It is really a sad day when Acer beats Alienware.

was think and hopping alienware would come to its sences but it seems they havent yet.. seems like they never listened to there true base.. but you know who has out of all these company's lol Acer.. go figure that one out..
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" Acer made a big splash at IFA 2016 with its new high-end gaming notebook, the massive Predator 21 X. We made our way through the booth to find it and, geez, calling the Predator 21 X a “beast” would be quite the understatement.

The notebook features dual GeForce GTX 1080 graphics chips, enough fans to make sure they’re cool, and even a curved display. As if that wasn’t enough to satisfy gamers, Acer tossed in Tobii eye-tracking technology which, during a brief demo, allowed me to look around the cockpit of a spaceship just by moving my eyeballs. Freaky stuff.

The notebook can be configured with up to 64GB of RAM and its own mechanicalkeyboard with CherryMX switches, making it the closest darn thing to a full gaming PCreplacement we’ve seen in years."

check the vid.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1608643472761809

 

This laptop is 21" but it features useless 21:9 aspect ratio so overall it's not that big.

 

Not the first time the newer Aw Echo machines will be beaten by Acer. Take a look into Notebookcheck.net
I expect the same will happen with the newest models also!!

 

That looks mean.

 

I guessing here but a 21 inch ultra-wide screen like on the Acer should be about as tall as a normal 17 inch laptop screen. While that is slightly smaller than I would prefer, I could live with it since I would have it hooked up to an external monitor 95% of the time. While I have always said I would not be willing to go smaller than 18.4 on a gaming laptop, for the dual 1080's, I could probably compromise.

 

Nice to know we have alternatives.. I'll leave Alienware the next year, looking for a dual GTX 1080 laptop. But I really don't like the no-palrest design, plus the touchpad/numpad seems a really bad idea. Given that, I think I'll go with Clevo.

 

Wow ... this is incredible. I really like how it look and all the specs . What is the price tag on this ?

 

Unfortunately, that is a disposable BGA turdbook. It will never be awesome, so steer clear of it. There is already a ton of discussion about what a massive disappointment this product is in other threads. I've surprised you haven't seen them already. Acer really screwed up, building such a nice product on the outside with castrated innards... a real sin and a crime. The excuses made by Acer emphasize how disconnected and ignorant they are as a corporation. They were actually stupid enough to say things on the record like they chose BGA because they did not want it to catch on fire and they thought that because it is a laptop it cannot handle sockets and slots. The somewhat/partially legitimate arguments for going BGA (allows thin and light ultrabook form factors) are counter-intuitive and should not apply to a massive product like this. We cannot call it a beast with soldered filth and a TDP-crippled CPU.

The price tag is totally out of line based on it being kneecapped by its creator.

To be honest, this is the only option that remains if you want something excellent. No other company offers anything that I would consider spending my money on. It's not that I care about Clevo, per se. It's only because all the other companies are losers selling Toys-R-Us garbage.

 

You sure about this fox?

 

Unless the representatives from Acer have lied to us and told us it is a BGA turdbook in error, yes. Double-whammy with CPU and both GPUs soldered to the mobo, so steer clear of it.

 

Any sources on this?

 

Reps from Acer said it self

 

Source: Acer.

It has been posted multiple places, but I don't remember where the links are. There is also a YouTube video.

 

Whoa, that sucks. But I mean like a link. The explanation was nice too. Why don't any of these companies have a good upgrade system? People with alienwares are stuck with 780m-980m and most other laptops can't even upgrade. Luckily we are getting closer with the likes of the Titan experiment that failed, etc

 

Because they want your hard earned money..., several times!!

 

BGAnimal​

Will people be able to upgrade the graphics over time?
I've been looking at the market, & upgradeable graphics in laptops has been planned for a while but there's nothing like that now
What components can you pop in and out?
The RAM and the storage. In terms of GPU or CPU, that's not something that's possible as they're always soldered on
What type of gamer will buy the Predator 21 X?
People who won't want to upgrade for a while
(a while?)
What scope is there for overclocking the Predator 21 X?
Because it's a laptop we have to be a little conservative in this regard, as we don't want it to catch fire. Our Predator Sense software offers two levels of overclocking: normal & 'extreme'. At the higher setting we tune the laptop to push it to its limits without blowing it up

this animal is D.O.A.
filth-peddling reaches its zenith

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I give two-bits for the sexy 'beast' !!!​

 

Man, Acer f**ked up

 

MSI uses slot-mounted GPUs, but they effectively negate the value of their notebooks by using wimpy BGA CPUs. The only one that makes an effort to do right any more is Clevo. In spite of their efforts, which many of us appreciate, they're not perfect. But, the rest of them are peddling trash to consumers that typically don't have any clue that they are buying a disposable piece of garbage.

