I have an IPS screen...

I never knew the difference until I was logged in to a friend's computer via TeamViewer and told him that I have an IPS display, ( Samsung LTM184HL01 18.4" WLED FHD (1920 X 1080) TrueLife Display IPS 16:9 1080p [SDC4C48] ) he said he was jealous

So I did some research and although IPS displays display colors more accurately and is better for professional work like photoshop and such, I read that IPS displays offer high response times as opposed to TN Displays, which will produce ghosting when viewing a fast moving object.

I am confused, then, why was the guy jealous? what's so great about IPS displays if they have high response rates? this doesn't sound ideal for a gaming laptop right?

 

It really depends on the user.If you are a competitive gamer and need high refresh rates only TN panels will have that. For me I rather have beautiful colors that ips offers than high refresh rates because I don't need super high refresh rates when gaming. Gaming on a high quality IPS panel is amazing! I have an 2560x1440 Ips monitor and its just night and day compared to TN

 

One time I was speaking to a graphic designer hottie...and she told me that she needs a high quality monitor to properly display the colors such as the mac ones...

so is my Samsung IPS display considered one of those that graphic designers use or not?

 

Probably not, as least not the pro or serious ones.

It also has much wider viewing angles than TN, esp. vertically.

BTW your screen is PLS not IPS.

 

Oh crap, I dunno why I thought it was IPS

you're right, I just googled that model and got this

SAMSUNG LTM184HL01 Overview - Panelook.com

thanks for bursting my bubble (j/k )

 

Oh ouch 6-bit panel. Definitely not one for color work.

And 16ms GTG response time is also really slow.

But it's still PLS so much wider viewing angles than TN. And brightness and contrast look great.

 

Yes I do notice some tearing sometimes..

bro...

in this link ( http://www.amazon.com/Alienware-ALW18-2990sLV-18-4-Inch-Gaming-Laptop/dp/B00D6HBYD6#productDetails )

It says... 18.4 inch (467.36 mm) WLED FHD (1080p) TrueLife TN 400 Nit Display (1920 X 1080)

what does that mean? TN is Twisted Nematic but maybe that particular laptop doesn't have the Samsung screen I have. you are certain it's IPS right?

 

Motion blur and streaking/ghosting, not tearing.

That looks like the base model AW18, so maybe it comes with TN while PLS is an option on higher-end models.

If Panelook says it's PLS, it's PLS.

 

Yes which works to improve on input latencies. Mostly IPS and similar technologies give much more even colour (it's not always more accurate) due to very low colour shift at different angles.

 

The glory of IPS/PLS screens are in the color reproduction, color saturation and depty. For immersive games like Skyrim, Metro Last Light, Dragon Age, etc. ... I will always prefer my 1440p IPS screen (on desktop machine); for super twitchy FPS games like CS:GO, Hawken and the like, I chose to play on a 1080p Benq 120hz screen which is mounted right next to my IPS/PLS screen ... again, that was all regarding desktop gaming at home ...

My notebook, however, a Gigabyte P35G v2 has an IPS screen and I've found it quite suitable for gaming on the go (which I don't do a whole lot of). ...

Just depends on what your doing, really ... if you can afford a dual monitor setup, then get one of each ....

;-)

 

IPS/PLS with a slight overclock is a wonderful setup.

 

wasn't me and good color accuracy on a Mac ...... shes funny. the best they offer is 95% sRGB in the 15" retina and bad color shifting. prior to those units they topped at 75%. now get into a good workstation like a Zbook or a few of the Precision M's and you have 1.1 billion colors ( 10 bit ) at a lovely shade of 150-160% sRGB that makes even the Apple Cinema display look pretty sad. even the old W530 and the Clevos with the 90% NTSC panel beats all the MacBook series, for that matter even an antique Alienware M9750 was a far better design station than my 17" MBP

maybe for webwork, those of us that do color sensitive stuff ( broadcast video in REC709, prepress and print work CMYK, Pantone and aRGB etc ) tend to use the pro series stuff from Dell, HP, Eizo and Mitsubishi. the old faithful was the ancient Dell U2711 but for higher end, Eizo ColorEdge units.

and no not all IPS screens have decent color accuracy, many are still pretty bad in the 60-70% sRGB range which can be beaten by almost all the TN screens the last 4 years.

 

Yes I was very careful to say uniformity over angle as they vary as much as any other tech.

