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    Finally Official 7970M Driver released - AMD Catalyst 12.6 WHQL and 12.7 Beta

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Peter, Jun 28, 2012.

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    You need cross fire for minecraft ? Can't you play it on the Intel 4000 pretty well ?
     
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    did you did a registry clener? if not do it.
     
  3. Peter

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    Actually not its not just bad driver, as you did many installation as well Un. So there is a chance that many widows files were modified as well as some corrupted. It can be undo, but its hard to catch or delete unwanted windows or driver files. So easy way is to just formate it, and your machine will pop of top of horse again :D but well by playin with drivers you will able to increase ur knowledge to wards AMD drivers with help of GoogleXD
     
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    yep i did.. i doing it all over again and am starting fresh..
     
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    not the point.. the point is I shouldnt have to switch between xfire and single card use..
     
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    so peter can you run 3Dmark 03 and mark 06 for us please.. and post pics of the driver version in the results shot.. Ive asked you 3 times now to confirm you can run these and you bring up some thing else each time.. not trying to be a pain but until more people post that its working for them and they can run in xfire.. we will not have a good user base of whats working and whats not..

    these might work with bf3 and skyrim but with out testing we will not know what works and what doesnt..

    any one running 12.7 that Mr.Fox listed please run those 2 benches and see what happens thanks..
     
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    if you have a spare drive and a sata adapter you can reinstall it on that... I have windows 7 on my internal ssd and windows 8 on a external sata drive. but with all the programs you talk about running I didn't think reinstalling the os was a good option either.
     
  8. Peter

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    lol im so sorry ive didnt catch tht lala, well i have already give a shot of 3Dmark 03 this mornin, additionally i did update my first post as well , could you please check result at first post. And i dont have Mark 06 :(
     
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    ok peter maybe its a language barrier.. but you ran heaven and 3Dmark11
    they are both free and ill provide the links..

    here are the links to 3dmark 03 Futuremark - world's most popular benchmarks and PC performance tests - Download - 3DMark03

    and

    3Dmark06 Futuremark - world's most popular benchmarks and PC performance tests - Benchmarks - 3DMark06 - Introduction
     
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    I'm not getting any stability in BF3 with the 12.7 Beta he listed, even on medium settings it takes a bit longer to lock up but after a 10-15 minutes it will lock up. My FPS on Ultra seem somewhat unstable as well, but stay above 60FPS for the most part.

    At this point I'm just enjoying gaming on one card while I wait for Dell/AMD to get their act together.
     
  11. Peter

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    Im sorry your first post on this great forum had to be what i was confirming..
    Well welcome to the forums!
     
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    i understand you dont like to bench but you cant say some thing is working for you when you dont have it and havent tested it..
    to date 15.5 has been the best driver for these cards imo
     
  14. Peter

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    Hey buddy here is 3dMark06 score,
    Score 26219

    Wht the, its 4.40AM now im still wide awake...well better off to bed now otherwise at work my boss will not like my drivers lalala
     
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    If you head to AMD's driver download section, and choose desktop graphics, 7000 series and get the BETA listed there - it is a 29June version. I clean installed it, and the 12.7 caps. Seems to be working good in BF3 and Max Payne 3, haven't tested others yet.
     
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    your on 12.6.. not 12.7
    on the left is my ccc and the right is your run..
    [​IMG]
     
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    Seems the desktop Catalyst 12.7 beta is working very decently for me.
     
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    hey mr fox is that with xfire enabled just to be clear..
     
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    What OSD is that Mr. Fox?
     
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    Yes. I never disable CrossFire. In fact, when I change all of the registry entries for EnableCrossFireAutoLink to a DWORD of "1" I cannot disable CrossFire. It switches back to being enabled automatically by itself.
    Isn't that awesome? I love it. See this thread for details how to set it up.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...mperatures-game-benchmark-screen-display.html

    You can use the new versions of HWiNFO64 and MSI Afterburner that have been released since I wrote the "how-to" tutorial.

    FYI - Afterburner's OSD does not work with native 64bit games/apps (i.e. 3DMark11 64bit) and it causes 3DMark06 to freeze with 7970M CrossFire and crashes with a DirectX error. So, kill Afterburner when running 3DMark06. (Those that have NVIDIA GPUs don't need to worry about 3DMark06 crashing or freezing with Afterburner OSD. That never happened to me with GTX 580M SLI.)
     
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    Thank you Mr. Fox!
     