 

Well, another thing to note. Alienware doesn't really want to move on to upgrading because they don't want to lie. Which is the reason, they almost never offer upgrades on Alienware laptops with MXM. Now they are using soldered and the external GPU is quite a great idea.

Now what happens, MSI failed to fulfill the guarantee and promise for GT80 customers. Now Acer also uses soldered chips on such a huge device? Whut?

Because, like it or not, 90% of the people around the world gonna be pissed on what the company promises when they failed to deliver.

Either way, just cross fingers and hope that some genius or some guy makes pascal upgrades. It's a possibility, just all about compatibility since Pascal MXM is still 3.0b.

Although, have to say, unless you are gaming on 4K, there is not a need for me to upgrade my Alienware. My 780M are still really good on new games like Doom on ultra @ 1080p and I don't see a need to upgrade to GTX 980m yet.

Unless... You really want something like VR on the go. If not, not worth the time or money to spend on pascal.

 

I still find the experience of running and hitting the limits (and then finding modifications and custom configuration settings) on the 780M/880M SLi quite satisfying, and where I want even more visual edge, the 980M SLi goes beyond the margins at doing an excellent job with great thermal feedback to boot. I don't think these cards (Kepler included) should have any substantial issue keeping up with, and beating this console generation's gaming standard and experience, even when limited to a single GPU.

Of course, if one wants the absolute best with the desire to push every setting to frivolously extreme degrees, then there is always a case for an upgrade, and even then, one will always find oneself falling behind (or hitting some arbitrary wall) in some regard or the other.

 

Ok lets get some clarification here, aside from the components in question being soldered onto the mobo, is CPU overclocking locked away from the user somehow?

Reason for asking is, GTX 1080 SLI is going to be future-proof for quite a while, ESPECIALLY at the native 21:9 1080p resolution. Hell a single 1080 could probably push that res for all titles released in the next 5 years.

This Acer unit is absolutely no turd-book in my opinion. I actually commend Acer for pushing the envelope with it.

21:9 Display
Mechanical Keyboard
GTX 1080 SLI
Dual PSU support

 

I'm not happy at all that it is BGA, but what the topic's title suggests is still pretty valid - (soldered for soldered) Acer beat Alienware. End of story.

 

Nothing will make it less than a turdbook. BGA will always be filth, and especially so in a chassis large enough to accommodate sockets and slots. This is inexcusable and unforgivable. If they are going to cheap out with pathetic consumer grade second-rate components then it should be priced like the disposable piece of garbage that it is. Anyone that buys this needs to get the longest warranty available or start saving up now for a $1200+ motherboard replacement.

 

If Dellware had developed a new AW 18 now.., I'm 100% sure that their next Aw Sli monster would be shipped with fully BGA as their new AW Echo line series. Hope I never ever will see such a hideous and clearly awfull garbage!! And remember the Dellware chief Mr. Azor even said that there are only cons using MMX graphics now. Talk about a change!!

 

Unfortunately, there is not a shortage of people stupid enough to believe that bull crap. Serial liars often end up believing all of the foolish baloney that comes out of their own mouths, so maybe he has reached the point where he just can't help it any more.

 

You guys are not thinking with good business sense. You talk like everyone is super tech savvy and wants to change out cpu's and gpu's. The truth is we are a very small margin in the broader scope. If I was wrong consoles would outsell gaming pc's and that is not going to happen anytime soon. If I were in their shoes I would have done exactly the same thing. Why make a machine that is completely up-gradable when 1% of purchasers will actually do it. Screw the 1% and let's focus on what matters, more sales. Quit thinking about wants and start thinking in dollars and reality.....

 

Nope. Screw the 99%... LOL. (I know you are just being facetious.)

If all I could have is a BGA turdbook for playing games I would buy a console instead. (And, I am not being facetious.)

 

I really hope people who purchased BGA machines, is tech savvy... Change parts like gpu/processors self isn't a easy fix after your warranty have expired. Not saying this will happen to all, but a fully motherboard change isn't a easy fix for not so tech savvy people. And new/ used motherboard isn't cheap and also not so easy to obtain as spare parts like gpu/cpu.

 

It is possible to change BGA components and I did that but you can't change GPU for example. Just a GPU core or CPU.

 

I do not think this is an good option bro, because replacing the motherboard with faulty parts already is too difficult for most non tech savvy... OEM's have already won. You are forced to buy new machine before you need Then you are stuck with that broken BGA machine that can not be repaired without robbing the bank completely + a completely new BGA toy This is what OEM's want

 

It would have dethroned the clevo if they didn't **** it up with the BGA Stuff :S why can't we have laptop desktops again :/.

