep it enabled. And then it just becomes a matter of deciding whether the visual differences between High and Very High justify the cost.

 

Yes, I think the Tessellation affects the environment too (as well as the character models), so given the massive performance hit of Quality Very High (and the then corresponding need for switching off Tessellation), then I think I'm gonna run it at: Quality High, Tessellation Very High, (Advanced PhysX On, Motion Blur Normal, AF x16, SSAA Off, Vsync Off) - this chosen setting gives me 53fps avg in the benchmark, so should be good.

 

Yeah! Work that 670MX!

Anyway, from past experiences the Metro benchmarks run a bit worse than in-game (mainly because non-OC'd I can play Metro 2033 maxed in 3D without ever going below 45fps and apparently all benchmarks in the world average 53fps for that thing, when I must average 90-120) so you may find better performance in-game; though I do not know how true that holds for Metro 2033 Redux. But good luck! I'm sure you'll enjoy it and it'll look pretty =D

 

Haha, yes, I'm giving it a thrashing - but it likes it! (66degC at 21degC room temp, so it likes the torture!). I'll post back if I have to reduce the settings, but at the moment I'm finding it hard to draw away from Titanfall - although over the past week the player skill seems to have increased dramatically (or me getting worse! or maybe hackers - makes be paranoid the more I read about it!) so maybe I'll fall out of love with it and have some time for Metro 2033 Redux!

 

I so wish that Titanfall had a single player campaign mode. At $29.99 the price is now low enough that I can justify spend an extra $5 or $10 more than I normally spend on games, but I just can't bring myself to pay money for a game that only offers online multiplayer. It's an awesome game, but because of that massive shortcoming I have no use for it.

 

Yes, it's a great game, and really the first time I've really gotten into online multiplayer. I'm going to have a break from it now though, over the last week it's just become really frustrating, I'm accustomed to a certain level of success on there, and over the last week the pattern has changed dramatically - getting my a** kicked a lot, suspicion of increased hacking activity (and more trash talking too - never have the mic on anyway, talking typing trashtalk), so I'm going to take a break from it for a few weeks & play some other games. I've been playing it exclusively over the last 3 months, so this recent pattern I've noticed is pretty glaring, but I know I'll grow to hate it if I keep playing it - time for a break! Looks like Metro 2033 redux will get some attention today then! (Also have Mr Freeze DLC for Arkham Origins, DLC for Bioshock Infinite, and Dead Space 3 that I haven't started yet).

 

I finally finished Metro Last light today. I have never been more bored in my life! that Games is just one endless cut scene lazed with the odd bit of game play...... Wasn't for me at all. So slow paced. Though wow does it look amazing!!!!!

I think will finish wolfenstein. I picked up Dishonoured cheap on steam last week so I might give that a go as well.

I really need to sort out the on screen stats like you have Mr Fox. I keep forgetting then I seem it and I'm like I want that!!! Can game with my gpu's overclocked a bit and see what effect it has, be nice to eek out a little more performance as newer titles appear

 

Even though Wolfenstein doesn't support multi-GPU it is an excellent game, and it looks amazing. I loved every minute of it.

 

Or you could just use GPUz and look at the history of the graph to see what your GPU has been doing once you've exited the game. You can resize the graph window to show huge amounts of data history (but can only resize it when actually on the Sensor Tab - that's weird behaviour for a program), and you can set measuring interval to 2 sec to show even more time history on there. That's what I do to monitor my GPU's, in fact I always have it running - it's become a habit!

 

Assuming all you want to see is GPU data in hindsight, that works really well. Once you get accustomed to watching all the stats for everything on your screen in real time you begin to rely on it and things don't feel right when you cannot tell at a glance what is taking place. I always feel like something is missing without my OSD, like wearing boots without any socks, LOL.

 

It's the same for me with my playclaw 5 overlay. I mean, look at the wealth of information on this screenshot! (it's an old one). I kind of get annoyed if I don't get to see what my system is doing all the time.

 

Ghosts gobbled up 4GB VRAM on a friggin' menu screen?!

 

I will occasionally turn on rivatuner osd in conjunction with MSI afterburner once in a while to see what's going on but never would leave it on for an extended play session

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