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    ok peter you were right.. i reinstalled windows and the driver is working(but and a big but) my performance is not improved over any thing else ive tried..
    im assuming that fox was on his native overclock for his 06 run he posted..
    and for me i do not see an improved fps on 06 in xfire.. ill make a video of a run with 1 card and a run with xfire on.. fps is about the same..no real improvement..
    im going to test these drivers tho now that they are working and see what i come up with..
     
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    That's because the driver was not made to run the 7970m better, it's only compatible with it. look at the list of supported drivers the mobility 7900 or the 7970m is not even there. We'll have to hope the 12.7 WHQL will not just run the 7970m but run it the way it was meant to run, which looks promising since the beta 12.7 has the 7970m in the list of supported gpu.
     
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    Yes im on 12.6, which are so stable so far for me. Specially there are much improvement over games compare to 12.5 beta.
    [​IMG]

    @DumbDumb:
    Yeahh i know, that why ive advice you to do so. Ive really dont understand why you so worry about benchmarkin, fire some games to check result in real ground. I have seen a lots improvement over Crysis 2 and BF 3 so far.
     
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    wait so lol i get it they fixed it so we think xfire is running but in fact it on but not optimized?
     
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    ^ yeah it is^
     
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    it would be if tessellation was enabled, but ive got a question.. how EXACTLY did you score that... because at your setting and clocks i get nowear near that... but with a little fudging i can.. thing is tho i found that shaders need to be on low to get that score at your clocks.. so i am wondering how you pulled that off.. please be straight forward and explain in detail what you did to pull off that score at your clocks and supposed settings..
     
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    Gentlemen, please stop breaking forum rules by posting images larger than 500x500 pixels. Either use a thumbnail, attach them as a file or use a spoiler so one image doesn't hog the web page.

    If you want to resize the image preview, change [/IMG] and to [IMAGE=500] in front of the image URL and change the /IMG to /IMAGE at the end of the URL. To use a spoiler, add [/spoiler] at the end and [spoiler] at the beginning of what needs to be collapsed into the spoiler.

    Back on topic - The desktop 12.7 beta works better for me than Mobility 12.6. These cards have never overclocked well and they may never be stable overclockers like the GTX 580M and 6990M. I have a 6850 desktop card that work without issue at stock speeds and become totally unstable with a minor overclock. It's possible than AMD already has them clocked as high at their highest stable limit. Obviously, they are looking to compete with NVIDIA on performance and it would stand to reason that they might have already pushed them as far as they can go without issues. As always, there will be lucky and unlucky people that have GPUs that overclock better or worse than others. That's just how it goes.

    As far as drivers are concerned, I am having no issues whatsoever with desktop 12.7 beta working correctly with all games I have tested in the past two days at stock GPU clock speeds. I'm not done testing yet and I am not ready to declare victory, but improvement is undeniable with this driver. This is really the only driver that works "good" so far, so it might not be as optimized as well as it might be later. Are the benchmark scores higher? No, they are not. Does that mean there is something wrong with the cards or drivers? No, it does not. At this point I am just glad to see some stability. The only thing Dell/Alienware or AMD owes customers with this hardware is stability and proper functionality at stock clock speeds. Anything more than that will be a bonus freebie.

    DumbDumb - good point on tessellation being disabled.
     
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    I cannot even get the "AMD Mobility Radeon™ Driver Verification Tool" to work. It cannot detect my 7970m and tells me to contact the vendor. I am on a Clevo and I installed the AMD and Intel drivers that came with it. That includes switchable graphics. Under my display adapters it lists both. Any suggestions?
     
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    nono im cool with that.. if that is what it is.. now could you do his setting to the T and see what you get? ill post a run at his setting and show you what i get.. it just seems far fetch is all.. but if im wrong ..then im wrong.. thats all..

    well heck.. maybe the r2 just performs better than the r1 or im just having issues..lol

    guess ill have to by peter a beer for me being a d.i.c.k and jumping to conclusions..
     
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    Oh yes, I've run extreme tesselation before - and with a lot of overclocking have gotten over 80 FPS (but that was with the stable 12.5s, not sure how far 12.7 can go)

    In the meantime, here is 920GPU 1400Mem - Close to his results.

    BRB with extreme tess.
     
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    Dude, where's your shirt? ;)
     
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    haha now i feel like a dirt bag as i well deserve.. i dont get close to that..
     
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    Dangit! I want a matte finish screen for this laptop! BTW, no sexytime with that pic of me ;)

    Only thing changed is tesselation to extreme, 920/1400 still. Link

    Not shabby for stock voltage - I think I will have to flash the 1.1V again and see what I can get!