 

Appreciated and noted as always Meaker. Sadly we have too many on the forums who have a case of OHHHHHHHH shiny it has to be better for everything. at which point I have to dredge up the old Flexview Panel from about a decade ago. 2048 x 1536 15" Laptop screen that we just got back to that kind of color accuracy 2 years ago.

and hope you folks don't mine me intruding over here in the AW forums. dusted off the husbands old M9750 and doing some reading on it.

 

Oh no, how dare you join a discussion with information lol.

I agree you cant match an IPS screen for certain games like skyrim though.

 

would that be why my nephew and husband have kidnapped BOTH of my Dreamcolor equipped Zbook 17's to play that game then?

 

Pffft vanilla Skyrim is butt ugly. Witcher 2 is where it's at if you really want your IPS screen to pop.

 

Don't tell either of them that or I will never get them back to actually work on.

 

Maybe swap a couple NEC's for the ZBook's back? It's a fair trade.

 

When I first read about LCD overclocking I thought it's a joke LOL

seriously

1) how to do it?

2) what benefits would I get?

3) does it harm my screen?

 

AMD's latest drivers have it natively now if I remember correctly, otherwise it requires a patch and application:

Overclocking your monitor refresh rate - AMD GPU's - Guides and Tutorials - Linus Tech Tips

Higher refresh rate beyond the stock 60hz.

I've not heard of any damage ever but it has not been researched all that well.

 

Nvidia cards allow LCD overclocking natively in the control panel without the need for third-party tools such as CRU.

I've got my 60 Hz screen running at 103 Hz and the difference is night and day.

Make sure you check for dropped frames to ensure that your overclock is stable: Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests

Note: This will affect your power consumption and thus battery life depending on how far you overclock because your GPU might not downclock to its 2D state even when idling at the desktop.

 

Really useful thanks

 

My screen couldn't do 100 Hz but I managed to overclock it to 85 Hz. Didn't notice one bit of a difference to be honest, I launced a solitaire game to see if the card flipping was smoother, nope, same old, a bit jerky movement, so back to 60 Hz

 

Did you run the frame skip test? Try dragging a window around at high speed on the desktop. If you can't see a difference, maybe it didn't apply correctly...

 

ahhh now I see a huge difference by dragging a window quickly in a circular motion!! thanks for the tip man! I'll keep 85 Hz in this case

last question, will this harm my LCD?

 

Sounds good. It also makes games and video smoother. Plus you can V-Sync at a higher refresh rate (less input lag and visual judder) or have less tearing with V-Sync off.

That's the million dollar question, isn't it? I have no idea, but I've yet to hear of any catastrophic results, at least when compared to overclocking other parts of your computer.

 

Right, doing some more research about this now....

 

Oh hell, yes. Tried this on an 11 year old TN; ran 185Hz ... was freaky how much heat it gave off. Didn't notice much difference image-wise, so 90Hz it is.

Can't even render the frames anyway, except with [SUB] [/SUB].

 

Yeah, I've seen a few of these. It's insane...

For some reason, it's always the really old screens that can pull it off.

 

IPS and TN, actually LCD in general I hope will get replaced by Amoled screens. Can't wait. But before it happens all the burn in issues and over saturation needs to be fixed.

The contrast of Amoled screens is something to kill for. But nothing to worth to deal with the issues it comes with. Anyone know if anyone attempted to build an OLED laptop/monitor?

 

That and the differential degradation of the colours shifting it over time.

 

Exactly constant calibration is needed.

 

Not really ideal when most people don't even know what screen calibration is.

 

Or, those that just don't care. I'm perfectly happy with a good quality TN display and a high response rate. Personally, I do not appreciate the IPS or OLED differences enough to be willing pay extra for it. Do they usually look better? Yes, sure they can, but I'd rather spend the difference on something that makes the machine go faster. Then there is yet the additional category of customers that just don't want to spend any more money, period... not for a better screen... not for system performance... nothing. So, there is the "don't know" group, the "don't care" group, and last but not least, the "value shopper" group. Each has a place.

There is an additional customer group that I have a harder time relating to, because I've never really wanted to own any product on the basis of gaining admittance to a social clique. For example, I have an iPhone and an HTC Android... each are just a different flavor of a crappy smartphone to me. The weirdness is that I get compliments on the iPhone all the time, even though it is no different than any other iPhone of the same model. It's extremely average, but it's like "welcome to the club" LOL. Nobody gives the HTC a second thought. Both function almost the same, but one is a whole lot more expensive than the other. I don't appreciate anything about the higher priced product enough to make a conscious decision to choose it or recommend it over the cheaper one. Thankfully, it cost me nothing.

