*Confirmed* GTX 560 M for m18x and m17x in Summer

Yes Nvidia has confirmed for M18x and M17x - GTX 560M

"The GeForce GTX 560M is decidedly more powerful. The GeForce GTX 560M is outfitted with 192 CUDA cores and clocks in at 775MHz, with 1559MHz shaders, and 1250MHz of GDDR5 memory. The memory rides on a (up to) 192-bit bus, with peak bandwidth of up to 60GB/s."

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Good new for everyone who was waiting on m18x

EDIT 1: They have stated 50 FPS for Duke Nukem Forever and Witcher 2

 

Here we go fellas, 560m SLI in M18x and i know how i spend my summer)))

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How is this good news, the 6970CF will outperform this by a big enough margin. This will hardly perform any better than the 460m.

 

Well, first, because it's the only Nvidia Sli option available for Alienware systems and at least we have different options to choose from. Second, Beacause it'll perform less, therefore, less cost. Third, gtx 460m was a good overclocker and if Nvidia keeps this trend with gtx 560m together with awesome driver optimisation, the fans might opt for, precisely, this offer

 

There's a little hint there , check the first link under 2H 2011 it says Next-Gen GTX Thats what got me excited.

 

Not a rule with Nvidia, the 470M/480M cost more than the 6970M but the RED destroys both in performance.

 

pretty sure this crossfire will be the cheapest in mobile graphics... ever..

 

Haha! That right Bro.

 

Haha, try running CUDA on those reds

 

Guys Aikimox is right (and I AM a Nvidia fanboy)

Cuda and Phys ... sure great they have their places and bonuses .... but for gaming pure FPS and graphics intensity ... the 6970s are going to chew the 560m into the ground. there will be no comparison.

I might still get the 560m, I would like to see some tests in SLI first, but... the 6970s will still be the best cards on the m18x by far.

Thats just reality.

 

Looks like it will be 3D capable as well. Then we would just need an in system 3D capable screen.

I would like to have 3D, but not if I have to give up a bunch of performance to get it.

 

Yes that does sound exciting though, the 485m was way too expensive thus companies(like Dell) decided not too offer it(seems like the only reason). If the new GTX580m or 570m perform better than 6970m and cost same(or hopefully less) then it will be a good option. CUDA and PhysX are good enough reasons to convince me to get NVIDIA, but not until they have good cards available as options.
As far as those expecting prices of Alienware laptops to go down just cause the 560m is cheaper than 460m, then i highly doubt it will happen. It is more likely that profits will go up. The 560m will simply replace the 460m as a option. The price of Sager laptops(which offer the 560m as base) did not go down from when they offered the 460m.

 

If you absolutely need CUDA in a gaming card

 

I just got a lot more interested in the m18x. I want my next big Alienware to utilize Nvidia GPUs.

Listen, I understand not all of you are thrilled by this news, but please respect that some people are excited about better Nvidia cards, however much weaker than the 6970m's they may be, some of us are happy.

 

Oh I am too Saosin, but I am just making sure we keep it real. I don't want people spouting off information/opinion that has no basis on fact or reality and then having someone who doesn't know any better being confused.

I just wish someone would absolutely confirm that "next Gen GTX" will be compatible with the m18x ... I would think/hope so ... but you never know until its locked down. If I knew for sure I would jump on the 560s and upgrade when the next card comes out ... I probably will anyway

 

Yes because I want to do both with ONE machine, why should i buy another system/card to replace everytime I need either of them (gaming /work)?

 

what do you use cuda for?

 

Pay some of my bills!

 

finally someone noticed it!

my speculation is something completely different not 500M series for sure otherwise it would had come out along with 560M and I love how it says "Next-Gen GTX" . No matter how powerful AMD is more games are compatible with Nvidia , they have a monopoly going on AMD needs to step up their game, they have amazing hardware why not push it a little more?

 

Totally understand. In that case, I'd probably go with the Greens

 

Hopefully gpu "summer" starts in 2 days and not at the end of June

 

Just got pricing for the 560M's for our Clevo's. 460M=560M. Hopefully Dell doesn't charge any extra for the new cards.

 

haha, yep man i have a GTX580 on my rig, and i don't even know what is cuda for.lol cuda core

 

Imo everyone is underestimating the 560Ms.

 

That's good news, thanks Aikimox.

 

If the 560m's release next month I may seriously sell my R2 and hop on the m18x bandwagon. I was looking for an upgraded Nvidia option, and to be honest, I don't need bleeding edge graphics performance to be satisfied. I'm pretty much satisfied with the 5870's on my R2 as it is. If Dell pulls one out of a hat and offers an RGB or similar display, then it's a nobrainer.

Here we go again with monstrously difficult decisions. This is a testament to how awesome Alienware systems are, I'm literally mentally gridlocked with what I want to do, because the R2 is maximum awesomeness, and the m18x is awesomeness ^2.

 

Hey, calm down!

Maybe this will help. You are happy now with your R2 so go with that until upgrading is obviously the right choice for you.

dt

 

I dont think the 560m sli will perform much better than 5870m crosifre, why would you want to upgrade to loose the RGBLED anyway?? Unless you really want NVIDIA. I would really wait for a better NVIDIA option(like the 485m successor), I am waiting until a better option emerges and i'll sell my R3 to get the m18x.

 

IMO options should be like
M17 portability and 3D : 560M , 485M
M18 full power : x1 6970 , x2 560 ,x2 6970

x2 485M for M18 compared to x2 6970 price/performace...not sure

M17 as more 3D focused and no SLI/Crossfire I see no reason for 6970 , 485M for it seems like a better option.