    EDIT: I actually score (89.1 fps avg.) higher by dropping my memory to 1300 (1250 is what the memory is rated for). Must be my memory isn't great at OCing.
     
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    OK, AMD GPUs have always struggled with tessellation turned on more than NVIDIA. So, in all of its ugly, pointy-cornered cannon ball 2D glory, here is my Heaven benchmark using 920/1400 GPU clocks, and the same run with tessellation set to "Normal" (whatever that means) and 2X anti-aliasing. (Basically, a 1000 point drop when the benchmark settings are cranked up enough to not look like it is being run on legacy hardware.) Eye candy always brings a hit against benchmark performance. If Heaven were a game instead of a benchmark, it would not matter. The frame rate with tessellation on and anti-aliasing is still much higher (4 or 5 times more) than necessary to be playable, and it looks way better with the eye candy turned on.

    Tessellation Off / No AA | Tessellation On / 2X AA
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    And, for good measure, " Extreme" Tessellation (eew, ahh) and no AA...
    [​IMG]
    (click images to enlarge in new window)

    I believe the small increase in scores with the M18x R2 may be attributable to the newer PCIe 3.0 with twice the available bandwidth than what the M18x R1 has.
     
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    I can't get 975MHz GPU OC to work, but I did a 950/1300 @1075V (not going to bother to find the absolute max) run without issue - only setting changed from default was extreme tesselation. Link
     
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    950/1350 IS WHAT IS STABLE ON MOST BENCHES with these cards.. any higher really seems to lock up..
     
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    Yehaaaaaa!!!
     
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    on your second run, can you do it again with stock clocks?
     
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    Hallo

    I play Diablo 3 Skyrim, Crysis 2, which is the better driver for these games?
    12.6 or 12.7?
     
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    So I just installed 12.6 WHQL today and I got a red screen of death. Just a blank red screen of death, wasn't even playing a game. Though I'm thinking it might be a conflict with the old files as I have 12.5 beta installed prior to installing 12.6 WHQL.
     
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    +rep Peter, thanks. In case anyone was using the Dell website drivers for the 7970m like I was, here is a pic of their CCC vs. the 12.6 WHQL.

    dellvs12.6 ccc.jpg

    Installed right over it and no problems. Even found that missing 50 points in 3DMark11.

    Dell 7970m:--------12.6 CCC:
    P5798 850x1200--P5848 850x1200
    X1802 850x1200--X1822 850x1200
    P6402 950x1450--P6416 950x1450
    X2015 950x1450--X2020 950x1450

    As I would of expected, it didn't give me anymore OC room than previous, my max stable clocks are still 974x1560. My card would need more voltage to go any higher.

    P6641 974x1560
    X2111 974x1560

    Nice to be off the Dell juice and back to WHQL goodness!
     
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    If it matters with everyone here, the desktop 7970s are having just as horrid luck with drivers when in Crossfire. o_o
     
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    The 7970M is not supported by 12.6 WHQL.
     
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    I'd have to re-flash my vBIOS back to stock and I'm not ready to do that right now because I'm testing some other things at the moment. It's not that much different. Also, I think I might have already posted that before. Did you already look here? http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...dge-cpu-heatsink-7970m-crossfire-upgrade.html

    My recommendation is to use 12.7 beta with CAP1 12.7. You can download both here. AMD Catalyst Desktop GPU Display Driver for Windows Vista/Windows 7 64-bit

    That's odd. The desktop 12.7 drivers are doing a very fine job for me with CrossFire. Admittedly, I was about to abandon hope of 7970M ever being viable and about to write these GPUs off as being a piece of trash. The good news is that it seems to be crappy drivers and not an actual hardware defect. AMD should have held off releasing any of their new hardware until they had decent drivers. It's inexcusable and seems to be prima facie evidence that (1) they didn't adequately test their product, and (2) they don't really care about quality, or customer experience. In their mad dash to capture market share, they may have shot themselves in the foot once again.

    http://3dmark.com/3dm06/16749831

    [​IMG]
     
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    A question about the Radeon 7970M and Catalyst 12.7 beta release.

    Is it possible to only just use the Catalyst 12.7 beta installer AMD has put up on their website, instead of combining it with the old installer from Clevo and Dell.

    I would hate mixing old drivers with new ones!

    Ive read over many forums that a lot of ppl installed the old drivers that came with their laptops for the 7970M card and then only chose the "driver" in the Catalyst 12.7 installer and removed the rest.

    I would like to have it all updated to the latest, is that possible, if i just choose the "express installation"?
     
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