M18x R2 with Quadro P5000 ( GTX 1070 ) is a success

Finally had the time to install the card yesterday.

So far so good, the card never exceeded 75°C in tests, but it only has mx-4 applied at the moment, as i need longer holding screws due to the shorter xbracket.
The heatsink fits like a glove and the card runs amazing

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12620788



Edit: i did notice throttling (power related) according to the GPU-Z, but the card only throttles to 1500MHz, and not all the way down to base clock which is great

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pretty cool, it's performancewise between a 1060 and a 1070.

 

Debating going this route, where did you source the card?

 

could you test this card with specviewperf?

 

from a forum member

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sure can, havent tried that before, how do i benchmark it?

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here a link for SPECviewperf® 12.1

https://www.spec.org/gwpg/downloadindex.html



you need a software like 3Dstudio max for testing a gpu with SPECviewperf 12.1

here a free version

https://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/all?AID=10282382&PID=3640576&SID=525X832X3cb831032936cf8d5d293e2867e0e14c

 

So you are the one that bought it, hehe looking good. M18xR2 continues to live on.

Hoping to see 1170 and Quadro V5000M working as well.

 

First, congratulations on the upgrade , So I understand that the card works well on the system without edp, optimus or 120Hz screen. So it is working on LVDS 60Hz screen without optimus right?

 

Based on that comment: was it basically plug&play? Or did you have to hard mod something?

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No, it only works with optimus on 60Hz screen. The M18x R1/R2 never had 120Hz screens.

No hardmodding needed, all i did was flash Swicks/Raidriar's modded BIOS and changed Video from PEG to SG
Modded the drivers and the install went just fine.

 

I thought the 18 inchers didn't have optimus because they have SLI.

 

M18x can SLI or do optimus with one GPU only

 

This is a fact that was unknown to me till @maxslo post.

 

Can the AW18 also do optimus with the unlocked bios?

 

Yes, but the option in the Bios is only available if you use the unlocked AW18 bios.

 

How did you end up modding the drivers?
I've looked up a few guides, learned as much as I could and end up with a code 43.
Just not sure if it's me being thick or if something else is going on.

Edit: This is for a 1070

 

I have also Alienware 18 haswell and also have unlock bios
have nvidia quadro k5000m that suport lvds but this card don't work with this laptop
when you switch to SG mode it's working until 1-st reboot after blue screen like you have
and only one way to reset this is disassemble laptop take out card and it will work again until first reboot
so this laptop is ...

 

That’s odd, one thing I had to do was replace my CMOS battery, for some reason when it lost power, even though it’s NVRAM, it would completely forget that I changed it to SG mode and I would have to go back in and change to SG mode

 

yes some how in my case reset CMOS it's not enough I have to reset everything ram as well

 

Hey, finally got the thing installed, i'll run the tests tomorrow

 

Use this guide.

http://null-bin.blogspot.com/2015/08/how-to-modify-nvidia-notebook-driver.html?m=1

 

@sicily428
Results

 

thanks

 

Where did you get the GPU? I tried googling it but didn't return much.

 

You can buy directly from Dell for $2000 (0Y42WJ) with a 1 year warranty or donate an extra 500 to Eurocom for $2500 with a 90 day warranty. Or you can find a courier forwarder from china and get from taobao for $1200

 

For that price wouldn't it be better to upgrade to a new system entirely? For me, as much as I want to keep my R2 alive, the 60 Hz non G-Sync display makes me just want to save for a newer unit.

 

Yes, I have no intention of upgrading past the 980M. I'll ride these out until they are no longer usable and probably transition to a desktop. Done with the laptop games.

 

I can confirm that EURO GTX 1070 MXM is a success for M18x R2. Many thanks to @woodzstack for providing services and being extendedly helpful throughout the whole process.

 

very nice! can you open a new thread detailing the process? with pictures preferably.

 

yeah people would love to know, I'm always too busy with supporting people these days to start creating threads here and there.

 

Cost?

 

Too much for a rebadged card that doesn’t even work right

 

for a P5000 ? Too much. Like quadruple what a 1060 or 1070 would cost basically.

 

Too much for what? That is a card created for apps like solidworks/catia/creo/nx. It assures great performances with those softwares

 

yeah but too much to be gaming on.

 

Sorry, I meant the Euro 1070 I've heard mentioned elsewhere here. Or are we still waiting for someone to attempt to put this in the R2?

 

Read my previous post

 

Ah I see so Euro GTX 1070 is basically a rebadged Quadro P5000?