 

I'd love to see 2x 485m's. I just don't think it'll ever happen. It would be a tough pill to lose the RGB, but I've been waiting for a solid Nvidia option for a while now. The 460's are just too old of tech for me to happily switch to.

I most likely won't make another move to my laptop lineup until early Fall at the earliest, I'm just very curious as to what's around the corner.

 

Yeah even i dont see 485m SLi, considering it may be a 1000$ upgrade over the 460ms, but i think there is a possibility of 570m/580m SLi. That would be really interesting.

 

pc mag article on the 560: Nvidia GeForce GTX 560M Not Just for Gaming | PCWorld Business Center

 

I find it quite amusing that people still think a GTX will perform well in CAD/CAM/Professional applications just because it has a high CUDA count.

protip: it's all in the drivers, and NVIDIA will not provide proper driver support to non Tesla/Quadro models. This card will probably address the issue of HD Graphics 3000 being more powerful than GTX 460M in Autodesk applications, but I doubt by much.
edit: Also, for non-gaming, most products will not recognize an optimus enabled gpu as anything other than what it's being routed through - intel graphics (thus disabling most hardware acceleration)....this is why the new precision models come with bios options to turn off optimus capabilities.

As for gaming, I'd take dual 6970 anyday. Maybe "the way it's meant to be played" will shine through with this GPU on enough titles though. Who knows!
In any case, this will hopefully be a nice step up from 460s

 

yet if they desire any basic capability for 3D, physx, or cuda in their system, then the 560M (and eventually perhaps 580M) configuration in either M17x or M18x is the only viable option...

 

define basic compatibility

3d: you're 100% correct
CUDA: 6970 runs circles around gtx 460 (again, driver support is probably the only reason for this).....directcompute..... and intel's sandy bridge solution decimates CUDA in transcoding.... I don't know what point you are trying to make here.

my point was directed at the comments/articles touting the potential for professional applications, and on that front I will be shocked (and will eat my words) if the GTX 560M does much more than slightly beat out HD Graphics 3000. The sad thing is, all NVIDIA needs to do is add some extra functionality to the drivers to annihilate intel/amd (non firepro) in situations such as Autodesk programs --- yet they refuse to do so.

Their marketing tactics are well planned. Again, in the field of Autodesk programs, nvidia has gone as far as to ensure integration of their iray renderer as an "enhancement" to mray; supposedly only useable with nvidia CUDA enabled GPUs (100% false).

As someone who has owned both, and again - in the world of professional graphics applications - I have made no better choice than to trade in my - let me be clear - NON-QUADRO system for an equivalent AMD system.

If you want all of that "basic" functionality, just go with team red; their brute force approach seems to come out on top time and time again.

TLDR: Citing useage diversity as reason to purchase a green gpu is not a good idea. intel (sandy bridge) currently beats nvidia in all non-gaming aspects. AMD decimates nvidia in some non-gaming aspects.
If you're talking gaming...different story, but the gtx 560 is not set to compete with 6970 anyway.

 

Thank you for breaking down all the FUD and marketing lines people like to spout

Until a 485M or higher solution emerges, 6970M is where I'm going to go for notebook gaming power. If i really want to do optimal CUDA, i'm looking at a desktop 580 or higher for it

 

So this is slower than my crossfire 6970's? Let me know when something faster comes out that I can upgrade to.

 

^ It is definitely slower. The only thing that comes close to 6970CF is 485m SLi which is anywhere from dead even to ~1-5% max. Not worth the probably double price of 6970CF for roughly equivalent performance, unless you just love Nvidia.

 

When are the next generation mobile ATI cards coming?

 

2012

I really want to grab a M18x but I am willing to wait for an upgrade from ATI.

Wont settle for XF6970s. Not a huge enough bump up from my XF5870s to warrant a whole new system imo

 

Grab one before the world ends

On topic you definitely should not upgrade from XF5870's to XF6970 its not worth it but from all the rumors and stuff I know 6990M's are on the way and they are powerful . You don't have to believe me but they are indeed on the way.

 

Which one is better 580/585 sli or 6990 crossfire?

 

those are speculated but if you would take my guess 6990 would slay 580/585 but again I am no expert but I base my judgement upon the past graphic cards that have been out.

 

256 bit ggdr5, 384 GF114 should beat the 6990 1120 shaders single or sli. im not sure what nvidia is cooking up though.

 

Both are 256-bit GDDR5, the GTX 485M already has 384 SP's and barely beats the 960 SP 6970M. A 1120 SP 6990 should beat a higher clocked 485M which is basically what a 580M would be.

That being said, it's all speculation, since neither the 6990 or the 580 are confirmed

 

Its odd to me that when I just chatted with an Online Alienware Dell Rep, he seemed to be leaning toward the Nvidia GTX 560M SLI over the 6970 Crossfire. If all these posts indicate that the 6970 Crossfire will still outperform the 560, than why would he recommend that? Compatibility?

 

Probably for physx and driver reasons?

 

Because sales people have no clue? Honestly, most of the reps have no idea what they're talking about

 

Simply because the green will cost you a heck of alot more.....end of story! - thats why he recommended it - he's a sales guy at the end of the day!

 

I felt online reps didn't want to chat about 560M when I asked about it. they go like we have 460M or 6970. They better get in it soon , since competition already got laptops with 560M in stock at retailers