Choose you own "meh"

But choose carefully.​

 

Is that an HTC One?

Anyways there is a BIG difference in quality between IPS and OLED displays vs TN panels. TN panels look plane and wash up with minor angles. IPS displays are better than that. OLED displays are perfect when it comes to viewing angles and contrast. A perfectly calibrated OLED display would completely destroy an IPS panel and TN panel. Why? Infinite contrast.

All I have to say is that I have TN panels, they are mostly cheap and washed out on laptops. However good IPS panels on many laptops look good. Great one like the Asus n550jk are awesome and vivid.

 

Yes, HTC One. Cheap-o that does everything my 5s does except the photos are better on the 5s... and, should be for the huge price difference.

 

OT: my note 3 display is lovely, I'll be going note 4 most likely.

I like options, offer 120hz tn and ips displays so people can choose.

 

Options are hard to beat... things would be pretty boring and a lot of personal preference excluded without them.

 

The screen of the 5S is pure trash compared to any flagship android device.....

 

A bit late, but I seem to have utterly zero idea what the panel on my laptop actually is. I asked Mythlogic and was told I have a "LG Philips LP173WF2" model. I checked that panel look website from the first page, but I only found 4 models when dropping the LG Philips part of the tag, and all of them have been discontinued since 2011 or prior.

Anybody happen to know the ACTUAL specs of this thing? All the panel-look models claim 5ms grey-to-grey with 6-bit colour, whereas when I google this I find 8-bit colour with 10ms response time (though it does not say which)... except that you need 8ms or better for 120Hz. So I am one confused D2.

Also, as a gamer I do prefer refresh rates over colour representation, but more so possibly because I've never used an IPS panel before. I have colour calibration on the current model but it seems to just make things look like there's a brownish filter over them. When I fullscreen any game the colours look different as night and day.

 

Yep, looks like there are 4 different panels in that production series, and they seem to be identical spec-wise except TPA1 is glossy: Panel Specification Compare - Panelook.com

To narrow it down, you need to find the model number after the hyphen. For example, mine is LG Philips LP156WF1-TLC1.



I don't think the listed production dates really mean much. For example, you see mine says 2009 Week 0, but some Y510p SKU's being sold in 2014 were still using this exact same panel.

 

Trust Panelook on this, it's more intended for resellers and system builders than consumers, but that also means data-accuracy is quite important. Also, there's nothing unusual about a 2011 lcd winding up in a 2013 laptop; especially with low-volume series it makes sense to buy up old stock (cheaper). Clevo's just one builder that does this, and there's nothing wrong with the practice either; DCs were build in 2011 too and they'd still make for a more-than-decent system.

<strike>Check HWiNFO to find out which of the four production series you've actually received.</strike> (beaten )

 

Wowwwww I'm doneeee I can't evennnn *reverted to current-generation teenager status*

 

Kid, there's nothing to worry about. Besides the glossy finish on one of the panels, all 4 are identical spec-wise. Just look at any one of them and you'll find what you want to know.

 

I know there's nothing to really worry about. I was just overreacting to my inability to find out what my screen model actually is XD

 

TN panels physically can not have higher than 6bit per color depth, some may look fine, but in general other than fast response they have no more Pros.
IPS are nice mostly because of the true black[SUB](and evil)[/SUB]color representation, while TNs can only output shades of grey [SUB](more than fifty I guess)[/SUB] instead.

 

The ASUS PB287Q and PG278Q (ROG Swift) have true 8-bit TN panels.

 

I don't find any value in owning "flagship" phones (any oxymoron in my mind) so this is meaningless to me. I don't enjoy trying to do anything meaningful on a handheld device. It's a tool to me, like a screwdriver. Having a fancy onyx handle with gold inlay lettering for the brand logo doesn't drive screws better or faster, even though it looks like a really fancy screwdriver. *sneers at iPhone* The iPhone belongs to my employer, so it cost me nothing. The HTC One is mine and it is priced the way it should be... anything more in a phone is a waste of money for me, but I understand some people are really passionate about their smartphones.

 

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a phone/tablet person either. They just don't excite me as much as fast PC's do.