I'm unfamiliar with SpecView's benchmarking tool but I am familiar with 3D Mark Firestrike and a 15k GPU Standard Score isn't exactly in between a GTX 1060 (12.5k GPU and a GTX 1070 (19.5k GPU) being that the median value here would be 16k GPU, it's only slightly faster than a GTX 1060 (2.5k faster) vs. being 4.5k GPU points slower than a GTX 1070. Basically, Quadro P5000 could be rebadged as "Euro GTX 1060 Ti". In fact, seeing as how this $2k mobile card is essentially a $400 GTX 1060 Ti if there was one makes the value proposition even more absurd.

15k GPU puts it 50% faster than a 980M (~10k GPU) which itself is +/- a GTX 970.

I don't know, and I don't want to sound like I do know any specific feature set on that Quadro P5000 could justify that $2k......and nope, it's got 16GB of memory and that's it, not additional CUDA cores nor additional power delivery for them or the card (100W). GTX 1070 performance is 170W, that's how much power 12nm Pascal requires for 19.5k-20.5k GPU Score (Firestrike) requires:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-P5000.191073.0.html

But it is cool that we managed to have an additional upgrade path for GTX M18x R2, I just don't see how having that much video memory would be beneficial unless one was trying to video out to a 4k display and even then, VRAM consumption just isn't that bad at 4K, the average highest I've heard of is like 8-10GB of VRAM and at that point a glorified GTX 1060 Ti would not be able to push 4K at a load sufficient to increase VRAM demand because of how much processing power is required for 4k pixel count, not texture quality. I don't know man.

So with that out of the way, has anyone managed to get actual GTX 1070 operational in the M18xR2? I get that Quadro P5000 is a cut-down die version of GP104designed for artists who need the ability to have their work follow them, an insanely niche market (Hollywood CGI artists perhaps?) and maybe they are making 5k content (basically 21:9 but in the same number of horizontal scan lines as 4K) which would require even more VRAM over 4k?

?

 

reasoning behind the price tag for the P5000 and other quadro cards is their intended use in professional applications. with specialized drivers and intensified service for customers, u can expect these cards to be like tenfold+ more performant than geforce cards. since these applications sometimes need tons of vram, quadro cards usually have way more equipped. sure u can also game on quadros, but thats not their intended use, hence the unreasonable price tag from a gamer's perspective.

however, there are several points where the P5000 justifies being even slightly considered as an upgrade path:

- standard form factor mxm 3.0b: most if not all pascal cards have odd shapes that wont fit into older machines

- 100W power spec without external power connector required

- guaranteed high quality components used on card: this is a tricky one, but im kind of wary of the euro/gecube 1070 cards, having seen and heard of lots of failures, with cards blowing up inside of short time windows. seems like the mosfets arent cut out for their "official" rated power of 115W, so theyve been cut down to 95W. and at that TDP, theyre barely any faster than the P5000, so not really comparable with an actual 1070.

- most important difference between euro 1070 and P5000: heatsink and vbios compatibility. as far as ive seen, P5000 are just plug and play, no matter the brand of the machine its installed in. no need to worry about having the right vbios flashed. also, the P5000 sports the exact identical layout of the 980M, so a physical heatsink modification like with the euro 1070 (components have a completely different layout on the card vs. 980M) is not necessary.

all in all, there are pros and cons depending on whats important to you.

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"Eurocom 1070" is really a gecube 1070 that eurocom calls its own. They end up flashing whatever vBIOS from MSI or clevo or whatever to get it to work. Unfortunately it ends up blowing up sooner or later if the right power settings are not used as the components were not designed to deliver more than 95-115W

 

Excellent explanation, thanks. Yeah if youre a wealthy artist with an M18xR2 on hand I suppose this upgrade makes sense, but I hate to say it, for $2k I would just invest in a new platform, ideally one with a G-Sync 120 Hz display.

As much as I want to keep my M18xR2 alive, I realize that 60 FPS is about the bare minimum I can tolerate in terms of FPS. It's doable, but I much prefer 90-120 Hz G-Sync. Too bad we can't upgrade the displays.

Is there any kind of warranty on them and how much are they going for? I'm actually kind of interested, I have good luck not blowing up my stuff because I try to keep the temps down below where they might be a problem.

 

90 days, if they don't try and put the blame on you. have fun!

 

Where is it actually sold? I'm curious to learn more about this vaunted Euro 1070...

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,265,0)Alienware_M18xR2

under gpu upgrade (Primary)

EDIT: gone....interesting

 

the P5000 can be had for 1100 USD on taobao including a 1 year warranty.

examples:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...V3NAY&id=565487008666&ns=1&abbucket=16#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...V3NAY&id=556126974722&ns=1&abbucket=16#detail

so thats a +130% premium on eurocom´s side

 

I take it Taobao is a Chinese version of ebay?

 

correct.

 

Be advised, the P5000 performance level is between 1060 and 1070, and the only 1070 than reliably works well at desktop 1070 clock speeds are the weird Clevo 1070s and the MSI 1070s.

 

one could always oc the P5000