 

Why can't we have laptops, just like they were around Sandy/Ivy? They were on sockets and slots, had pretty decent performance, binned parts and ran well on battery. Now we have non-binned parts (CPUs and GPUs), or at least not as hard binned parts (GPUs), or straight desktop parts (CPUs, probably GPUs as well). It's a mess indeed. Even trying to categorize it results in a mess.

Yes, you can change BGA chips, but it requires BGA station, good profiles, steady hands - i.e. someone that knows what (s)he is doing and have put a good amount of money and time into that equipment. Also you can change CPUs/GPUs as well. The pattern on the flip side of the chip must match and then it's a little science, but it is possible. Not always the case for obvious reasons, but not exception either.

 

Talking of performance, Desktop/Server CPUs kind of perform the same as laptop CPUs if the architecture is same and if the speed is the same

I decided to pit my home server's Intel Xeon E3-1276 V3 @ 4.0Ghz against my Alienware 18's i7-4900MQ overclock to 4.0Ghz (OC LV1, Bios A12, factory overclock settings

And the results are surprisingly, the same.



The only thing we need to worry is cooling our beasts.

 

laptop is too big, already the TSA give me a hard time with the 18.4 can't imagine what would happen with acer.

 

I have been taking 18 inch Alienware laptops on business trips for many years and TSA has never said anything. What are they doing to you? Is this something that recently started?

 

Even if it is a monster biggie, I still can't get over the fact that Acer is using BGA components for such a large device.

Its like, way larger than our 18s. And, still using BGA boards that can fit in a thin laptop like an MSI Stealth or even the new BGA laptops of Alienware?

That is just purely poor engineering, BGA is like all the eggs in one basket; if one core component dies, whole laptop is buh bye. And changing the whole board is going to cost a fortune for an average human worker. I understand BGA if the laptop needs to be thin and sleek (although, I am more concerned of cooling), but for such a device... What?

 

Not only the cost of the components It's plainly barring the liberrty of consumers and exploiting them, look at the MXM prices from Maxwell / Pascal from $700 to $1200+ ridiculous.. If I recall, back when Svl7 was in full swing so many users were upgrading their older Alienware M15xs, 17xs, 18xs and now see what are people steered towards to or those people are just outnumbered by the ones who want - those dumb mac thin machines, stupid razers, soldered trash Alienware BGAs, gimped crApple products and Mafia$oft's abomination of eternal alpha pos, sadly the people killed the socketed all they want is plain straight of out box supernatural performance and no tweaking with full social B$ 24/7. Over 9000 level of idiocracy there, no cure there...


TSA new rules were just some cabin baggage restriction excluding laptop that should be ~8kgs iirc, I carried my Everiki Titan weighing 12KGs without any issue over 24Hr International Boeing 777s and Airbus A380s. They would mostly ask you to remove the laptop and check the weight etc..but at the boarding pass counter there should be no issues. Maybe this was due to that people are carrying too much saying cabin baggage and laptop backpack etc...

"That's a big arse laptop there man, cool stuff and left in awe" is what would be their words if anyone's lucky enough to see these type of machines in existence, the Alienware older laptops which are really heavy, beastly and striking looks after all

Me too but recently only one airways did that. Not by TSA though just regular...unusual still.

 

I've never had the weight or size of my backpack with a 17 or 18 inch beast laptop checked by TSA.

 

Well.. Current market now is many want more lighter laptops and high performing laptops, sometimes many have no choice but to use BGA. BGA is just risky since its a fragile turd, the only thing we need to worry is quality control, but oh well premium brands or components sometimes have bad apples right?

And, nothing beats with many of my school tutors always having a look at my 18 and one of them even joked saying "You should have the award of the most powerful laptop in the polytechnic..." LOL

The problem is mainly many people who don't understand the reason why gaming laptops are thick. Especially in my country, Singapore, I have never since another Alienware 18 or M18X anywhere (if you don't count display sets) or even someone carrying a big laptop bag as me.

Well, we all sadly belong to the few who owns these. Just like any business, they want more money, so do it "standard" a.k.a BGA

T_T

I was planning to sell my 18 for the new 17 R4 but after learning it is BGA, I kinda discouraged it, unless you would like to pay a hefty price for premium and accidental damage warranty.

Still sticking with my 18. Too expensive to afford 4K Gaming laptops anyway now.

To me, GTX 1080 SLI should only be used in 4K Gaming anyways. a Single 1080 is more than enough for 1080p, even 1070/GTX 980M SLI.

Another great joke about bad design is MSI's GT83VR Titan. They stuffed 2 GTX 1080s in their beast and still used a 1080p screen. Seriously..?